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Tech News: 2014-41

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  • On Thursday, the tool to edit TemplateData will come to 30 more wikis. [11] [12]
  • You can help sort bugs in the Book and PDF export tool on October 8. [13]
  • 1% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. [14]

Future changes

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06:10, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

On hoaxes, and a bigger issue

To answer your request: yes. On an unrelated note, the Winner423-related outing you just oversighted is still visible in the article's history by viewing SineBot's old revision (628430741). Not providing a diff for obvious reasons; feel free to delete this message. Blackguard 08:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Rev delete

You need to delete this intermediate revision too. Neatsfoot (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Already done. Neatsfoot (talk) 11:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Our Brand Is Crisis (2016 film)

Hello B, please take a look at Draft:Our Brand Is Crisis (film) and move it to Our Brand Is Crisis (2016 film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, need to add a plot, add a wikilink to the previous movie and mention this movie on the old movie's page. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, got it. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 14:28, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta

Hello, Bgwhite. You have new messages at Titodutta's talk page.
Message added 22:30, 6 October 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Tito☸Dutta 22:30, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta

Hello, Bgwhite. You have new messages at Titodutta's talk page.
Message added 23:20, 6 October 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Tito☸Dutta 23:20, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Woof

Automatic notification thanks would never be enough for your gift of a toy poodle for my talk page .You cannot imagine how right on time this is. I promise this happy dog shall live peaceably amongst my cats. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 04:41, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Fylbecatulous, that poodle looks like the poodle that is partially on my shoulder right now. I had my previous poodle for 19 years, so I'm very partial to the fluff balls. That evil Hafs is not fond of poodles, so be on constant guard against poodle defamation. However, Hafs did leave a cute poodle up above on my talk page. I'm not a big fan of cats, but there are a few that have gotten me. My in-laws have one that thinks she is a dog. Plays fetch, loves to be mauled and plays tag with the dog. But most importantly, begs for food. She knows she will get something from me, so she sits on her hind legs and meows... just like a dog. Bgwhite (talk) 04:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Bone Tomahawk

Please take a look at Draft:Bone Tomahawk and move it to Bone Tomahawk - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 05:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

It's me

--Tito☸Dutta 08:27, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Bgwhite. Please check your email; you've got mail!
Message added 12:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Tito☸Dutta 12:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I want you to read the entire email and reply to it. . . positively --Tito☸Dutta 12:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Tweaks to your talk page and editnotice

Hey, I've fixed the label of the search button on your talk page and also made the editnotice more accessible. Hope you don't mind. Graham87 03:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bgwhite...

Hello Bgwhite. I came here from the Andrew R. Heinze "history page." I'm not sure what was done by a bot and what was done by you. In any event, thank you; some things got fixed that needed fixing. Would you please tell me what this means (below)?

m (WP:CHECKWIKI error fix for #48. Remove link to the title inside the text. Do general fixes if a problem exists. - using AWB (10469))

I don't know what #48 means. Thanks very much. EastDimeBoxFrank (talk) 09:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

#48 means there was a wikilink in the article that was the article's name... ie, there was [[Andrew R. Heinze]] inside the Heinze article. The problem was in an image caption. You removed the image after the problem was detected, but before the bot arrived. It was removed in this edit.
General fixes is a whole host of different fixes. Everything that was done to the article falls under general fixes. Bgwhite (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. EastDimeBoxFrank (talk) 07:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

List of Dungeons & Dragons novels

Thanks for the help, but I non-maliciously removed your changes. I was in the middle of a large edit, and I needed to leave my computer. If I had more time I would have gone through and manually adjusted, but did not.... my 3 yr old son loves to mess with my browser. I will go back and add the ISBNT template now that I realized it is there. I was thinking there had to be a better way. Also the change from the '&' to the 'and' was probably not proper as D&D is decidedly not "D and D". I will be doing a lot, strike that, a LOT of edits on this needed list, so it might be better to wait a bit...maybe a week... to do changes or else let me know. Thanks for you time and work speednat (talk) 04:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Speednat, no problem. I don't want to imagine what your computer looks like after your son got done with it. The '&' to 'and' is correct. When it comes to sorting, & should be substituted with 'and'. It already has been done to all the other D&D articles.
To more quickly add the ISBNT template, use search/replace on a web browser. Chrome extension "search and replace" or use the Firefox add-on "Fox Replace". Bgwhite (talk) 04:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Awesome thanks.speednat (talk) 05:07, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

