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Category:Hungarian communities in Slovakia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Municipalities in Slovakia where Hungarian is an official language. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:46, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: At Category talk:Hungarian communities in Slovakia#Scope, Vipz, MirkoS18 and I discussed the issues with the current name, which I would summarise as WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, WP:ARBITRARYCAT, WP:NONDEFINING, and WP:UNDUE. We agree that the category should exist, but require a clearer, less arbitrary and more objective definition that gives due weight to significant Hungarian minority communities in Slovakia. In particular, we sought a fixed threshold which a Hungarian linguistic minority per fixed administrative division would have to meet in order to merit categorisation.
The Minority Language Law of Slovakia (officially Act on the Use of Languages of National Minorities, or Act No. 184/1999) seems to provide exactly that objective fixed threshold at 15% per municipality. It stipulates that municipalities where at least 15% of the population in two consecutive censuses speak the same minority language, have the right to use their minority language in official communications with local authorities, who are required to respond in that minority language. The Government of Slovakia publishes official lists of municipalities which have met this threshold, which gives us an objective, criteria-based, defining and due database to populate this category with. (It can also easily be verified with open source census data per WP:CALC, which I have already done for all municipalities with the status of "town" (mesto) at Hungarians in Slovakia#Towns with large Hungarian populations (2001–2021 census)).
Per WP:C2B, I propose to name this Municipalities in Slovakia where Hungarian is an official language, by analogy with the established naming conventions of List of countries and territories where English is an official language, List of countries and territories where German is an official language, List of countries and territories where French is an official language etc. Similar rename proposals are currently being done at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 20#Category:Countries and territories by language, and at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 25#Category:Hungarian-speaking territorial units in Croatia. (In Croatia, the legal threshold is 33%, and the govt also publishes official lists, but municipalities, villages/towns and settlements can voluntarily opt-in, unlike in Slovakia, where only census data determine local co-official minority language use).
I also propose to re-parent it from Category:Hungarian communities to Category:Regions of Europe with multiple official languages, where the aforementioned Category:Hungarian-speaking territorial units in Croatia is already in. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: In addition to Category:Regions of Europe with multiple official languages, we could also add it to Category:Hungarian-speaking countries and territories, just like Category:Hungarian-speaking territorial units in Croatia, but I suspect that the former will be the subject of another CfR if the latter (or its parent Category:Countries and territories by language, mentioned above) gets renamed, and I'd rather await that decision. But we could also tentatively add it, and perhaps retract it later if we change our minds. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, this is a good solution in a country where it is officially organized. That is perhaps not the case in every country though. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The official status makes a clear and objective category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — official status.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Heavy metal festivals in Estonia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Heavy metal festivals in Europe. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 21:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fertilizer companies of Estonia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:44, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 21:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pharmacy schools in Montenegro[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:TrueReal affiliates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Network ceased operations 3/27/2023 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American Roman Catholic Politicians[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. While there's agreement that the "by state" categories should also be nominated, that could be covered in a separate nomination. No real opposition to deleting this category by a banned user. bibliomaniac15 23:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS. While having a Catholic president is a recognized subtopic in literature, simply being a politician is not. User:Namiba 18:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural comment, this nomination is pointless if the state subcategories are not nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — not entirely pointless, this is a very recent shim cateogry containing only the by state sub-category. That should be deleted in the next pass.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Largest cities of Somalia templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy merge under WP:C2F. – Fayenatic London 13:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: category consists of a single template. Should be up-merged to parent categories: Category:Largest cities of Africa templates and Category:Somalia templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Asian sportspeople by region[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Yet another regional sub-tree missed because it wasn't included in either of the parallel trees previously deleted.
Followup to:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 8#Category:Sportspeople of Asian descent
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 15#Category:Asian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Time dilation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 19:03, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Retain naming scheme of parent category, Category:Fiction about time travel. DonIago (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:17th-century monarchs in North America[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete and upmerge. The first two categories will be deleted, and the last two will be upmerged. bibliomaniac15 23:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (17th-century monarchs in North America, 17th-century monarchs in South America, 18th-century monarchs in South America): Per precedent Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_7#Category:18th-century_monarchs_in_North_America: "viceroys" are not "monarchs", thus these cats can be deleted per WP:SMALLCAT because they will be empty. There is currently no consensus on whether continents are defining or WP:NONDEFINING for a monarch, especially if they reign(ed) over territories on multiple continents, in which case assigning continents to them may result in WP:ARBITRARYCATs or not. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (18th-century rulers in North America): Similarly, this will be a WP:SMALLCAT because it will have just 2 items once Category:18th-century monarchs in North America has been fully deleted. In practice, we may decide to create a new Category:Miskito monarchs as a child out of Category:Miskito people as a new place to put these 2 items plus other ones labelled "king/hereditary chief of the Miskito kingdom/nation/reserve". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (19th-century monarchs in South America): Similarly, this will be a WP:SMALLCAT because it will have just 1 subcat (Category:Brazilian monarchs) and 1 item (James Harden-Hickey, a self-proclaimed unrecognised prince of 2 years on a tiny island in the South Atlantic) once the viceroys have been removed as non-monarchs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove all vice-roys and consequently the first three categories will become empty and can be deleted. If the last two categories are not kept they should be merged to the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's consensus that vice-roys are not monarchs so that takes care of most of the issues. Edward I (Moskito) and George I (Miskito) could be kept as the sole members of Category:18th-century rulers in North America but upmerging them to 18th-century North American people and 18th-century rulers is also a decent option. Likewise, I don't really have a preference about how we deal with Category:19th-century monarchs in South America. Pichpich (talk) 18:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Viceroys aside, weren't there monarchs in the Americas in the 19th century (such as in Brazil)? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: delete or upmerge the last two?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:18th-century presidents of the United States[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Opposed - jc37 07:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: there are only 2 items in this cat, and it will never grow, because there only ever were two POTUS in the 18th century. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - perhaps 'part of a sequence' should be added to the WP:SMALLCAT 'unless' clause. Oculi (talk) 16:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with Oculi. And I don't see a problem with small categories, they help in navigating articles. Dimadick (talk) 17:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1st-century BC monarchs in Europe[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 23:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: only 2 items. Although it is probably possible for this category to grow, we should also take into account Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_7#Category:18th-century_monarchs_in_North_America, Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_19#Category:17th-century_monarchs_in_North_America and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_16#Category:European_monarchs, where the viability of categorising monarchs by continent was or is actively being questioned as possibly WP:NONDEFINING and/or WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • It now contains 7 articles and many more may be added. So smallcat is really not the issue. Getting rid of the continent level (as anachronistic) is a valid point, but that requires nominating the whole BC people by continent tree. We can't single out one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, SMALLCAT is no longer the issue. About continents, I'm not sure the correct approach is nominating the whole BC people by continent tree, because monarchs, by the very nature of their "occupation", could be reigning over territories in multiple continents that aren't unified states with a single "nationality", but rather a patchwork often held together by little more than a personal union. This makes monarchs different than other, say, "people by occupation and continent", in which "continent" might be a very legitimate parent of "by country" or "by nationality" categories (genuine transcontinental states excepted). But I suppose Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 25#Category:European monarchs is currently the best place to have that discussion, and that we can close this CfD here for now. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep How is being a monarch not a defining thing? How else would you get a page in the "1st-century BC book of notable people"? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The continent is nondefining. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Absurd nomination. Dimadick (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national origin[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 07:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT parallel to Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent. WP:COP-HERITAGE allows only descent or diaspora.
Summary: This recently created parallel category tree was also populated by the same continent and region decent subcategories. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.
Followup to:
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:40, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most will be deleted on your CSD C1 tag (I've not replaced them), the rest I'd beat you to them. These contained African and/or Asian subcategories. But many others were already deleted as empty during months of discussion that gradually depleted their content by continent or region (such as North American, Caribbean, Latin American, South American, Oceanian, European, Middle Eastern, and Caucasian). So this serves as a record of the discussion against future re-creation of similar categories.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While you are technically correct, LaundryPizza03, most of these categories were never tagged as being part of this CFD discussion. Just being listed here doesn't make them subject to debate, the categories have to be tagged and the category creators notified and since they are not CFD tagged, and they are empty, they are eligible for CSD C1. Liz Read! Talk! 01:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea why the nominator failed to place a CFD tag on these categories as it is part of the written nomination process. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • As was previously discussed (04:42, 28 March 2023), these were not tagged by me because Liz beat me to them. The others, I'd beat Liz. If our process requires two tags on a category, then that's news to me. I'd have added a second discussion tag. But there's no question that anybody watching the category was notified, as they were all tagged one way or the other. If our process is so broken that we need to re-tag and re-list these now empty categories for yet another week, that seems overly pedantic to me.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Non-German infantry divisions of the Waffen-SS[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Procedural close. Duplicate concurrent discussions. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: According to WP:OCMISC, categories should not be called "non-..." (can't define something by something that it is not). So, the Non-German part of the categories' names should be renamed to something more proper: Foreign. Cukrakalnis (talk) 15:18, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcelus @RevelationDirect @Marcocapelle @Peacemaker67 @Place Clichy due to their involvement here, where Marcelus proposed to delete these categories entirely. Cukrakalnis (talk) 15:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Close Since this nom isn't being withdrawn, it should be closed as a duplicate. (Category:Legions of the Waffen-SS can be reparented under Category:Military units and formations of the Waffen-SS for now.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What was wrong with the original categorization into volunteer and cnscript SS foreign units? You are proposing categorization for the sake of categorization. The previous system was much better. For example, the article 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) was in the categories Category:Waffen-SS divisions (grouping all SS divisions in order), Category:Foreign volunteer units of the Waffen-SS and Category:Infantry divisions of the Waffen-SS. After your changes it is only in Category:Non-German infantry divisions of the Waffen-SS. Is this a better solution? In my opinion, no. All three removed categories were useful. Dividing foreign units into "legions," "divisions," "corps," etc., makes essentially no sense. Because foreign units in the Waffen-SS did not form a separate system, but were part of the Waffen-SS system.
So they should belong to a category that gathers them all (divided into volunteer and conscript, because that's significant in their case), and to a categories that would place them in the Waffen-SS system; so not "foreign divisions of Waffen-SS," but "divisions of Waffen-SS." Marcelus (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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North Carolina Central women's basketball[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 19:05, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Lady Eagles" is not the WP:COMMONNAME for the women's basketball team at NCCU per the team's site (last results come from 2019) and ESPN coverage. "North Carolina Central Lady Eagles" brings up ~500 Ghits. fuzzy510 (talk) 09:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religious festivals in Zambia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Festivals in Zambia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Looking at the articles that are currently in these categories, it seems that we have "several categories" for the same articles; I suggest we narrow it down to only one category. GeographicAccountant (talk) 07:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Categories by date[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with two subcategories each.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcocapelle (talk • contribs) 05:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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