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[–]TabbooI coulda been somebody 71 points72 points  (9 children)

The tobacco companies finally won.

[–]BetHunnadHunnad 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Vaping companies did well financially at first but they never did organize well against this kind of thing and even if they did Tobacco has so much fuck you money to just toss into the incinerator I doubt it would've done anything.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I am truly disappointed that it happened but I suppose I can't say I'm shocked.

[–]Group_W_Bench 52 points53 points  (40 children)

Does anyone know the legislator(s) that sponsored this addition to the budget bill so I can hate them?

[–]GodOfVapes 55 points56 points  (38 children)

Dianne Feinstein was the main one but there are many cosponsors.

[–]Group_W_Bench 46 points47 points  (15 children)

Goddammit. I should have guessed. She needs to go, isn't she like basically senile by now?

[–]irondonkey1996 32 points33 points  (1 child)

It’s a shame that our older loved ones seem to slip away so quickly or before their time, but these dinosaur politicians that just suck the life out of us seem to remain for ever. Most of these peoples would be in a rest home by now if they weren’t in government. We need new faces and fresh minds all around.

[–]jay_dw10 year vaper 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Nancy Pelosi is 80 and Mitch McConnell is 79. These people can't have real lives.

[–]GodOfVapes 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Yeah...There are a lot of them that are just out of touch with reality and need to go.

[–]millerlife777 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Ya, only like 99% of them need to go..

[–]zelgadis6665438 22 points23 points  (7 children)

This country is an absolute shithole

[–]originalmattz 4 points5 points  (5 children)

What happens if i order from china. can they still go through ups like undercover or sum?

[–]domatron25 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Like it's literally confirmed. There are inside whistblower's that have said Chuck has tried to have a heart to heart with her about at minimum stepping down from all committees, because she's too far gone to be protected.

[–]firephly 8 points9 points  (0 children)

yes, even her aides said so

[–]kittenfuud 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She MUST be. She certainly didn't have these anti-progressive ideas 20yrs ago. SMDH.

[–]GrnTiger08 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Anything to get a penny from you and control your freedoms and liberties. That's the f'ing government for ya.

[–]firephly 10 points11 points  (3 children)

here the cosponsors email them!

[–]single_malt_jedi 9 points10 points  (1 child)

How am I not surprised Dick fucking Durbin and Tammy fucking Duckworth are in on this. Useless assbags.

[–]sainted_s 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Screw emailing them, fax their offices everyday with the benefits of vaping. Drown them in paper.

[–]GodOfVapes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What good will emailing them do? It's already signed into law.

[–]kittenfuud 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Welp... The title is "... preventing the sale to CHILDREN..." Couldn't ppl just send shops a scan of their ID that says they're over 21 with a photo of themselves holding up said ID? I know, I know, fake ID. But I would think posting a photo of oneself holding the clearly-in-focus license plus a copy of that self same license would circumvent all that. After all, signing a .pdf, etc., is considered legal and binding for $$$ deals, even if it could be photoshopped. Why not go that route? Better yet, have it notarized!! Do both!! Find out which format (I'm clueless here haha) is the most widely accepted in docu-signing and use that. Problem....... solved??

[–]GodOfVapes 10 points11 points  (10 children)

It won't satisfy politicians. It's more about taxes than anything. Online vendors already use third party verification to check age and if that fails they ask for a copy of your ID. There are really no solutions at this point. It's already signed into law. It is what it is.

[–]kittenfuud 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Looking at the bill, it would appear it's just lying there in the House since July, I don't see it signed into law. I'm no legal genius so I'm not sure what it means that there seems to be no activity on it since then. Am I reading it wrong? I'm not doubting anyone but I don't see in the congressional post anything about March 2021. All I see is July 2020 it was put to the House. Please help, I want to understand this and I'm obv not!

[–]GodOfVapes 2 points3 points  (3 children)

See how it says passed senate? It was wrapped into the budget omnibus at the end of the last year. You're looking at the passed USPS ban we're discussing in this thread.

[–]GoldenGonzoScrew VooPoo 22 points23 points  (1 child)

God damn I hate that shriveled up bitch.

[–]ChadC1985 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That goddamn bitch is trying to take my guns as well. Sorry not giving up vape or my guns!! I'll commit there crimes.

[–]tscc85 43 points44 points  (12 children)

Welp. Tomorrow the fedex ban starts. Kinda surreal this is happening. I’m just posting to say how disappointed I am in our federal government. Overseas they have vape shops in hospitals. In America they want you to smoke yourself to death while filling their pockets with money. I still have hope that maybe something will change with usps but it’s fading. I’m not sure why I’m writing this. I guess I’m just insanely bummed out. Stay off the ciggies people.

[–]zelgadis6665438 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Im buying around 2k worth of juice, when i run out i might literally shoot myself

Fuck this country i cant wait to die

[–]IceTrizzey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just move countries. I'm a felon or I would've left already. As soon as it's feasible I'm going to try to move to Holland. Keep your head up.

[–]Denangg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I bought enough to last me a year. If things aren’t changed by then I’ll just quit.

[–]PowerMonkey500 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I quit recently. It was easier than I expected.

