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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎ without prejudice to further discussion about what parts of the article should be moved to where. (non-admin closure) voorts (talk/contributions) 01:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Italian language in Romania[edit]

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Not really about the Italian language in Romania. It’s mostly a coatrack about Italians in Romania and about the similarities between Romanian and Italian. Biruitorul Talk 21:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Italians in Romania per WP:ATD. Most of the article seems to be about Italians in Romania, with only a fraction about what the article should be about. Thus merge it and move the content actually about the the Romanian and Italian languages to a section of Italians in Romania or a section under Romanian or Italian. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 22:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom and per Flemmish Nietzsche. Article is not mainly of its topic and has a lot of unsourced information. I don't think the topic is notable to justify its split from Italians in Romania, it's not like the language is very present in the country. Super Ψ Dro 22:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep part of it, merge the rest. The sections on the languages should be kept. The various sections about other topics, like Italian Emigration to Romania, belong in the article for Italians in Romania. I can see an argument for merging the language sections with that article but I do think that the language elements are worthy of their own article. Lamona (talk) 04:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Why is Italians in Romania a preferable redirect target over Languages of Romania? IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 13:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Italian isn't listed there as a language used in Romania. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be based on something like census data. If Italian doesn't show in official statistics it probably shouldn't be addressed there. Lamona (talk) 14:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the latest census, there are 4105 native speakers of Italian in Romania. Biruitorul Talk 19:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the use of a language in a country would intuitively be covered in the existing article for the minority speaking that language in the country. Super Ψ Dro 22:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: "Keep part of it, merge the rest"? I'm sorry but XFDcloser doesn't do this. If you vote "Keep", you can go ahead with a Merge on your own. But I can't close this as Keep and Merge, you have to pick one or the other outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: the comparative linguistics main topic is well sourced and notable. The narrative about Italian people in Romania is largely irrelevant here, and should be trimmed down and/or moved to the Italians in Romania page, if applicable, but that's an editorial issue irrelevant to this AfD. I believe this is also what Lamona and Cyclopia meant with their "Keep/merge" !vote, but they'll correct me if I misread their intention. Owen× ☎ 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are spot on. Lamona (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, let’s move to Comparison of Italian and Romanian, which is not the same thing as the current title. Biruitorul Talk 21:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree, domnul Biruitorul. But to do that, we must first keep the content of this article with this AfD. Once closed as Keep, I support you renaming it as you propose, which better reflects the content we wish to keep, after the rest has been merged into Italians in Romania. Basically, what an AfD has to decide is whether the subject the page aims to cover is encyclopedic. Both the content and the title can be changed based on editorial choice, the first by editing and the second by a simple move; neither require deletion. Owen× ☎ 23:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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