By Way of Helena

Please take a look at Draft:By Way of Helena and move it to By Way of Helena - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 06:49, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Now, the time has come when someone of us should go ahead and inform you that your "tireless" works are not going unnoticed.
I sincerely hope, you'll allow me to keep on giving such barnstars to you. . . . . . for many more centuries . Tito☸Dutta 03:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-42

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Problems

  • 10% of Tool Labs was down on October 7. [20]
  • Tool Labs was also broken on October 11. [21]

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf3) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since 9 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from 14 October, and on all Wikipedias from 16 October (calendar).
  • 5% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature. [22]

Meetings

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08:53, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Moving proposals

Please take a look at following drafts and move them to required titles.

Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The bot's edit to Marshall W. Mason

It appears that your bot made a mistake in changing a web address in a reference at the end of the section: "Broadway". It looks like it added an extra "http". Here's the web address that resulted: [1]. Ashenderflickin (talk) 11:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.http://sdcweb.org/about/our-history/
This is the edit. As I undertand it, the bot looks for URLs which do not begin with any one of: http:// https:// or // and if absent, inserts a http:// at the start. It does not look inside the URL, and does not correct malformed URLs. In this case, the old URL was www.http://sdcweb.org/about/our-history/ which begins www.http:// and that is always invalid - the correct fix would have been to remove that www. from the start. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's about the Harp Twins article