[–]Timmah_1984 40 points41 points  (11 children)

Thank you for the update. I just ordered 6L of premixed 3mg base from liquid barn and I have another liter or two in my closet. My plan is to chuck most of that in the freezer and hope for the best. I usually only vape my mod in the evenings because I have a juul with refilable pods for work. I think I will have to quit vaping entirely but I wanted to buy myself some time so I can do it on my terms. I can't begin to express how disappointed I am with the Government over this. They've been trying to burn this industry down since 2009 and it's all about money and fear mongering. Good luck to everyone.

[–]Fkn_Impervious 6 points7 points  (2 children)

which refillable pods do you use? I keep a juul around as a last resort, mostly because of how expensive the pods are. they are definitely good for stealth vaping at work.

[–]Modonpl387 29 points30 points  (10 children)

I think that under the guise of protecting consumer health, or to prevent under aged users from getting vaping products, the real reason for this vape mail ban legislation is tax revenues. See tobacco bonds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_bond

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 17 points18 points  (6 children)

That is very likely the only real driving factor here.

[–]socialcommentary2000 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I can tell you, as someone who knows a person that works directly for one of the higher profile members of our Federal Legislature that the genesis for all of this restriction is parents complaining about their damn kids being hopelessly addicted to salts.

Like, that's it. If they wanted to go the tax revenue route, they would have slotted it into the same lane as actual cigarettes but they didn't, because on the other end of this you had educators and parents screaming at elected officials about their kids vaping in f*cking class.

And you know what? Those people vote. Consistently.

It doesn't help that Juul went ahead and took salts and started them out at 50mg/ml strength, which is absolute lunacy...and packaged them in fun fruity and sweet flavors to boot. That is just begging to have the hammer brought down on you.

And so it was brought.

It was inevitable really, in context.

[–]ShitAintRight__ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Call me crazy, but I have the craziest and the most bizarre solution to you know, this whole fucking situation.

This is going to blow the legislator's minds, you ready for this shit? Oh boy oh boy, I'm fucking ready.

All. They. Fucking. Need. To. Do. Is. Ask. For. ID. While. Delivering. Vape. Products.

That's it.

But, then what the fuck do I know about the legislation of a first world country which literally sells fucking guns to minors.

[–]DatNiGe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I more than understand that kids vaping is not an ideal situation, but to hear these karen... I mean parents in local courtrooms all across the country talk about how evil vaping and nicotine is and how they cant even recognize there own kid anymore, like you would hear from a parent dealing with there teen addicted to an actual drug that destroys lives and families like heroin or pills, but heavens forbid not a drug that is as harmful to someone as caffeine.

Nicotine just gets a bad rap because most associate it with cigarettes. And you wouldn't believe how great a percentage of this population actually thinks the thing in cigarettes that's bad for you and causes all the smoking related diseases is the nicotine. Other than nicotine being addictive, nicotine was actually found in studies to be as harmful to you as the chemically very similar drug caffeine. So knowing that and for the sake of the anti's argument, if you were to swap out the drug nicotine for caffeine, then how ridiculous there argument and dangerous drug associations really are. And the whole thing about nicotine having a negative effect on developing adolescent minds, I know is not completely false, even though that statement would be true of any drugs someone is injesting at that age. But guess what, those negative effects don't automatically stop because you turned 18 or 21 nowadays.

[–]Woodpit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The flavor excuse is so f’ing ridiculous and dishonest. Flavors are enjoyed by all human beings. Not directing this at you but it’s just outrageous that we allow these nanny-state fucks to regulate our lives like this.

[–]rupturedprolapseIPV3 + Aeolus Lite 2 27 points28 points  (43 children)

I jumped the gun a bit and ordered approximately 8 years worth of nicotine.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 18 points19 points  (7 children)

"jumped the gun" might be the wrong term.

I'm sitting on a few decades worth myself.

[–]aping46052 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’ll have over a decades worth before this crap all takes effect.

[–]ProfessionalHandJob 22 points23 points  (28 children)

Lol 8 years. Them rookie numbers son.

I bought enough 100mg base, attys, and mods to take me to the grave.

[–]rupturedprolapseIPV3 + Aeolus Lite 2 5 points6 points  (27 children)

Lol 8 years. Them rookie numbers son.

I bought enough 100mg base, attys, and mods to take me to the grave.

Tbh it's probably closer to 16 since I'm hoping to step down to 3mg depending on when I make more juice. Atomizer wise, I bought a profile rda/rta and an elder dragon. Not 100% sure how long those will last, figuring I should probably keep the orings lubed and pray.

[–]mrsc00b 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Pick up a set of digital calipers and measure the o-rings before they get worn. You can get all the o-rings you want from places like mcmaster-carr, etc.

[–]rupturedprolapseIPV3 + Aeolus Lite 2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pick up a set of digital calipers and measure the o-rings before they get warn. You can get all the o-rings you want from places like mcmaster-carr, etc.

Nice, already own calipers for 3d printing. Hadn't thought of checking mcmaster car for orings before.

[–]BathedInDeepFog 24 points25 points  (38 children)

This is a nightmare. I haven’t been able to find the tanks I use at anywhere close to the prices I used to get them for. I have limited freezer space and money to spend. I figured DIY could solve my juice problem, but that’s still a hefty investment and now it looks like nic will be a problem too. I initially started vaping primarily because it was so much cheaper than cigarettes. I don’t know what to do. I’ve never tried quitting altogether and it’s looking like I’ll have to. Maybe nicotine gum will be my future. This is so sad.

