Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Masch

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The result was delete. Consensus is that the held positions is not equivalent to a "statewide office" per NPOL. No evidence that GNG or any other notability criteria has been met, and therefore consensus is "delete." However, it should be noted that it is not at all a "clear attempt to abuse that provision". That is undeserved bad faith. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 21:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Masch[edit]

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Bureaucrat that has held multiple positions, but none that pass WP:NPOL. PROD was contested based on the assumption that Masch has held statewide office, but he has not held any statewide elected office or been elected to any office over the course of his career. He serve as the Secretary of Administration under Governor Ed Rendell, but that is an appointed position to run a state government department. GPL93 (talk) 15:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. GPL93 (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. GPL93 (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Delete: Per Nom. Just a business administrator with mainly primary sources, dead links, or mundane news reports or press releases. Otr500 (talk) 13:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The wording of WP:NPOL -- Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or sub-national (e.g., province- or state-wide) office -- doesn't explicitly state that one has to be an elected official to meet NPOL. The office he holds - Secretary of Administration - is a technically a state-wide office. Ergo, he is notable under WP:NPOL. That said, the article's quality does not look good right now. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:NPOL he has held a statewide office.Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the Department of Administration is a 600-person support office for other statewide government departments and "Secretary" is simply the term used in PA instead of "director". It's not a constitutionally established office and can be dissolved at any time. I don't particularly think the Statewide office criteria of NPOL covers that. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:09, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:18, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. The small Department of Administration is an office director position and can hardly be used as justification to pass the statewide office criteria of WP:NPOL. This is a clear attempt to abuse that provision to keep! this article. If he did pass it, then any random DMV official would need an article as well, since everyone in the state is technically under them so they are more a statewide official then this guy. Newshunter12 (talk) 08:51, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This sort of functionary falls below what our rules are intended to allow. bd2412 T 20:50, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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