Dear Bgwhite, you have apparently drawn some amazing Autumn paintings! I didn't know you were that talented! Anyway, please be prepared for a very depressing message (I'm currently very mentally unstable, I mean, much more than usual - after all, I was in good psychological shape when I pretended to be a Russian communist fan of the Harp Twins on YouTube). Here's the problem: I recently realized that Lesser Cartographies' lead section for the Harp Twins article does not comply with WP:LEAD. That page states the following: "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects." And "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points". So, Lesser failed to do that. That's a fact. Also, the entire article is a skeleton that needs some flesh. Therefore, since you are very busy dealing with many users, including problematic ones (such as myself), I spent a lot of precious time adding some meat to the article in a draft. Please read it. I remember Lesser indirectly threatened you at ANI and he cleverly tried to make people think that you have been biased in favor of me throughout this long process, but that's nonsense. Lesser simply has a personal problem with me, so he was trying to neutralize you to some degree. But my new draft is bulletproof. Duff's favorite terms, such as WP:PEACOCK, WP:NPOV and WP:FANCRUFT cannot be used against my draft. There is absolutely nowhere Lesser and Duff can go to complain successfully. The part in my draft that says that the Harp Twins "have received world-wide attention online" is properly sourced, as well as the part that claims "their videos have been featured in worldwide mainstream media" (that statement has five super strong sources, including from Spanish and Russian national TV). If you are too busy right now, maybe GoingBatty could take a look. Also, IndianBio is an expert at BLPs. If my draft is approved, I am convinced it will substantially improve the article and get it out of Start-Class. Many thanks as always for your kind patience. Dontreader (talk) 07:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear mentally unstabled one, I'll try and look at it this weekend. If you don't hear from me by Monday, bug again. I forget things unless they are in front of me. However, I really wish I could forget you. Oh the nightmares. There is one thing going against the article, there isn't much information out there to put in. I guess you could mention my stalker love letters to Camille. Bgwhite (talk) 22:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Most esteemed leader, keep in mind that I merely added a few details to the article in the draft version (to make it better, of course, because bigger isn't always better). It's not like I wrote it from scratch. Also, I must confess that for a long time the Twins hadn't had any notable achievements, apart from receiving your very inspired love letters, but look at this! That's from today! They are in Paraguay, Bgwhite! Paraguay!!! There's a big annual international harp festival there! Dontreader (talk) 00:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bgwhite,
Please give me a few more days to improve the Harp Twins draft since I think it can be further improved, plus I want to incorporate the Paraguay trip, which is an ongoing event. Many thanks, and have a nice week! Dontreader (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bgwhite,
Please read this section again to refresh your memory. As I said, first I realized that the lead section of the Harp Twins article is flawed, so I corrected it, to properly summarize the contents of the article. Then I merely added some flesh to the skeleton article that Lesser created, without taking out material that he wrote. There is no bias, peacock, or fancruft. Honestly, when they eventually shifted towards covering and praising metal, I became disillusioned and I'm no longer a fan, but I wish them well, and I still support them in some ways, including the maintenance and improvement of their Wikipedia article. I added the Paraguay information, too, finally. I'm a native speaker of Spanish, so I have read all of the articles that were written about them online by Paraguayan newspapers. It's unbelievable. They were treated like genuine rock stars. They went to TV stations for interviews and performances, they gave interviews to newspapers and to the EFE news agency. They were asked to perform at the harp festival a second time (at the closing ceremony) because the crowd went wild. And the night after the festival was over they had a concert, and so many people showed up that they decided to give two concerts in a row, and still it was not enough to fit in all the fans. Yet I only mentioned the part about the festival. My draft is finished. Please look at it here. I really think it's a HUGE improvement. Many thanks in advance for your time. Dontreader (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bgwhite, I wanted to thank you for the time you obviously put into studying both the article and my draft, to then see how to put things together. Of course it would have been much easier if you had simply replaced the contents of the article with my marvelous draft, but the universe has many mysteries. I tried my best to write a balanced and high-quality draft. Is there any advice you could give me to do better in the future, please? Also, Bgwhite, do you think the Musical career section is long enough now to add another picture? For example, a still picture from one of their videos to illustrate their work? Many thanks for all this work. I truly appreciate it. Dontreader (talk) 21:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Dontreader I only did what the Ouija board told me to do. References usually don't go into the lede section. Lede should summarize, therefore the long, referenced version is further down into the article. What I didn't add into the lede, I thought was to POV and promotional. Same goes for the "unscheduled performance" sentence in the musical career. The marksmanship and swimmer sentence I didn't think was to relevant... I was torn on that and decided to leave it out. I'm not a fan of "has been featured in..." type sentences. Personally, I think there are too POV to me. I usually see it in articles about writers.
The article certainly could use more photos. If the article were all photos, there still wouldn't be enough. I'm just unsure what photos to use because of copyrights. A still image from a video would be copyrighted. Bgwhite (talk) 22:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
So, in a nutshell, you are telling me to use a Ouija board for future efforts. That should be fun! Oh, and their videos belong entirely to them. It's good to be twins. One of them (with the camera on a tripod) tells her sister where she should stand. Then the first twin presses "Record" and joins her sister, and they begin the take. They do that around 10 times from different angles and distances for each video. Occasionally an assistant films them if you see both of them in a shot and the camera is obviously moving, but I will avoid those rare scenes. I'll see what I can do, Bgwhite, because Kennerly recently broke up with me after I told her to stop listening to that awful Master of Puppets song. Thanks again for everything! Dontreader (talk) 23:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Ed Oxenbould

Please take a look at Draft:Ed Oxenbould and move it to Ed Oxenbould - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Marshall W. Mason article

Hi Bgwhite, I've been improving the Marshall W. Mason article because the references were a disaster, but I also encountered an external link that does not belong in the article per WP:EXT, so I took it out. Now I see that my edit has been reverted by a user who decided to defend the external link on the talk page of the article. I have replied, but your response would be more respected and clearer than mine. This is probably the easiest favor I've asked from you in a year. Many thanks in advance as always... Dontreader (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

That's What I'm Talking About (film)

Please take a look at Draft:That's What I'm Talking About (film) and move it to That's What I'm Talking About (film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 02:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Problem with BG19bot's edit of Richard Schiff

There appears to be a minor error in the way your bot made these changes to Richard Schiff. Someone else later caught and corrected the error.

The article originally had both a {{ refimprove }} and {{ BLP Sources }} template which your bot wisely reinterpreted but, by doing so in the wrong order, created a confused duplication error… BG19bot apparently correctly recognized that the refimprove was actually a BLP Sources problem; but, before making that change, it changed the two sequential reference templates into a single {{ multiple issues }} template; then made the subsequent change of the refimprove to BLP Sources ultimately making a multiple issues template a listing of the same issue (BLP Sources) repeated twice.