[–]ItsNotRabbit 13 points14 points  (2 children)

If you do quit (I'm also considering after I finish off my stash), the mints are better than the gum.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

higher concentration nicotine, 100mg/ml or 250mg/ml won't take up a ton of space in the freezer to get a couple year's worth on hand. Similarly there are (fairly recently) powdered nicotine products that, according to the manufacturer, can be dissolved into PG for use in vaping devices. which would, at the expense of having to do extra math, allow you to circumvent the need for freezer space so long as you have somewhere dry to store it.

What tanks are you using that you're having trouble sourcing them/coils for them? Honestly, if you've got the ability, the time to pick up a rebuildable atomizer or two would be now, or at least soon.

[–]needabiggerhammer 7 points8 points  (10 children)

If I was in your shoes, what I would do is get a couple older model RDAs like the Dead Rabbit V2 (one with the metal body, not that plastic thing they came out with). Should be able to buy them cheap.

Second get a liter of 100mg/ml freebase nic. Get it from someplace that already packs it in glass and when it comes in done open it and go strait to the freezer. 1L isn't that big (half the volume of a 2L bottle for a visual). Or if you can afford it, more than a liter. You can also go 250mg/ml so save more space at the cost of having to be a bit more careful handling. I would not go higher than 250mg/ml and if you can I would stick to the 100mg/ml (I find it is just easier to work with and would never even suggest the 250, but these are desperate times).

Everything else you should be able to buy later when funds allow. Flavors and cotton and all the rest have so many uses as long as you don't try and buy them from a vape shop you'll be golden. Before you crack open the nic you'll want to get smaller glass bottles to break it into, so until then just leave it sealed in the freezer.

Oh, and a Tauren Max RDA. Comes with an 18650 insert to provide protection like an unregulated while you get used to building for a mech, but if/when the chip dies you can take it out and it becomes a standard hybrid mech.

[–]noidontwantto 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I for one can't wait for the 510 regulated flashlight industry to take off and boom.

[–]kbkr 55 points56 points  (6 children)

I'm so baffled at the blindness of the number of jobs this is going to get rid of. Our government is made up of absolute fucking morons.

But I can still get delivery of alcohol from the local brewery, of course! Jesus Christ.

[–]Rapunzel_85 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I’m in Texas, we have DRIVE THRU margarita places and more and more keep popping up ... no wonder we are one of the worst places for drunk driving 🤦🏼‍♀️ But hey! You make sure those damn “vapers are punished for ... “ yeah I’m drawing a blank for a reason too

[–]Pipezilla 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Here in Cali, you order cocktails/beer/wine TOGO from a restaurant if you order food???

[–]meh4ever 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My marketing class project is a curbside/to-go premixed cocktail business. That’s how fucked the government is. I do alcohol and cannabis projects in college and my teachers give no flying fucks.

[–]FreeSpeechIsLegal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

but mention nicotine and people say you are "problematic"

[–]Geekers_Machine 15 points16 points  (10 children)

This is from Element Vape, my favorite website.

TS (Element Vape) Feb 21, 2021, 2:14 PM PST

Hi,

Thanks for reaching out to us. There will be limits on shipping services of vaping services starting in April.

Our team is still working to find a shipping solution for our customers within the U.S.

If there are any vaping products you are interested and it is in-stock, we recommend to stock-up. 

Thank you for choosing Element Vape over the years and we hope to continue serving you in the future

[–]Batches 14 points15 points  (5 children)

As a military member overseas, USPS is my only option, guess it is time to quit

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That sucks a bunch.

[–]keefd2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As a former military member overseas, I would get China orders shipped directly to my overseas house. It might be a different if you live on base, but in that case you can always ask someone who lives off base to accept a package for you.

If you're stationed in Europe, TPD might affect your orders, but if you order TDP-compliant items you shouldn't have issues.

[–]OrangeStarship 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Just posting because I want to be recorded in the reddit archive that on this, the 25th of March, I stand solemnly with all my fellow vapers. They won. I'm stocked for 3+ years, but I still am terrified. Blessed be to everyone feeling this hurt.

[–]azzanrev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to be recorded in the reddit archive that on this, the 26th of March, I stand solemnly with all my fellow vapers.

[–]Safe_Inevitable1525 2 points3 points  (0 children)

March 27th. With my Vapers.

[–]lil_smd_19 13 points14 points  (7 children)

What the fuck?!?!?! This is so fucking stupid, they have no valid reason to be putting this kind of pressure on the shipping services I am supremely disappointed in our elected officials. The stress this puts me and people like me under in this already stressful time trying to figure out wtf to do is annoying. We all know how happy big tobacco is with these new regulations and it’s ironic that soccer moms everywhere think this is a middle finger to them.

[–]dkdonuts 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Does this mean essentially all online D2C vape sites will go out of business?

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Unless someone can work out a solution that allows them to keep things afloat, yes.

[–]vApe_Escape\[T]/ 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I think the best option is to follow the online firearm sales model. Since they can't ship direct to consumer you order and pay online as usual and select a local FFL dealer to have it shipped to at checkout then the package gets mailed to them, you pay a transfer fee, and you get your items.

If you look at the FFL Dealer databases like here: https://www.ffldealernetwork.com/ you'll see everyone from big chain stores to just about every pawnshop and LGS in existence is listed. Anyone who meets the legal criteria gets added and anyone who wants can search it. Any website can ship to any FFL.

All online shops would still be able to do business, struggling local shops would get some needed income for little work on their end, and in a lot of cases you'd basically be helping to support two small businesses.

