Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Javed Ahmed Tak

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 16:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Javed Ahmed Tak[edit]

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The page is a very non-neutral BLP, and it is almost entirely unreferenecd. Much of the article was written by a mostly single-purpose account named Javed Ahmed Tak, so this could be a partial autobiography. In any case, it reads very much like a resume and does not seem appropriate for an encyclopedia. The article also doesn't seem to establish notability, at least in my opinion. Noahfgodard (talk) 15:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The award he won, the fourth highest civilian award, has almost all of its recipients with wiki pages. ~~I'm not sure, but the sources listed may mean, along with the award, notability for him~~ Bedfordres (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is, does that award confer notability? (Padma Shri) The sources listed were about the award, not him specifically. I may look for ones specifically about him Bedfordres (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bedfordres: You have a good point that the award may be an indication of notability, but as you say, the sources used in the article only mention him briefly. Noahfgodard (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noahfgodard: For reference. Sorry formatting is not right.

"From Arun Jaitley to Karan Johar: Here's full list of Padma Vibhushan, Padma Bhushan, Padma Shri awardees 2020". Deccan Herald. 25 January 2020. Retrieved 26 January 2020.

"Padma Awards announced; posthumous honour for Arun Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj". The Times of India. 26 January 2020. Retrieved 26 January 2020.
"Full list of 2020 Padma awardees". The Hindu. 26 January 2020. Retrieved 26 January 2020.
"जावेद अहमद टाक को पद्म श्री से सम्मानित किया गया". KhabarTak.com (in Hindi). Retrieved 27 January 2020.
"Muslim bhajan singer, 'Langar Baba', Sundarban doctor among Padma award winners". The Times of India. 26 January 2020. Retrieved 26 January 2020.
"Republic Day 2020: Meet The Unsung Heroes Who Have Been Conferred With Padma Awards". Outlook. 26 January 2020. Retrieved 27 January 2020.
"Govt announces Padma Shri Awards 2020: Here is all you need to know about the 21 awardees". Republic TV. 26 January 2020. Retrieved 26 January 2020.

Bedfordres (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed unsorced and maybe copyright violation material to stable version. You may want to look at that as well...Also someone added these as well (changed phrasing).

https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/opinion/empowering-the-physically-challenged/ https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/gk-magazine/disabled-discriminated-in-jk/ http://www.subhashchandra.com/news/subhash-chandra-show-travels-to-kashmir-1653/ http://abdnews24.com/pages/posts.php?category=jandk&&postid=2048 Bedfordres (talk) 18:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 20:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep A padma awardee which is the fourth highest civilian honour in India and clearly passes WP:ANYBIO.Faizal batliwala (talk) 14:17, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Faizal batliwala: You may be right, but per WP:ANYBIO, "meeting one or more [criteria] does not guarantee that a subject should be included." Moreover, 118 people were awarded the Padma Shri this year alone, so it alone should not establish that a subject should be included. Only one source is used in the article which is not simply a list of winners of the award, and this singular source is a short news report in relation to the award, meaning the article probably does not meet the WP:GNG and certainly fails WP:SUSTAINED. My original nomination for deletion had more to do with the article's blatant self-promotion and lack of a neutral point of view than with notability. Bedfordres removed much of the contentious material, for which I am very grateful, but I'm still not inclined to change my position to "keep", given the lingering question of notability/referencing in a BLP and per WP:SUSTAINED. Noahfgodard (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:YOURSELF. Receiving an award (however prestigious) does not guarantee notability, especially for the subject of an apparent autobiography. Miniapolis 21:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Miniapolis: that was the case when the article was first nominated, but I changed it to a version before the autobiographical material was added, so I think it no longer applies. My bad if I misunderstand something. Thanks! Bedfordres (talk)

It's better now, but the subject's notability seems borderline at this time and the page still needs better sourcing (more than a list of Padma Shri recipients). Stay well and all the best, Miniapolis 01:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep prize recipient. I think there is enough about him or partially about him...https://newzhook.com/story/ramakrishnan-amar-seva-sangam-padma-shri-jammu-kashmir-disabled-javed-ahmed-tak/ Part of it is about him..."It was his PIL that led to the implementation of the Disability Act in Jammu and Kashmir." He was interviewed in Civil Society Online, a magazine. He founded this:http://www.humanitywelfarehelpline.org/history.htm An interview of him:https://www.scoonews.com/news/from-being-shot-in-the-spine-to-opening-an-inclusive-school-padma-shri-javed-ahmad-tak-shares-his-story-with-us-9106 From notability guidlines "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards...The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." I'm not sure if the above things mentioned would be secondary sources, and if they're not, would it still be enough for an article? Bedfordres (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 20:34, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 02:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is very easy info WP:GNG to find about this person on the web. MISSIONgreen=SILVER (talk) 05:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC) MISSIONgreen=SILVER[reply]

And that info is ... ? Miniapolis 14:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep easily passes GNG as the person received India's fourth-highest civilian award Padma Shri. DMySon 12:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @DMySon: In what way does that relate to the WP:GNG? The GNG states: that a topic must receive "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". (You quote this on your user page, so I'm sure you're aware of it.) Although the Padma Shri is an important award, it does not establish notability, and not all winners of the award have Wikipedia articles. Tak has received virtually no coverage outside of lists of Padma Shri winners, meaning he does not meet the WP:GNG and certainly fails WP:SUSTAINED. Noahfgodard (talk) 18:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to clarify that although my reasons have somewhat shifted after cleanup by User:Bedfordres, I am still on the side of Delete as nom. Noahfgodard (talk) 18:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 04:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I don't see how its meets notability criteria. Kolma8 (talk) 09:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.