It simply seems that BG19bot needs to do its conversions from refimprove to BLP Sources first, then scan for duplicates of the same template, then (if appropriate) combine multiple template calls into a multiple issues template.

Cheers   — Wikierroneous 17:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

ikierroneous, the bug report for the problem can be found at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser#bug in template redirects Bgwhite (talk) 21:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

"BLP sources" is the "refimprove" tag for BLPs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:11, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Haji Springer

Hello! My article Haji Springer (Hip-Hop Artist) will be deleted again. Before it is deleted please edit it yourself so it will be saved from deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.180.104.193 (talk) 08:10, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

remove double small

a) Why?
b) BTW, you did a LOT more than just "remove double small". I was going to revert your edit until I noticed how many extra useful things you'd done in addition to "remove double small" ...
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Pdfpdf, the double smalls were removed because that rendered the text well below accessibility guidelines. Per WP:NOSTRIKE (last paragraph), text should not exceed 85% of normal size. Using one small tag renders text at the 85% minimum.
I did the edit summary as "remove double small" because that was the reason I arrived at the page.
Dyslexia can be fun. I keep reading it at "double smells". If that was your original intent, I suggest talking to Magioladitis. If you have been around him, you would know he is an expert on generating double and triple smells. :) Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
My dyslexia can be worse. lol. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
<chuckle> ;-) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
<smell>P.S. Oh yes: Thanks for the response. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)</smell>

Thanks!

I wanted to drop a line and thank you for blocking the anonymous IPs that were vandalizing the Cyberchase page. We have had quite a problem with that lately: particularly with anonymous IPs claiming that Season 9 has ended but failing to cite a source to prove it. We have requested numerous page protections for varying periods of time, and always the issues persist. Thanks for caring enough about this issue to nip it in the bud. We owe you a debt of gratitude. If we can pay you back in any way, you have only to ask. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 09:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Jgstokes, give me a yell anytime there are problems. I'm amazed at your involvement in Cyberchase. I thought it would be too mature for those from Happy Valley. :) Bgwhite (talk) 18:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I grew up on PBS programs, so when Cyberchase came along, I enjoyed the opportunity to familiarize myself with it. It's one of the few good quality kids shows left on PBS where so many others feel the need to "dumb things down" for children. That's why I am determined to do all I can to ensure that good quality programs like Cyberchase remain on the air for a good long time. I will be sure to contact you anytime there is a problem with the page. Thanks again for caring enough about it to do something about it. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

What to do?

I actually don't know what do? You already know that Child Labour: A Review in the Context of Nepal has been nominated for deletion at Afd. But a Hindi version of the article has been created on the Hindi Wikipedia and a link to it has been recently added in the section "external links". I can write, read and speak Hindi but don't know how to work on the Hindi Wikipedia. I also don't know how to nominate it for deletion there. Please, could you help me?
(P.S. - Your talk page is in my watchlist, but even then just ping me. Thank you!)
Tamravidhir (talk!) 04:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Tamravidhir, anything outside of Latin script is just scribbles to me. Fortunately, there is a great group of Indian writers around here. Unfortunately, the "leader" has just left Wikipedia. Titodutta speaks Bengali, not sure about Hindi. He's well connected, so I'm sure he knows someone who can help. Bladesmulti also might be of help. I've known Tito since he was a little baby on Wikipedia. 50,000+ edits later and he still drives me crazy :). His photo is a few discussions above this... he decided to scare me early instead of waiting for Halloween. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I know Titodutta. If to say then he knows me since I was a little baby on Wikipedia. :P Okay, let me ask him for help. Thank you Bgwhite! ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk!) 05:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
P.S. - My mothertongue's Bengali. :) --Tamravidhir (talk!) 05:02, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
@Titodutta: It's highly suspicious! That editor was Kedar Joshi and this is Kedar Sreshtha. It's really suspicious! Tamravidhir (talk!) 05:10, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
If to say it's really confusing. I am not at all familiar with Hindi Wikipedia! :/ --Tamravidhir (talk!) 05:11, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
@Titodutta: In that case I can do it. Thank you so much Titodutta. ^_^ Tamravidhir (talk!) 05:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Tito I remember Kedar too. I had nominated his article for deletion on wikibooks and it worked. Later found that they were also removed from simplewiki, wiki-quote and many other sister projects. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite and Titodutta: I don't know what to do next. I have nominated two articles of Shresthakedra for deletion on the Hindi Wikipedia (here and here). One of them has already been deleted from the English Wikipedia while the other one has been nominated (and four users have voted in favour of the nomination). But I don't know if I have nominated the articles on the Hindi Wikipedia correctly. I'm not quite sure...09:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Tamravidhir, to my untrained hiwiki eye, it looks good to me. On the first AfD, you mentioned all the important points. Bgwhite (talk) 22:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Urgent help needed