The problem would be getting local B&Ms to go along with it in any decent amount which sucks because we know it works. If it didn't everyone from big box stores to tiny pawn shops and local stores wouldn't do transfers and online gun stores wouldn't exist. Buying guns IRL is even worse than B&M vape shops as far as selection and mark-up. Just like with vaping pretty much everyone orders online and just has it shipped to them. Now that the shipping reqs are basically the same for ENDS and firearms I see no reason this shouldn't be the way everyone moves. Pretty much all the arguments you could make against this system for vape products has already been solved by the gun industry.

Of course even if everyone switched to this model seamlessly we still have the Deeming to deal with that's been slowly killing us for 5 years...

[–]bill_hilly 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I've thought this same thing. It would work if B&Ms would be willing to play ball.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of them would refuse as they now have customers by the balls. If you want to vape, you have to buy it from me type mentality.

We'll see.

[–]Tzipity 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Haven’t read all the comments and just catching up on what’s going on and I am just... devastated. I’m about 7 months off a 2pk/day habit and was really in the groove with vaping and happy.

I’m already living in a city with a flavor ban so was having juice mailed to family in another state then mailed to me. The existence of that flavor ban makes me think there’s little hope of any sort of system being worked out with the local B&Ms (and they’d only be allowed to do tobacco flavors anyhow...).

So... I don’t have a car. I’m in extremely poor health so much so that I don’t think I have the wherewithal to figure out sourcing supplies and making my own vape juice. And frankly between the poor health (I literally just got home from the hospital last night. Vaped the whole time I was admitted.), the pandemic, limited finances, etc I have so much in my plate already I honestly don’t know what I’m going to do. I really, really don’t want to start smoking again but given all that’s going on in my life, I’m damn sure not in a space to quit nicotine entirely. Fuck. I have no idea what to do. My health issues make nicotine gum and lozenges a non option anyhow so that massively complicated quit attempts in the past. Not sure how it would go now that I’m weaned off all the other chemicals and crap in cigarettes but my other issue is... I can’t eat. Like at all. All my nutrition and even fluids, I get through an IV. When id tried quitting with patches in the past the wild hunger I felt and could do nothing about made me crazy. Fuck.

Open to any suggestions but... yikes.

[–]curiousnaomi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's been a huge blow to the gut. I felt similar to you when I found out. It was dead wrong for them to sneak this into the covid relief bill. Why some ask? It has nothing to do with covid relief stimulus and if anything will harm many jobs....anyhoo...

I’m in extremely poor health so much so that I don’t think I have the wherewithal to figure out sourcing supplies and making my own vape juice.

To give you some words of encouragement if I can, DIY at least without nicotine is outrageously easy. With nicotine isn't too hard either, just having some kind of DIY calculator if you're not a math person is a big, big help. I needed one when I first started vaping, but it's just an online program you download and it tells you what ratios to mix. This calculator helps people get into the swing.

Honest to goodness, DIY might feel scary but it's very easy. One day I just stopped buying nicotine, and it's been great. Another thing that's nice about DIY is you can taper down much easier than those gas station pod products that seem to all be way too strong, imo.

I can’t eat. Like at all. All my nutrition and even fluids, I get through an IV. When id tried quitting with patches in the past the wild hunger I felt and could do nothing about made me crazy. Fuck.

I'm sorry. hugsx100. If you want DIY tips/resources I can try to give you more info in a DM later, gtg for now.

[–]noidontwantto 13 points14 points  (2 children)

must.. stop.. spending.. money..

[–]Letsriiide 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No kidding

[–]toramimi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Stimulus check hit, annnd it's gone!

[–]roundhousekeeper 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Everything is for the "sake of the Children" what a bunch of shit, they could care less about the Children. What they do care about is holding onto their seats for life.

[–]jdc6305 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Started vaping a year ago after 30 years of smoking. My lung compacity has increased 75%. What am I gonna have to go back to spending $300 a month on cigarettes? When I die from lung cancer medicare can suck it. I already paid for my healthcare.

[–]ravin187hadaly is god 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Gods work.

[–]TinyGoldCharm 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I honestly can't understand why FedEx and UPS joined in on this. Why not pick up the extra business? Seems like a no-brainer, unless there is something I'm missing. Extra paperwork requirement?

[–]momo88852 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I bet you lots of companies just gonna hide their name.

[–]mstave 6 points7 points  (0 children)

massive new regs requiring enormous amounts of pperwork regarding taxes etc increased liability - they still want the biz, but also want deniability - ain't no-one gonna check in the box

[–]noidontwantto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Liability.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I've been a smoker since the age of twelve and for the past two years i was smoking between sixty and seventy cigarettes a day, i have tried everything to get off them; gum, patches, even switching to chewing tobacco didn't help the craving. About a month ago I tried vaping as my last effort and boy do i wish it was the first. My breathing has improved dramatically in the short amount of time since my last cigarette, and i generally feel healthier all around. No longer do i get winded by simple tasks like exercising or climbing stairs, and my thanks go out to the extremely helpful vaping community. It's infuriating to see something that gave me a better life snubbed out by government and lobbyists who care only about their own wallets, wish there was something I could do.

