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01 May 2024[edit]

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

I feel that technical evidence may not definitively prove the connection due to the sophistication of our serial socks, so it's important to evaluate this case based on behavioral evidence.

BeauSuzanne's pattern of creating BLPs on non-notable Pakistani actors first in draft namespace and subsequently moving them fraudulently to the main namespace mirrors the behavior of Qwef1234 (talk · contribs) - See BeauSuzanne's moves and Qwef1234's moves. It's not merely coincidental that both exhibit similar behavioral patterns and focus on the same area of interest.

When I began scrutinizing BLPs created by BeauSuzanne and initiated an ANI report, BeauSuzanne remained composed and engaged in discussions. However, upon raising suspicions about BeauSuzanne potentially being a sock of Nauman335, BeauSuzanne promptly lodged a complaint against me here. While it's uncertain whether BeauSuzanne is indeed connected to Nauman335, I believe it's prudent to file this report with the available evidence at hand. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 19:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Looking at this closer based on a message left on my talk page. Editor interaction tool shows hundreds of pages that have been cross-edited which by itself is not conclusive but does raise a flag. Some of the pages there are edits within minutes (or even seconds) of each other. What does stand out is how quickly these accounts edit on new page creations.

For instance, BeauSuzanne creates the page Inayat Khan (actor) and within less than an hour, Qwef1234 comes along and adds an image, with BeauSuzanne continue to edit minutes after. Another is Seema (Pakistani film) which was created by Qweff1234 and then edited by BeauSuzanne on the same day. It raises questions as to how both accounts know these pages exist so quickly. I originally thought it could be from placing the pages into a WikiProject category but looking at Seema, the talk page was not tagged with a project until 7 days after both accounts edited. Here are some additional examples. Note there are dozens more but I am not going to take 4 hours to list them all out:

  • Din (TV series), created by BeauSuzanne on December 5, 2023 with their last edit at 16:29, Qwef1234 comes and edits 31 minutes later.
  • Nabeela (actress), created by BeauSuzanne on March 28, 2023 with their last edit at 14:13, Qwef1234 comes along at 14:50 and starts editing.
  • Jamila Razzaq, created by BeauSuzanne on April 16, 2023 (late night) with last edit early morning of April 17th, Qwef1234 comes along less than two hours later and edits.
  • Raza Mir, although created by BeauSuzanne in 2022, the back and forth editing comes from both accounts starting in February 2023 and continues through April.
  • Chann Mahi, a page that has existed since 2007 with very few edits. Edited by both Beau Suzanne and Qweef1234 within 2 hours of each other on February 8, 2023.

Another thing that stands out is other socks reaching out on the talk pages of both BeauSuzanne and Qwef1234. An example is this for BeauSuzanne and this for Qwef1234. I have seen this with other film-related socks who do this in order to make it seem like they are helping well intentioned editors. Again, not conclusive, but raises flags. I also would not be surprised if BeauSuzanne is socking or MEAT with such an experienced account. Note that Qwef1234 had 7,500 edits and was three years old. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BOLDly adding new account Wryeb, created 28 April, recreated Khaie at Khaie (2024 Pakistani TV series), Zard Patton Ka Bunn, and Gentleman (Pakistani TV series) at Draft:Gentleman (2024 Pakistani TV series), all previously created by blocked socks of master. Wikishovel (talk) 11:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikishovel: Good catch! @Wryeb was created shortly after I objected the questionable editing behavior of @BeauSuzanne. I also began to wonder why @BeauSuzanne hasn't been as active since I caught them. Now, it's clear they've been busy under this new account @Wryeb. It's no coincidence that @Wryeb - a newbie is energetically editing in the same domain, specifically moving pages from draft to main space, mirroring @BeauSuzanne's past actions. Certainly them.--—Saqib (talk | contribs) 12:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this - spotted Wryeb last night and didn't have the time then. Ravensfire (talk) 12:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yamla fyi. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 12:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's something here with Nauman socks and Green Entertainment related articles. The history of Green Entertainment [1] has multiple Nauman socks editing it and various shows broadcast there. See Kabuli Pulao, 22 Qadam, Draft:Wonderland (Pakistani TV series), Draft:Ek Jhoothi Love Story and that's from a minute or two. The 182.182/17 range is active on those stories as well. Nauman is a relentless sock, and seems to use accounts only when needed for creating articles. So using IP's is in character. In their defense, the conversations on Admin Review and [[]] feel different than longish conversations with known Nauman socks (User_talk:TomStar81#Undo_Request_for_Deletion and Talk:Ishq_Murshid). The pushing by the IP feels makes this feel like WP:UPE at a minimum, and probably a larger, multi-person sock farm that's tied to Green Entertainment. Ravensfire (talk) 15:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree. Nauman socks tend to edit Green Entertainment but I have also found them in the Geo Entertainment realm as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • BeauSuzanne is Red X Unrelated to Nauman335 or to Wryeb. I'm not fundamentally ruling out future checkuser findings changing this, but at this time, no relation. However, Wryeb is  Confirmed to Nauman335. I'll tag and block. --Yamla (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's nothing further to do here that has not already been scrutinized. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 16:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10 May 2024[edit]

