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Populated account categories: confirmed

29 April 2024[edit]

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

This appears to be someone from this sock farm. The account was created a month after the previous accounts were blocked, and they are editing in the same area, specifically focusing on Indian television actors. Their first three edits were made to Manan Joshi, which were created by previous socks. Their eleventh edit was to convert (diff) Bhumika Gurung (a redirect) to an article for which their previous sock, Commonedits, requested a refund (diff). While converting the redirect to an article, Amma&Papa stated in the edit summary that "Actress with multiple lead roles passing WP:NACTOR," which sounds similar to the argument made by Commonedits in their refund request. Subsequently, A&P filed a deletion review request (diff) for Priyanka Choudhary. A similar request was earlier filed by Commonedits (diff). It's surprising that being a new user with just under 40 edits, A&P was already familiar with the policies DRV process.

Their edit summaries and arguments for creating new articles closely resemble those of previous socks, often citing WP:NACTOR criteria, such as "passes WP:NACTOR with multiple significant roles" or "actress satisfies WP:NACTOR." Moreover, they have a similar habit of using emojis in their replies before signing.

Amma&Papa has been consistently creating perfectly formatted articles since their first creation, which is unusual and suggests they have prior knowledge of the policies and guidelines. When questioned, A&P claimed to be taught by their friends (diff). A&P stated that they are five friends who "work" together on Wikipedia, but the rest of their friends edit anonymously (diff). Initially, A&P claimed to have met during a conference at Delhi University and all being University students in Delhi. However, later changed their statement to "I hardly meet them; we study in different universities," which raises suspicion (see their talk page for more).

On November 8, 2023, an article created by A&P was nominated for deletion. Just three hours after the nomination, 117.202.229.102 appeared to add their comment (diff). The comment indicates they are not new and have a good knowledge of the policies. Shortly afterward, they voted to keep (diff). A day after, 202.41.10.106 appeared and also voted to keep (diff).

On November 9, 2023, 117.209.199.111 created their talk page and started pinging users to vote at the AfD (diff) and were warned by the nominator (Star Mississippi).

When questioned about whether these IPs belong to them or their friends, A&P denied having any knowledge of it. However, there are enough similarities to suggest these IPs were used by A&P. If true, A&P is possibly misleading other users with their identity because the geolocation of these IPs and a claim made by A&P don't match.

Amma@Papa and 117.249.163.170 have a unique way of pinging other users, for example, @[[ping|Username]] (diff, diff) and also used another method, @[[User:Example|Example]]. They both made exactly the same edit while shifting from using @[[ping|Username]] to @[[User:Example|Example]] please see this by anon and this by Amma@Papa.

The use of the term Sir/Ma'am (A&P and 117.249.251.26) and a monochrome emoji (☺️) before their signature are shared by both (A&P and 117.209.199.111)

Finally, a similar way of apologizing and promising not to repeat, e.g., "I promise I will not repeat" ('diff) vs. "I promise, myself and my other editor friends,..." (diff) was observed, indicating a pattern consistent with their previous sock, Commonedits.

Commonedits in their first edit claimed that 61.3.228.240 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) belongs to them. If true, all the IP addresses share the same ISP and geolocation, further confirming a connection between all these accounts. GSS 💬 15:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In their response below, Amma@Papa stated their use of 202.41.10.106. Upon closer review, I noticed that they used this IP address to remove the {{upe}} template from an article they created (diff), which is a clear violation and abuse of editing while logged out. Furthermore, I'd like to highlight another notable similarity between A&P's commenting style and that of the IP 117.249.163.170: both of them employ the same method of structuring their comments, utilizing indentation to organize their contributions within the discussions (see this by A&P and this by 117). This clearly shows that these IP addresses were abused by them at multiple stages. GSS 💬 19:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi and DMacks: 117.209.242.154 didn't make too many edits, but whatever they have contributed, they've spilled enough beans to believe they are A&P. Did you notice the way they communicate with the same addressing of 'Sir/Ma'am' and then advocate for the deletion of Priyanka Choudhary by objecting to the existence of Isha Malviya and Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia articles (diff, diff)? Well, this is exactly what A&P was doing at DRV (diff, diff). GSS 💬 04:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

My IP address does start with 117 but even Drishti and Saumya's IPs (The editors about whom I had mentioned here [1]. start with 117). This is mainly because myself, Drishti and Saumya are south indians. I'm originally from Kerala while Drishti and Saumya are from Chennai, Tamil Nadu. Moreover, many editors from Kerala and Chennai share the same IP which doesn't mean we are all WP:SOCKs.