[–]Mother_Punker 10 points11 points  (2 children)

This is absolute lunacy!! Why the hell don’t they just do what’s done in canada and ship it 19+ ID required on delivery? Stupid To be punishing adult vapers who have a right to something safer than cigarettes ffs. This has big tobacco written all over it. And such a idiotic time to do this when we’re trying to keep ppl at home and so many businesses have gone under through covid. Ya let’s go and tank an entire industry and create more job loss. Good grief!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

I’m wondering, if any actually survive that is, if US companies will still be able to ship it out of the country or if that will be restricted too. I diy so I’m not worried there but for hardware and shit...

[–]Geekers_Machine 12 points13 points  (1 child)

SourceMore website said that US shipping will be up and running still after mail ban with new shipping methods!!

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent news!

[–]IceTrizzey 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm literally about to quit vaping because of this. I'm so sick of this country and the ass backwards way they do everything.

[–]Efficiency-Then 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I'm unbelievablely pissed over this nonsense. What advocacy groups are pushing back? How can we fight this. Who is leading the charge. I love the adapt and overcome mentality, however this is outrageous and should be unnecessary.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

CASAA and SFATA have been pushing back but compared to the tobacco lobby and many other agencies that have been around a lot longer and have a lot more money they've always faced an uphill battle.

[–]EdibleMalfunctionOn loan from /r/DIY_ejuice 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Those groups lost that fight years ago.

[–]Cant_think_of_names9[🍰] 53 points54 points  (17 children)

This is so weird.

Vaping is about to be crushed because of nicotine, but weed gets more legal every day. It really makes no sense.

[–]YaGottadoWhatYaGottaGotta Stay wet. 64 points65 points  (13 children)

Both should be legal.

Tired of all the nonsense on controlling adults, and making things illegal doesn't make it harder for kids or teens get it in all honesty, I went to highschool when weed was still very illegal and knew at least 3 guys always holding.

[–]sarra1833 35 points36 points  (7 children)

I'm sick and tired of the govt treating grown ass adults ages 18 to 110 like they are 2 year Olds who need saving from themselves.

"Oh vaping is bad. Ban it. But keep cigs that cause cancer legal."

I loathe the government for doing that. It's so disrespectful to us grown ass adults.

[–]Rapunzel_85 10 points11 points  (2 children)

But let’s allow pop up liquor and margarita drive thrus to be legal. I can get alcohol delivered to my door in an HOUR or less. Or hell just visit my local drive thru margarita place and get smashed while drinking from my fucking to go cup while I drive down the freeway. Unbelievable some of these government morons

[–]SunshineCat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know multiple people with a parent dead when they were a teenager due to drinking. I don't know anyone who had a parent who died so prematurely from smoking, let alone vaping.

Everyone ignores that alcohol can kill a teen in one night of excess.

[–]ThatFurbush 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In New Hampshire, we have State run liquor stores at most highway rest areas. It's insanity.

[–]YaGottadoWhatYaGottaGotta Stay wet. 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yea...it's honestly insane, a couple grownups decide what's best for millions of grown ups...yea can't agree with that shit ever.

[–]BetHunnadHunnad 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Its not even that. Its just all about giving all the money to big tobacco by killing their competition. Any attempt to validate it like "its harmful, has lead, kids are vaping," is just to get the people who don't vape and have no fucking clue about it on board with the whole thing.

[–]James_Skyvaper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nevermind the fact that children do not have credit cards and can't order online without a parent. I'm in my 30s and just today had to send a picture of my ID to a site, so saying this bill is about protecting children is an outright fucking lie. I'm so disgusted and disappointed with our govt. I almost want to run for office myself because I feel like nobody is doing the right things or working on the actually important matters that mean something to real people. 95% of these politicians are sooo out of touch with the things that real Americans care about or struggle with.

[–]SunshineCat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First they want to work both parents half to death, then they turn around and say that they are now banning all your shit because you don't have enough time to supervise the kids.

[–]Lostmyloginagaindang 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Ecigs and re-usables take money from big tobacco. They lobby to get sales restricted so their pods can get more sales in local stores. Politicians get their campaign contributions and bribes, sorry - speaking fees - and can say they passed some health conscious legislation instead of actually doing that might resemble work.

[–]James_Skyvaper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Honestly this thing makes zero sense because KIDS DO NOT HAVE CREDIT CARDS and therefore can't order online unless a parent did it. I'm in my 30s and just had to send a picture of my ID to a site that I've ordered from before so to say this is about stopping kids from ordering online is bullshit. It's insane to say this is to protect children when only adults can order online. This is about destroying vaping and helping the tobacco companies, nothing else. Politicians have no idea that if they kept vaping alive and regulated it, they could have more taxes paid to the state, keep people healthier and paying taxes longer and eventually I would say vaping would overtake cigarettes, making more money than tobacco if our govt did the right thing like the UK and told everyone how much safer it is. If the 58% of people that think vaping is as bad or worse than cigarettes knew that it is actually much safer then they might quit smoking. This whole thing makes me absolutely LIVID

[–]TabbooI coulda been somebody 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It makes perfect sense when you follow the $

[–]t-roll13 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Ejuiceconnect will ship same way as 8vape. Their email announcement is nearly word for word as 8vape. So, as one of my goto online suppliers, they appear to have worked together somehow. They said they would when I reached out to them in a bid to stay alive. Although they are competiton, they understood some cooperation was required to survive. Good for them & us.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent news!

Thank you for the update

[–]drewdog173 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Just got this email today from Mech Sauce:

TIMES ARE CHANGING.....

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE!