Thank you so much Bgwhite1 Now I'm extremely excited! How can I get to know when a set of DYK will appear on the main page! You know what it's my first DYK which will be appearing on the main page! Please tell me quick! Please please please! Wanna know fast! It's already at prep 4...Tamravidhir (talk!) 09:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Tamravidhir, first off, Congratulations!!!! Your DYK is in the "Prep" stage, then it goes into the queue. The Template:Did you know/Queue#Local update times gives an estimate of when each queue will show up on the front page. Looks like yours will show up around the 24th at 8:11 local time. Bgwhite (talk) 09:55, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
You mean 8:11 am? Tamravidhir (talk!) 09:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
And then it will be replaced by something else at 8:11 pm? Tamravidhir (talk!) 10:01, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
@Tamravidhir: There are six prep areas (e.g. Prep 4), and six queues (e.g. Queue 1); they are normally used in rotation. Links to all twelve are given in one of the boxes at the top of each prep and queue. Periodically, one of the queues is moved to main page, usually by DYKUpdateBot (talk · contribs); it is supposed to happen at 00:00 (UTC) and 12:00 (UTC), but it can vary: the set that went up at 00:00, 18 October 2014‎ didn't get replaced until 15:11, 18 October 2014‎ (the page history is here). You might like to put Template:Did you know on your watchlist. Note that occasionally a hook is pulled early, often because it is factually inaccurate or there are legal issues, etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thank you so much! All is crystal clear now...^_^ Tamravidhir (talk!) 10:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for assistance

You fixed the photo, many thanks - was hoping somebody smart would drop by and clean up! The article still needs work but I'm doing quite a few so please feel free to check any other stuff I have been doing, any advice welcome. User:Pupsikon Pupsikon 00:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Geostorm

Please take a look at Draft:Geostorm and move it to Geostorm - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-43

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Recent changes

  • You can test a new system to see math using MathML. Go to your display options and choose "⧼mw math mathml⧽".
  • You can add badges in Wikidata for quality articles and featured lists. [26] [27]

File information cleanup

Problems

  • Developers fixed a security problem. If you use Internet Explorer 6, you won't be able to log in any more. You should use a newer browser. [29]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf4) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 21, and on all Wikipedias from October 23 (calendar).
  • 10% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature. [30]
  • If you add the same parameter twice in a template, it now puts the page in a tracking category. [31] [32]

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13:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Dead Rising: Watchtower

Please take a look at Draft:Dead Rising: Watchtower and move it to Dead Rising: Watchtower - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 08:52, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Update 22 October 2014

Namaste
After a long time I am feeling very much relieved to be able to edit in Wikipedia freely. Though the job loss at Sarkarverse has clearly affected me financially, I am glad that I am back to Wikipedia with the enthusiasm that I used to have a year ago. I am still working in a place from where I get USD 46/month. That USD 46/month not enough, I know, but, I'll adjust somehow, there is no other alternative. Did you ever feel "no one cares"??? I do, it is a tragedy, I am financially so lame that I can not do anything for me or others, I am awaiting for a miracle so that I get the mentioned job (I know it is difficult, but, I have lots of works to do there, even if they pay me USD 40-50 a month, I can do lots of community work.
As of now, I am back in Wikipedia with article creations/expansions etc. I sincerely pray to God that he gives me the job that I have applied for. Thank you. --Tito☸Dutta 10:59, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Jean Elie

Please see my statements at Talk:Jean_Elie#Notable.3F. Bearian (talk) 21:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

