Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AB Aviation Flight 1103

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The result was merge‎ to AB Aviation or a subsection thereof, such as AB_Aviation#Accidents_and_incidents. Consensus is that while the material is worth retention, it does not necessarily mandate a standalone due to length of this and the target Star Mississippi 00:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AB Aviation Flight 1103[edit]

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Per WP:NOTNEWS. Fails WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:EVENTCRIT. No evidence of lasting effects. The last news report related to the event was AB aviation losing its license (French). Aviationwikiflight (talk) 03:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* Keep - once again, with your logic, most flights with articles ex. Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 708 should be deleted because it doesn't have any continued coverage? There has also been 13 fatalities, i can't tell if this was a sarcastic nomination but whatever it is, this is Abuse of AFD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeekyAviation (talk • contribs) 03:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is neither sarcastic nor an abuse of AfD, this is following the given wikipedia guidelines and interpreting them so as to whether we keep these articles or not.

After 2022, there hasn't any news article covering this accident. Does not meet the event criteria. It's not even sure whether an investigation has been launched. There haven't been any reports of changes in the aviation sector failing WP:LASTING.

Instead of typing keep, you should go read some of the wikipedia guidelines iI highlighted. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i did read it. also from what im seeing from your understanding, you'd need to go nominate for deletion plenty of other articles. you can find it here. GeekyAviation (talk) 03:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh why, thank you so much. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 04:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you're welcome GeekyAviation (talk) 04:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, not as bad as it may seem. I clicked 20(!) randlom articles from the list and hit not a single page as bad as we are discussing here. - Altenmann >talk 04:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i don't understand what you are saying, please come and reply once you are back from the bar and sober, thanks so much! GeekyAviation (talk) 04:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to a certain degree. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 04:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
redirect to AB_Aviation#Accidents_and_incidents, which says it all. - Altenmann >talk
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Aviation, and Comoros. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I did find some lasting coverage here and here. It was a commercial passenger crash with fatalities, which are usually kept - the problem here is that it happened in the Comoros, so coverage is difficult to search for, but can still be improved. SportingFlyer T·C 05:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even then, those were singular seperate pieces of articles published in 2022. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect - given the small size of AB Aviation, the four sentences can be moved there. The "losing its license" part will make more sense with context there. tedder (talk) 05:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Even though it was only a Cessna 208, the company operating the flight also operated ERJ 145 and EMB 120 aircraft, so it wasn't a typical charter company of a couple of guys with a plane. The accident led to the revocation of the airline's operating license (link to article included in nominator's statement), and a year later, it was still in the news as family members of the crash victims were still in the courts seeking restitution (2022 article, in French here, 2023 article, in French here) In addition, the crash resulted in Comorian civil aviation changing aviation rules to prohibit the rental and chartering of single-engine aircraft for commercial flights (see article, in French here), so the accident has lasting effect in the form of regulatory changes. There is a consensus that accidents of commercial flights that lead to regulatory changes or safety changes meet notability standards, and I believe that's met here. RecycledPixels (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree more towards a merge as, on itself, the event isn't notable enough for a standalone article. What you mentioned, the changing of aviation rules isn't solving the problem, it just makes aviation in the Comoros more complicated. If this accident were to have lasting effects, it would have to have come from the investigation itself except no investigation was ever started so actual rule changes which would help develop aviation safety will probably never happen.

The losing of license, rule changes, court proceedings can all be merged with the airline article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 02:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
13 fatalities isn't notable? GeekyAviation (talk) 02:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was clearly sustained local coverage of a commercial flight, this clearly qualifies for an article using our sourcing rules. SportingFlyer T·C 02:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see evidence of sustained local coverage after the first week to month. Only 1/4 of the articles linked here provide some sort of analysis. Even then, the said analysis is on the aftermath of the event, not the event itself.

3/4 of the articles linked in this page were mostly brief bursts of coverage with brief content.

Outside of these four articles, the term AB Aviation Flight 1103 isn't common so you have to write a short description of the event in french to actually get to the same topic. Even then, the results given link you to Yemenia Flight 626 or other aviation events. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect I agree with tedder´s proposal, that way the link in the aviation accidents and incidents in 2022 category will redirect to the airline page instead.--Voceta (talk) 07:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.