OUR GOVERNMENT HAS OUT DONE THEMSELVES BY ADDING VAPE PRODUCTS TO THE PACT ACT. THEY ARE TRYING TO DEMOLISH ONLINE SALES OF VAPOR PRODUCTS. WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING ALL OF OUR LICENSING IN ORDER AND WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE NEW PACT ACT RULES. WE ARE WORKING WITH SOME INDUSTRY LEADERS TO ENSURE YOU CAN STILL GET YOUR VAPE MAIL. WE HAVE HIRED A COMPLIANCE COMPANY TO MAKE SURE THE RIGHT LICENSING IS IN PLACE. WE ARE WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY SHIPPER THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SHIP TO ALL 50 STATES BY MAY. THINGS ARE CHANGING VERY QUICKLY AND TO ENSURE WE DO NOT BREAK ANY LAWS WE WILL HAULT ALL ONLINE SALES FOR A VERY BREIF TIME PERIOD STARTING MONDAY APRIL 29th. AND ONCE WE HAVE THE PROPER LICENSING IN PLACE WE WILL TURN THE STATES BACK ONLINE ACCORDINGLY. WHEN WE DO GO BACK ONLINE THINGS WILL LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THERE WILL BE AN EXCISE TAX ADDED TO THE STATES THAT REQUIRE US TO CHARGE A TAX. WE HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE ATF AND WILL STILL BE ABLE TO SHIP DIRECTLY TO YOUR DOOR. WITH THIS NEW SHIPPING DEAL, SHIPPING COST WILL GO UP. WE HAVE BEEN TIRELESSLY WORKING TO STAY COMPLIANT THROUGH OUT OUR ENTIRE TIME WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS. WE HAVE JUMPED THROUGH EVERY SINGLE HOOP THE GOVERNMENT HAS THROWN OUR WAY AND WE DO NOT PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE.

I WANT TO REITERATE THIS WILL BE A TEMPORARY HAULT ON ONLINE SALES SO PLEASE STOCK UP ON YOUR FAVORITE FLAVORS THAT WILL HOLD YOU OVER FOR AT LEAST A MONTH OR 2 UNTIL WE CAN GET BACK ON TRACK.

IN THE MEANTIME, PLEASE TALK TO YOUR LOCAL VAPE SHOPS ABOUT CARRYING YOUR FAVORITE FLAVOR.

MECH FAM, WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, WE ARE IN THIS FOR THE LONG HAUL. WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED VIA EMAIL AND ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

PLEASE STAY PATIENT WITH THIS PROCESS.

WE SINCERELY LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AND WILL FIGHT UNTIL THE VERY END.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.

-Mech Sauce

[–]BrightDaikon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Is this for the entire USA ?

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes

[–]TheManFromCaboFace Down In Cabo… Kissing The Ground 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Re: Buying from Fasttech I swear I hope I type this in the right place, I don’t have my glasses. I saw questions earlier about Fasttech sales and shipping but now can’t find the posts. I made a $250sh order yesterday. For every hurdle Fasttech had a workaround. Basically it went like this: -Had only one choice for shipping but it was USPS first class. 10-20 day window. -No PayPal on vape -There’s a cap on how much you can buy at a time with any other form of payment.

The Workaround: I’m not trusting my debit card to anyone I can’t reach without a short drive so I bought a Visa gift card. You then use your card to buy Fasttech gift certificates and send them to yourself. They’re incremented and go to $200 but you can buy as many as you need 1 at a time. For example a $342.00 order would require you to buy a $200, $100, $40 and $5 gift certificate. These gift certificates are financed through PayPal 🙄 and you can use them immediately. Fasttech is also adding a % for free, my $200 gift certificate gave me a $206 credit. That covers what little you’ll lose rounding up your order total. Hope this helps people. Better order now though. They’re running out of almost everything I wanted.

[–]bloodmilkandsky77 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Just to let y’all know: I was supposed get a shipment from Vapor Authority today via USPS. Got a notification that they needed a signature from an adult to receive it. Of course I was at work, and will be all week. So I guess USPS is starting this crap already.

[–]zelgadis6665438 7 points8 points  (1 child)

wow i will probably kill myself this is literally bullshit like wtf

[–]armond21 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Is my understanding correct that business to business mail will still be viable? If so, have businesses considered using a method similar to online firearms purchases? For the unfamiliar, if I buy a firearm online, it has to be shipped to a dealer of my choice who then completes the background check, charges me a few bucks for receiving, and sends me on my way.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes and "maybe" respectively.

[–]cldzvp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Time to dust off the old gear.

Time to expand the nightshade victory garden.

Time to brush up on chemistry I-II

There is a time for everything. It's 1984.

[–]wheresandrew 9 points10 points  (16 children)

How long will nicotine last unopened and in the freezer if I wanted to stock up for diy?

[–]isuamadog 14 points15 points  (0 children)

fairly indefinitely. from word of mouth, i know folks who have vaped on 7 year old nic without issues. Assuming it's been handled and stored properly

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 13 points14 points  (14 children)

Functionally indefinitely if properly stored. (Amber glass bottles with polycone caps and argon/wine preserver used to push air out of the container

[–]DiSnEyOmG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is so sad this is happening. I quit smoking after 20 years about 2 years ago. I shop online because stuff is generally cheaper. I have started stocking up on nic juices.

[–]KoderFireStrike 5 points6 points  (9 children)

DHL announced yesterday that they'll stop shipping hardware.

[–]noidontwantto 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wow, that will super fuck imports from China, won't it?

