Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Bear Grizzly

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The result was merge‎ to Big Bear Lake, California. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Big Bear Grizzly[edit]

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism, News media, United States of America, and California. UtherSRG (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Big Bear Lake, California. This paper dates back to 1941, and is clearly the newspaper of record for the city. IAR, I do not like deleting such articles, since we are likely to cite them in coverage of topics relating to the city. That said, I really struggled to find sources. There is a paragraph on the newspaper's name and basic details in this book on newspaper names, but that's not quite WP:SIGCOV. There is coverage of ownership change here, but it only mentions the newspaper once as part of a group, so that doesn't count either. This 1978 article (continued here) talks about someone being allegedly fired because of the newspaper's reporting, but there's nothing we'd use it for in the article per WP:NOTNEWS, so it seems like it'd be cheating a bit to try to use it for notability. There is almost surely significant coverage in Big Bear: Bearly Remembered, a 319-page history of the city, but I haven't been able to access it (offline sources count, if they can be proved to exist). The best bet for saving this would be to get access to that book, and to hope it leads to a second source somewhere.
Taking stock of all that, what we have is a topic that's notable in the generic, non-jargon sense, but where the sourcing doesn't quite add up to Wikipedia notability — yet, from what we can access online. The paper also clearly deserves coverage in the city's article (not mentioned there currently, but it's standard practice to cover news organizations in city articles; also keep in mind that, with a population of 5,000 people, the due bar is not high). These factors make it very ripe for merging as an ATD. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found three sources that provide information on this newspaper and added two of them to the article. See talk page. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those look like unreliable database entries to me. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Agree with Sdkb's asessment above. Totnes Times was another recent similar merge. Willing to change to keep if SIGCOV is found. —siro χ o 23:15, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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