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Very similar editor focus and similar attitude. Creator of a huge number of articles edited by other sock accounts. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Highly probable. They've all been involved in editing BLPs of Pakistani actors that don't meet WP:N. Libraa's recent sudden appearance on WP:AN against me isn't just a coincidence. It's quite telling how they all band together when one of their fellas' articles faces deletion. Here's something interesting. Both Libraa2019 and Metamentalist have been active on WP since 2019 and last year, respectively, but they've never participated in AfDs until recently when I nominated pages of @ BeauSuzanne for deletion recently. It seems pretty clear they're all part of the same group. BUT I doubt a CheckUser result will reveal much, as they're probably using different proxies or networks—I'm not well-versed in these technical matters. Possible, they could be meatpuppets.—Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not connected to anyone. I edited Shuja Asad since few months and it was on my watchlist therefore i voted Keep on AFD. If i would have connection with someone, i would have voted Keep to all of the articles created by BeauSuzanne but that is not the case. I created Parhlo, Danial Afzal Khan but did'nt voted Keep here [2], [3] because i respect others perspective. Secondly my appearance at WP:AN was not a sudden, it was a response of [4], its naturally, at wikipidea one can see others contribution just like u saw mine and tagged Qudsia Ali, Agha Mustafa Hassan etc. But if i have done something wrong then i am guilty and will avoid such things in future. One thing i would like to clarify is that i respect seniors perspective therefore i have not removed any of the tags you have added to my creations neither i voted keep to all of my creations. I will wait for senior editors participation just like one removed that tag here [5] Libraa2019 (talk) 06:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Libraa2019, Both Libraa2019 and BeauSuzanne also exhibit a similar editing style, particularly at AfD discussions. A quick look at their language reveals identical rationales for keeping pages. Moreover, I recently observed Libraa2019 removing some previously added WP:OR using a placeholder reference, a tactic we've seen before with BeauSuzanne. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • First I will apologozie for late reply. I was taking a break and I was not active yesterday. Second I don't have any connection also I don't know anyone here and I am also not a paid contributor. Our styles maybe similiar but I don't know Libraa2019 and it's normal anyone can edit on any pages. Yes I have done edits on pages that were also done by Qwef1234 but I don't have connection with Qwef1234. I have previously mentioned also that I don't have any connection with anyone. Yes it's true, I started by making articles in draft section because I was learning stuff like info box and sections also how to add references then once I learned it properly then I moved to the mainspace.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
BeauSuzanne, No please, there is alot of difference between editing of yours and mine. I dont think there is a similarity. You add much of an unsourced material to articles and create articles just because a person exist or have done a minor role whereas i research and only create article if a person/project is actually meeting criteria. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Libraa1234. Yes there is a big difference between my work and your work. I also do my research before making articles. Saqib talked about similarity between our articles so that's why I mentioned maybe. Don't worry I am not blaming anyone or you. It's my own work which I create. Sorry for misunderstanding and I apologize to Libraa1234.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 17:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • Libraa2019 is  Unlikely in my opinion. Unsurprisingly the same geographic region, but different subnetworks and devices. Metamentalist has been listed here multiple times without a finding so I did not check them, and they did not show up in the checks I did do. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10 May 2024[edit]

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

This range was previously editing articles of sock farm, now participating in AfDs. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While ths second IP range has just appeared and is editing the same articles (Pakistani TV shows) that were previously edited by sock farms. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

11 May 2024[edit]

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Both are the @Informers321 and @ChUzairAhmad are SPAs, editing drafts on Pakistani actors/singers. Smells like UPEs to me, because there are a lot of UPEs working in this area. Compare this edit of @Informers321 with this edit of @ChUzairAhmad. As soon as I nominated @Informers321's creation Komail Anam for deletion, this @Thehasanansari account appeared, and they seem to have experience working on WP. Komail Anam was made a redirect by Qwef1234 (talk · contribs), a sock of master account. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • All  Unlikely in my opinion. Same geographical area but that is expected, otherwise no technical similarities to Nauman335. Informers321 and ChUzairAhmad are maybe  Possible to each other but just barely, and there is a lack of data. Rather than leave this open to languish in the "checked" queue I am going to close, and if more evidence comes up for those two then I suggest filing as a new case. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19 May 2024[edit]

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

User Zoramid created on May 14, 2024. redirects Draft:Akhara (TV series) to newly created page Akhara (series) (now moved to Draft:Akhara (series)). Creation under a different disambiguation to avoid detection and attempt to earse history of the draft which is the work of Nauman335 socks and LOUTSOCKing. Note their edits are related to pages associated with Green Entertainment which is the main editing area of these socks. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC) CNMall41 (talk) 06:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subject is also asking for edits on the talk page of Danish Taimoor, a page that has been rampant with socks from several different sock farms. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CNMall41, In retaliation, now they're moving BLPs that I created to draft namespace such as Draft:Afshan Hassan (clearly passes NPOL). —Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • Indeffed for DE as an interim to stop the current disruption. This definitely needs clerk/CU eyes given the spread to / intersection with other farms. Star Mississippi 12:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Confirmed along with a few others which were already blocked. I didn't see any unblocked sleepers. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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