[–]420Pussy_Destroyer69 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Element Eliquids is liquidating their US inventory

$5.99 Any 30ml salt nic

$7.99 Any 60ml

$9.99 Any 125ml

This covers all liquids listed including FAR Spray can liquids and Tonix.

[–]jtworks 9 points10 points  (27 children)

New here... what is the reasoning for this ban, and does this affect only the actual products containing nicotine, or all associated products with batteries?

[–]keefd2 24 points25 points  (24 children)

"For the children", or more cynically, to hand the entire vaping market over to Big Tobacco.

It affects all associated products that could be used in vaping, IF it's being sold by a vaping merchant. For example, cotton and 18650s sold by Amazon won't be as those are used in makeup and flashlights. Kanthal wire is used in furnaces. But if a seller is selling them along with eliquid and vaping devices, it's probably a no-go.

This affects even mech mods and rebuildables, even if no nicotine is being shipped. The way the law reads, if it's used in vaping, it is restricted from being shipped by USPS. FedEx and UPS being private companies have chosen on their own to disallow vaping shipments, but it would be up to them to determine which things they will refuse to ship.

[–]YaGottadoWhatYaGottaGotta Stay wet. 19 points20 points  (17 children)

Which is insane, because my dad orders leaf tobacco and never had to prove his age, last time I ordered 100mg nicotine from Nicotine River I had to send in a photo of my ID.

So it all seems insane to me and like an excuse to hurt vapers.

[–]chrissycookies 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Nicotine gum, patches, lozenges all sell on Amazon. Some even in bulk. This whole thing makes no sense

[–]i_wank_dogsDWYANE TYRONE MOTHERFUCKING WADE JR. 23 points24 points  (2 children)

They’re owned by pharma companies who pay lots of money to lobbyists.

[–]YaGottadoWhatYaGottaGotta Stay wet. 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Always comes back to this.

[–]meh4ever 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wanna know the thing that really makes no sense? You can buy Shisha Tobacco online. Have it shipped directly to your house. Pretty sure this bill does jackshit to stop that.

[–]keefd2 14 points15 points  (5 children)

And the funny thing is you can probably still order from Fasttech everything you could always order except liquid. You'd be taking a customs risk, but IMO the risk of your order being confiscated is low. My last order was marked as "filters". :-P

[–]MarkGleason 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I ordered from 3FVape about 10 days ago. From order placement to package on a plane in China was 48 hours. Cleared U.S. customs within 24 hours of landing. It has now however been languishing at DHL in the Chicago area for 7 days. I live 120 miles from Chicago.

There was only one shipping option available when I placed the order. I think it was $7 and change.

It’s my first order with 3F, and so far I’m impressed with their “out of China” time. Not sure what’s up with DHL.

Also, everything in my order was marked “ships in 24 hours”.

[–]Fkn_Impervious 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I used to make my own cigarettes with a machine that stuffed the tobacco into a premade paper with a filter attached. At a certain point the tax laws changed and my tobacco supplier had to start selling it as "pipe tobacco" and it was cut slightly differently, so it didn't work as well for RYO.

I had a pretty good racket going selling them for $2 a pack to some friends who had friends that bummed smokes from them all the time. They would still smoke their preferred brand but kept these around for when they ran out, and if someone asked to bum a smoke they always got one of my RYO's.

[–]ThatFurbush 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Incoming accidental stream of conscious nostalgia rant.

YESSSSS!!!

RYO was the original alternative. Well.. First I went to the cigarette sized flavored cigars because they were exempt from the massive cigarette taxes. When Marlboros were 4-5 a pack, those were a buck and a quarter. The State wised up to that loophole and closed it.
Next was RYO. A ton of places started carrying "pipe tobacco" and tubes with filters with the little filler machines. Mine is still buried in a closet somewhere. A couple of places even pulled the brilliant move of having this gigantic auto fill machine. You'd buy the tobacco and the tubes... load them up into the beast for a small fee and it would make your carton in ten minutes. a whole carton would cost ten bucks.
That lasted for a bit too.
But Daddy has to get his money, so that got outlawed as well "for the kids" even though it was generally head shops engaging in this practice, and you had to prove you were over 18 just to walk through the front door.
The first time I discovered vaping, it was prohibitively expensive.
Some kiosk at the mall. Like $200 for a cig-a-like starter kit. I thought it was cool, but Newport Reds were far cheaper.

Every time more ridiculous regulations are introduced to give tobacco an edge over the single greatest life saving tech in the last 50+ years, it makes me even more nostalgic for the old days.

2012
January. My girlfriend worked at Rite Aid and came home with a cig-a-like she bought for me at work. "21st Century Smoke" (Their website is still up and active. Go have a laugh). I liked it. It hit the spot. Even though I wasn't a menthol smoker, I preferred the menthol, because the tobacco tasted like unwiped ass.
I noticed I was actually smoking less. Naive me... I go online with the intent to see if I could possibly find the cartridges cheaper than at the store. I had nooooo idea this was a whole thing. A community. I fell down the rabbit hole deep. It started with an ego twist, and snowballed to a v1 Innoken MVP, some CE4 clearomizers, cartotanks, the Kanger Protank, Alice In Vapeland, Mount Baker, Grimm Green, Phil Busardo, Jimmy The Juiceman, Nova Broadcasting, Vapor Joes...