India

Hello, I mentioned verbatim what OED and EB mention within sources. However, User:Bladesmulti has been reverting them without offering a reason. Looks like he wants to push this to edit war. Also, mentioned some points on India talk page requiring dispute resolution. Kindly intervene / guide. Thanks. --Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 04:19, 25 October 2014 (UTC)Mayasutra

Tech News: 2014-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There was an issue with files from Commons on October 21. You could only see those with names between 140 and 159 characters by visiting Commons itself. [33]
  • There was a problem with cut and paste in VisualEditor in Firefox. It was fixed quickly. [34]
  • There was a problem with editing math in VisualEditor. It was fixed quickly. [35]

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will now come to Wikipedia sites every Wednesday, instead of every Thursday. [36]
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05:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

More proposals

Please move the following proposals:

Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hafspajen (talk) 14:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Kidnap (2015 film) and Truth (2015 film)

Please move

Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, you don't have to ask me anymore to move film articles. If you need a redirect deleted first, you can always ask me. As far as I'm concerned, you are off probation. Bgwhite (talk) 20:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Paragraphs inside list items

How are they redundant, and what problems do they cause with accessibility? 31.153.72.171 (talk) 20:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, will you please stop passing markup changes off as copy-editing? [43], [44] 31.153.72.171 (talk) 21:02, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Would you at least take a look at your markup before reverting me again? The first and last paragraphs aren't inside p tags, but the 2 middle ones are. How in the world is this "correct"? 31.153.72.171 (talk) 21:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
To add, the reason I've put all of them inside p tags is to preserve the margins. It looks odd when there's more spacing between paragraphs in a list item than there is between list items. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Would you stop writing. Everytime I press save, you have added something else. It is a copy edit, so I will continue saying that. <p> are redundant in lists as the list syntax already adds a p tag. So, you are just adding double p tags. Per WP:LISTGAP, you don't add blank space between list elements. Using the template fixes the problem. Per WP:Deviations, don't use html when there is a wikimarkup available. You will not find any <p> in any lists anywhere. This is standard list syntax for all lists. Bgwhite (talk) 21:45, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
No, list syntax doesn't add p tags. All you had to is open up the inspector in your browser of choice or look at the source. I didn't add blank space between list items; this is what blank space between list items looks like:
* item 1
* item 2
No, using the template doesn't fix the problem, whatever that problem might be. There's no wiki syntax for paragraphs inside list items. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes there is wiki syntax... template, * and #. In this case a template. This is a wiki, not html, use wiki first. Again, there is NO

TAG in any list on Wikipedia. This is how it is done on EVERY list in Wikipedia. You are adding a <p> for every list element becomes redundant. You know darn well a </li> does a carriage return, space. Same as a p tag. For the last time, there is no lists anywhere on Wikipedia that uses <p> for every list element. Bgwhite (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

This was the output the way I'd done it:
<ul>
  <li>
    <p> ... </p>
  </li>
  <li>
    <p> ... </p>
    <p> ... </p>
    <p> ... </p>
    <p> ... </p>
  </li>
  ...
</ul>
And this is how it is now that you've changed the wiki syntax:
<ul>
  <li> ... </li>
  <li>
    ...
    <p> ... </p>
    <p> ... </p>
    ...
  </li>
  ...
</ul>
Can you see what the issue is? The 2nd list item's first and last paragraphs are bare. This is obviously not semantic -- nor especially accessible, I garner. Also, like I've said above, the reason I wrapped single-paragraph list items inside p tags, is to preserve the margins. Otherwise, there's more spacing between the paragraphs of the 2nd list item than there is between list items. Of course, that's not necessary when none of the list items contain paragraphs. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Should I expect a reply? If you're gonna revert me, then it is courtesy that you engage. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
People have real lives, too, 31.*: eating, sleeping, working, families etc. The world is not going to end because of this issue. I've always found Bgwhite to be knowledgeable and reasonable when it comes to stuff like this but if the pair of you cannot sort it out then I suggest that either it is taken to the Village Pump or, perhaps better, you seek input from @RexxS: if and when he is willing. - Sitush (talk) 01:24, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
That's understandable, Sitush, but it's not like he's been off-wiki; he could've left a note that he'll be revisiting this at a later time, if that's the case. He did say "for the last time" above, which I thought might've been an indication he's not willing to discuss this any further. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 01:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I haven't checked on who has done what or when. Sometimes, though, it is better to walk away and do something else for a while. (I'm better at doling out that advice than actually doing it myself, I must admit!) RexxS has been pinged and I'd be surprised if he doesn't take a look at this when he has a moment. Meanwhile, the world keeps turning ... - Sitush (talk) 01:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
haha, well, it's time for me to go to bed, anyway, so I'll take the advice. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 01:46, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't work in a North American or European time zone. It is common for discussion to take several days because of time zone and people doing part-time work wiki.

