Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Cloud668/UBX/Waifu

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. No consensus to delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Cloud668/UBX/Waifu[edit]

I have to say, this is more than a little creepy. In otaku communities, "waifu" is generally used to describe a woman who the speaker is romantically or sexually attracted to. Of course, that is not the only problem here. One of this userbox's examples contains Wikipe-tan. Since Wikipe-tan is below the age of consent, one could argue that this userbox promotes paedophilia. Such concerns have led to deletions in the past. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 02:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wikipedia is not a dating site or a repository for inappropriate user-boxes. Java Hurricane 02:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't really mind one way or another since I'm not active on here anymore and this was only made on a whim as a one-off joke years ago during a discussion on WT:ANIME regarding the term "waifu" (funnily enough, i think it was an AfD or something). The UBX does allow changing the displayed character name and Wikipe-tan was merely used as the default since at the time it somehow felt wrong to me as a programmer to display {{{1}}} when nothing is specified. However, I do not believe the word "waifu" has any sexual implications, and I am not aware that Wikipe-tan has a specified age. -- クラウド６６８ 02:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cloud668, "waifu" is the Japanese pronunciation of the English word "wife" isn't it? Wikipe-tan is a child as you can see if you look at the gallery on Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan. Kasuga~enwiki drew adult versions of Wikipe-tan as well. I also took her as not having a clear age and simply being kawaii, which is fine for her role as a Wikipedia mascot, but once you cross over into "waifu" that may be too far - into lolicon territory. Maybe you could change the default to something else? I'm not going to vote for a deletion but I can see the objection here. —DIYeditor (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind removing the default (or if this just gets deleted outright, really), though that leaves the problem of the documentation needing another example (unless we agree that Wikipede is sufficient). -- クラウド６６８ 04:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and replaced the documentation example with only Wikipede for now (which I guess isn't going to be quite as offensive). Unlike I previously stated, it appears there is no default given in the template, which shows how much I've forgotten about this. I really don't mind if this gets deleted as I am inactive and this was originally only intended as a joke (on a broader previous WT:ANIME discussion), so I think it will only be right to notify active users who have this transcluded. -- クラウド６６８ 19:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not convinced of a problem. The alleged problem appears to be guilt by association. I oppose deletion of the userbox unless every user transcluding it is notified. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The usual representation of Wikipe-tan is a kawaii child of uncertain age, but probably about ten. There are, as noted, also adult Wikipe-tans. The version in United States Navy uniform is a commander (O-5), probably in her late thirties. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Strong delete~~ - Hell no. The last thing we need is any sort of implication regarding Wikipe-tan. Even if it's intended in an innocuous fashion, it still invites nauseating behavior from other users. At the very least, the example needs to be amended or even just done away with.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 11:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to neutral in light of changes made to the template examples.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 23:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason for deletion. If the template does not violate policy (which it does not) then personal feelings should be disgarded. that being said... nobody is forcing people to type in "Wikipe-tan" as an option. Do we have any other userboxes where the editor has the option to put in any example they want? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment waifu and husbando need to point to the glossary and not Moe (slang). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Knowledgekid87. With the change in the docs, there is no longer any implication in regard to Wikipe-tan. In any case that was only an example in the doc, and never displayed as part of the template. I agree with AngusWOOF that waifu and husbando, need to point somewhere that actually defines or explains those terms, but that is not a matter for an MfD., Still, which glossary did you have in mind? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The terms waifu and husband now point to glossary of anime and manga#waifu. The previous Moe (slang) link was where the term previously redirected to back in 2012 when the userbox was created. -- クラウド６６８ 03:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - yeah, I find the whole waifu thing kind of embarrassing and I guess mildly creepy, but some people are into it and I don't think it's necessarily problematic. A quick spot-check of transclusions shows that people are indeed using it about their anime crushes or Wikipe-tan (likewise kind of embarrassing and mildly creepy). Not seeing a big problem, though. It's even in userspace rather than templatespace. (As an aside, I'd like to get all Wikipe-tan stuff out of projectspace, but that's a separate matter). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RE: "like to get all Wikipe-tan stuff out of projectspace". The same can be said for political userboxes, and from there a whole lot of other things not ostensibly related to the project. However, I do often people peoples' collections of userboxen to be a useful form of declaration of COI, broadening into a declaration of things that correlate with suitability to be editing certain subject areas. For example, people with a userpage full of fanfiction stuff need to be watched more carefully on science articles; people claiming university affiliations less so. People with userpages full of natural therapies need to be watched on health and medicine pages. On balance, I think they help more than they hurt. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

? You responded to my comment about projectspace but listed a bunch of things that aren't in projectspace. I supported keeping this template (and probably would have it it were in templatespace, too -- being in userspace just makes it all that much easier to keep). Templates that specifically refer to "this user", intended for user pages, are unrelated to projectspace pages like e.g. Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan, presenting "an unofficial mascot of Wikipedia," and the various WikiProjects, etc. that use Wikipe-tan. That's what I'm talking about. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.