Secondly, my style of addressing passes WP:NACTOR was taught to me by Parul again whom I mentioned in my talk page. Does that mean whoever addresses in the same way is a sockpuppet?
Moreover, I just checked Commonedits block history in that editor's talk page. That editor seems to have a whole history of personal attacking. Have I or any of my friends Drishti, Parul, Saumya and Bulbul ever personally attacked anyone?
I had used IP 202.41.10.106 in Adrija Roy's deletion nomination page because at that time, I had come to Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi. I do come to Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi once in a while for research purposes.Amma&Papa (talk) 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As previously mentioned, there appear to be inconsistencies in your statements. Earlier, you indicated limited interaction with "your friends" or co-editors, citing different universities. Yet, you now assert knowledge of their IP addresses, raising questions regarding the extent of your interactions. I agree with you on the part that using the same IP isn't necessarily a violation, abusing it and pretending to be someone else constitutes a violation of editing while logged out and there are enough similarities and multiple reasons to believe these IP addresses were abused by you. Additionally, you mentioned the use of IP address 202.41.10.106, which I had overlooked. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. GSS 💬 19:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS, I have never abused my rights as an editor while logged out by using my IP address. Yes I have edited several times being logged out in the past but that's mainly because I didn't know how things really worked in Wikipedia.Amma&Papa (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that I have more experience and knowledge on Wikipedia. I edit being logged in. I repeat I have never abused editing Wikipedia using my IP address being logged out.Amma&Papa (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And it would be really wrong if I am denied to edit when I have done nothing wrong against any other editor or any Wikipedian policies.Amma&Papa (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DMacks The IP 117 who has previously created Draft: Radhika Muthukumar was editor Drishti. Infact, she was the one who sent me the draft for recreating Muthukumar's article. But I didn't have access so I created it in the Draft space. Although, I edited the information a bit, most of the details in the Draft of Muthukumar was contributed by Drishti.Amma&Papa (talk) 06:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi The one who wrote in your talk page should be again Drishti. She is a great fan of Priyanka Choudhary. That doesn't mean I am not even I love Priyanka and am a fan of her which is why I recreated the page with Drishti's help, but from the article of Neha Harsora I was the one who was contributing majorly in Wikipedia. The other have taken a hiatus (which is what I was informed but I'm not sure if they are still editing Wikipedia).Amma&Papa (talk) 06:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS If you look at my entry of Priyanka Choudhary's case in the DRV, the latest one which was just a few weeks ago, you can clearly discover that I clearly had a bad experience in entering the case. Please check the diffs over there as I don't know how to share diffs. Even here in this page I am having lots and lots of difficulties just to add my defence which clearly indicates my inexperience in editing Wikipedia. I have never abused my Wikipedia rights neither as the account holder of Amma&Papa nor as the IP 117.Amma&Papa (talk) 06:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS One more thing, I do have the information that Drishti and Saumya's IPs start with 117 too because at the beginning of our edit projects in Wikipedia, I gelled along with them more because of our common background of South India and they were the ones who tutored me how to edit in Wikipedia so from seeing their edits and their edit history I got to know that their IPs too start with 117. But other than them and me, there are many others who have IPs starting with 117 which shows that the ones who abused editing rights in Wikipedia could be someone else too.Amma&Papa (talk) 06:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned earlier, while it is possible for multiple people to share the same IP address, it is uncommon for all of them to exhibit the exact editing behavior as described above. You have violated the policies by removing the 'upe' tag from a page you created, voting in AfDs using multiple IPs within the same range, convincing other users to vote in the AfD, and most significantly, impersonating someone else while not logged in, most recently at the end of March. GSS 💬 06:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the 'upe' tag because we really weren't paid for creating Adrija Roy's article. Secondly, I hadn't voted twice in Roy's deletion nomination page because only the IP 202 was me. The IP 117 should be either Drishti or Saumya and we have the same editing behaviour because I learnt all my editing skills from them and copy pasted the same words and points several times which they have used in their edits. Finally, I wasn't the one who tried canvassing the other editors to vote for 'keep' but even if it was Drishti or Saumya, I believe they have wholeheartedly apologized for the same and didn't repeat the same thing after being warned by User:Star Mississippi. So, I am supposed to be blocked even when I didn't commit any mistake? Amma&Papa (talk) 07:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea who Drishti or Saumya are. But now it sounds like WP:PROXY or WP:MEAT, depending on the circumstances of those accounts. DMacks (talk) 09:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DMacks Honestly, I have no idea about the edit history of my editor friends Drishti, Saumya, Parul and Bulbul. But whatever edits I have made till now, I have done with full dignity. Amma&Papa (talk) 10:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't there a way out? Amma&Papa (talk) 10:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

Noting for evidence that Amma&Papa recreated Draft:Radhika Muthukumar in nearly identical form at the wikisource level. That article was previously infested with several other SPI pools. Just prior to its deletion, it was edited by 117.209.181.62. That named account also has an unusual fascination with Priyanka Choudhary, which is a veritable dryer-full of socks. DMacks (talk) 03:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a chance to dig into this right now, but there's also User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Priyanka_Choudhary if helpful. Star Mississippi 03:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on historical data, Amma&Papa is editing from the same range as Commonedits.  Blocked and tagged based on the CU data in conjunction with the behavioural evidence. no No comment with respect to IP address(es). Spicy (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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