Again, one does not do a
*<p>[ text ]</p>
*<p>[ text ]</p>
*<p>[ text ]</p>
Having p tags for every list item is not in any help page. It is not done in ANY article. This is the standard way to do things. I know it is not in any article because it is checked every day. Just like different journals have different styles, this is the house Wikipedia style. Wikipedia is not Facebook or your own website where you can do anything you want. Multiple people have edited that page and you do not own it. Other people will edit it and expect common formatting. If I didn't change it, then another person, such as Frietjes would have. I'm just repeating myself because you are using a technical point, when this is not a technical point. Bgwhite (talk) 04:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Having p tags for every list item is not in any help page. No, but using p tags inside list items is. You seem to think that keeping wiki syntax compliant with your checker there is more important than the actual output, but you've not made an effort to explain why. Wikipedia is not Facebook or your own website where you can do anything you want. Multiple people have edited that page and you do not own it. Neither can you do anything you want on wiki; stop trying to reprimand me or turn this into an ownership issue or somesuch -- 'cause it's quite clearly not one.
At this point, I will assume that you acknowledge the things I've said, though you've not responded to anything specifically. To me, three things are clear: a) {{Unbulleted list}} isn't an appropriate alternative; b) you absolutely do not want to see p tags anywhere; and c) the problem's not going away no matter how much we quibble here. How can we proceed?
Well, we could create a new template for lists with paragraphs, or see if we can modify some existing template to handle them properly. Do you have any other ideas? 31.153.72.171 (talk) 10:47, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Again, you do not understand. No new templates are needed because that is one of unbulleted lists's primary goals and it is done properly. P tags are NOT NEEDED ANYWHERE except for a bug in Wikimeda that causes them to be needed in ref tags. You want something that IS NOT USED ANYWHERE for purely cosmetically reasons. Two rules clearly say to use wikimark over html when wikimarkup is available. Why are you so special and your page is so special that you should get special treatment and rules don't apply to you? It is an ownership issue because you refuse to follow rules.
I'm not going to write anymore because it is clear that you don't think rules apply to you. Article stays as is until rules are changed. Bgwhite (talk) 20:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
You gotta be kidding me. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? 31.153.72.171 (talk) 20:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I've now posted about this here. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 20:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

In appreciation

The Special Barnstar
For your fine work on this website. And Adoil Descended (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

And Adoil Descended, thank you. That was one horribly written article. I'm surprised somebody didn't put a speedy delete on it. Bgwhite (talk) 04:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

The Nice Guys

Please move Draft:The Nice Guys to The Nice Guys - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Merge

Hello B, thanks for the relief. But here's a little problem (not big), would you please able to merge histories of a few drafts of mine? --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, I'm not sure. I haven't done it before. I can always try. Bgwhite (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
That's what we learn from, experiments. Okay here's the thing, my Draft:The BFG (film) was created on June 20, 2014‎ and another Draft:The BFG (2016 film) was created on July 21, 2014‎, which was a month after mine, and the film is not currently in-production, not even in 2-3 months more. So, merge the history of my draft into the later one, but keep the title of later one Draft:The BFG (2016 film). There are more drafts, I'll tell you later when it's done. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 08:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Assassin, No need to do a merge. One does merges on articles not drafts. As your article is the "better" one at the moment, I'd contact the editor of the other draft and have them add stuff into yours. I have to laugh at the title of the film, if one is a gamer, then it is a BFG (weapon). Bgwhite (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
No, I mean merge is needed here, it's been done already at Draft:The Jungle Book (2015 film). It'd help more contributions to the draft. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 08:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Assassin, I don't know how to do that. Best to ask the person who did Jungle Book. Bgwhite (talk) 18:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:36, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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