Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Kim Damti

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The result was delete‎. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Kim Damti

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Killing of a non-notable person, one of 260 victims of a terrorist attack, one of 1,300 victims taking all Hamas attacks of 7 October into account. Content appropriate to the event, (Re'im music festival massacre), not a standalone article, per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as nom. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Crime, Events, Terrorism, Israel, and Ireland. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Re'im music festival massacre. Damti did not play a major role in the event, was not notable beforehand, and her death in particular has not led to any notable results (ie, widespread vigils, protests, notable art/music, etc). ForsythiaJo (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Re'im music festival massacre, as nom. Parham wiki (talk) 16:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be deleted, for the following reasons:

(1) Kim Damti’s death was commented upon by the Irish head of state (Michael D. Higgins), the Irish head of government (Leo Varadkar) and the Irish deputy head of government (Micheál Martin). No Irish citizen killed outside of Ireland has had their death commented upon by all three persons holding those offices without there being a Wikipedia page to go along with it. (See, for example, Murder of Michaela McAreavey).

(2) Kim Damti is, so far, the only Irish citizen to have been confirmed dead in the Re'im music festival massacre. The population of the Republic of Ireland is 5 million. The equivalent would be 66 US citizens being killed in the attack.

(3) Several victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks have their own Wikipedia page (Benjamin Clark, Kevin Cosgrove, Welles Crowther, Frank De Martini, Melissa Doi). They have not been deleted, and continue to exist in their own right. WarrenWilliam (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PIA—TZ

The principle relevant policy in this case is WP:SINGLEEVENT. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS applies to the September 11 articles (and it should be noted that at least some of those articles are about people notable for their actions on the day, being included in documentaries, phonecalls used in court testimony, etc.) 260 people were killed at the Re'im music festival massacre; 1,300 people overall were killed in the Hamas attacks. An article for each of the non-notable victims wouldn't be justified. An article for this non-notable victim isn't justified just because, as the only Irish victim, she was mentioned by Varadkar, Martin and Higgins. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)r[reply]

^ seconded. And I think the mentions of a person by heads of state are confusing indications of notability, with a person (or their death) being notable. A notable person or event is likely to be mentioned by authority figures, but that doesn't mean everything an authority ever mentions is notable - i.e., WP:INHERITED. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even those articles are iffy, the chef appears rather routine. I might even revisit the need for those two, thank you for pointing them out. Oaktree b (talk) 19:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Ok, but what did she do to become notable? There is literally nothing about her life and two paragraphs about her death and aftermath. Dying in an attack doesn't get you past the notability requirements; to be blunt, she was 22 with a full life ahead of her, which kind of implies there wasn't much before that point (likely just school and normal teenage/young adult life experiences). NOTMEMORIAL applies here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Oaktree b. Nothing worth merging here. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sadly one of but many victims, makes no sense to given them their own individual pages. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Is war victims now going to be on wikipedia. All crime victims as well. She is completely non-notable. scope_creep^Talk 09:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. She was not independently notable, before or after her death. Nothing came of her death specifically. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Spleodrach (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Since there are no earlier mentions in the media. Also, the murder was within a massacre. gidonb (talk) 06:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This unfortunate death does not confer notability on a subject by itself. Prior to the event, she was as anonymous as I am. Expressions of sadness by politicians are also insufficient criteria for notability according to Wikipedia policies. When a particularly gruesome traffic accident occurs in Ireland or if, for example, a whole family was killed in such an accident particularly if very young children were involved, politicians tend to make remarks of regret about such incidents as well, to voice the dismay of the community at large, but they are not truly notable in the greater scheme of things: they are merely banal traffic accidents, no matter how painful. This death does not warrant a standalone article. Tragedy is not notable because it is so commonplace, therefore, an individual death is unremarkable by itself without additional markers of notability. O'Dea (talk) 13:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While tragic, her death is no more special than others who perished at the festival, and I removed a bunch of unnecessary quotes from the article as it's not an obituary. In fact, this conflict has spawned a ton of articles on subjects editors have suddenly deemed notable after their deaths, and frankly it's getting a bit out of hand (see Deaths in 2023). sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 04:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable, per all the above comments. No significant impact beyond the immediate tragic incident. The fact that Ireland's leaders mentioned her is to be expected and does not contribute to her notability. Unlikely search term so a redirect is unnecessary. Mooonswimmer 12:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.