I learned so much about vaping in the first 3 months, you'd think I'd been doing it for years. I ended up hosting one of those Nova streams every week. Answering questions and helping new vapers troubleshoot problems. Back then? Nothing worked perfectly 100% of the time. Everything was at least a little fiddly. This fucking community. Even when there was drama, we were all on the same team. Back when if someone saw you vaping in public, they had questions and you had answers.

Before cloud comps. Everything was mouth to lung. I didn't even SEE a vape shop in real life for the first 2 years. I remember drilling out my RSST to 3mm and actually asking someone if I'd ruined it by making the hole too big. Learning to rebuild Protank coils and having a tacklebox FULL of kicked heads to rebuild. The Duke. "What the fuck am I gonna do with 50 watts?" A Provari meant you were a real and dedicated vaper.
I never had one.
When they went down, I regretted never getting one.
Vaping worked. It caught on.
When it started to blow up, it was fun and cool that people were finally switching over. When I stopped getting weird looks every time I took a toot in public. If we had the gear back then that we do now? The pod stuff etc.?

I likely never would have turned this into a hobby. I'd have stayed happy with my Drag S and never given it a second thought.

I wish I could remember the exact moment when everything changed. When that cool little online community got buried in "The Gold Rush".

I miss it.
So much.
And this shit?
My only glimmer of hope is that this Vape Mail Law forces vaping underground and we get that community back.

TL;DR

RYO was cool, and it pushed over the first domino that led me to vaping. I miss the old, small online community. Sigh.

[–]James_Skyvaper 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Which is totally ridiculous considering CHILDREN DON'T HAVE CREDIT CARDS to order online, not to mention the fact that almost every site has some sort of age verification. I literally just had to send a picture of my ID to a site that I've ordered from before and I'm in my 30s. This govt overreach is disgusting and I wish there was something we could do. I wish I had the money and time to go to DC and protest, yell in everyone's face that signed this bill the facts about vaping as they leave Congress. I'm so disappointed in our govt, it's insane that they're legalizing weed and hallucinogens, but we can't have any nicotine or flavors, cuz God forbid children use nicotine even though kids have done what they're not supposed to for centuries and kids smoke cigarettes too so it's not the flavors that get them vaping. They don't ban alcohol or cigarettes cuz kids use them, and those things actually kill people for fuck's sake - HS kids die in drunk driving accidents all the time. Then there's the fact that teen smoking is at the lowest it's ever been in large part due to vaping, which should be a good thing. Honestly a lot of these politicians think that nicotine is the dangerous chemical in cigarettes and have NO idea that vaping is proven to be 95% safer than smoking cuz they're completely out of touch.

This whole thing pisses me off to no end. They're literally installing vape shops inside hospitals in the UK and fucking prescribing vapes to smokers but here they'd rather you smoke and get cancer so they can make all the tobacco and pharma money because they care far more about profits then they do citizens' lives. We really need to band together and protest in DC if we want this to change. We literally need at least 50% of the vapers in this country to show up in DC and protest until things change. They always talk about "trusting the science" and then use flawed and unrealistic studies that were paid for and sponsored by tobacco lobbyists and don't trust the actual science at all, like the Royal College of Physicians studies that prove how much safer vaping is. They use older studies where iron lungs vape nonstop and end up taking countless dry hits, drastically effecting the results, which would never happen with an actual person because the dry hits would immediately make you stop. Fuck the government.

[–]OneScoobyDoes 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Wilo this ban apply to hardware too? My state just legalized medical marijuana. So im switching from opiates to flower. I was going to hold off for a while before iI bought a Mighty and some accessories, which is going to bump me to over $300. Our dispensaries wont open till August, and was going to wait till then to get the most of my warrentee, but maybe iI should just buy it now? TIA

[–]whoneedsmeme 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Thank you very much for this post! We hope to see you all over at Freeman vape juice, we can not thank Reddit enough for doing so much for this community. The moderators are true gents and if we come up with a solution we will be in touch with you all and every vendor.

[–]Macktologist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks Paul!

[–]d-babs 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Can I go 5 minutes without a freeman vape commercial. We get it, you're closing. Any day. Maybe. We'll see.

[–]the_intrepid0ne 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Thanks for putting this together, Forment. Good to see Bull City and Flavor Jungle won't see any ill effects of this.

Anyone have any word from Wire Optim or Advanced Vape Supply? I'd think they'd be ok, but one can never tell. Especially AVS since "vape" is prominently in their name. I wonder if they're considering a rebrand much like Wire Optim did a while ago.

[–]checkmak01 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not sure if this can go in the megathread or separate, worth to take a look tho:

Postal Service, Unpublished Proposed Rule (invitation to comment in 2 days)

Treatment of E-Cigarettes in the Mail

[–]Jxmpy 3 points4 points  (7 children)

So... i'm guessing now's a bad time to get back into vaping?

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I guess it's a matter of what you expect out of the whole endeavor.

Juice and devices will get harder to source in the fairly near future unless you've got a decent brick and mortar store near you.

In truth, the future of vaping in the US is going to become one of two things for most individuals. Either you'll have to become fully self sufficient in making your own juice and using rebuildables, potentially have devices shipped to you from China and gamble on customs seizures or the route it appears that the government is most keen on, buying prefilled small pod type devices (think Vuse/Juul) with whatever associated tax rate is tied to them by your state and/or the federal government.

It's certainly not the best time to get into vaping, but if you're trying to quit smoking, a restrictive set of options for vaping is still likely to be a better option to get to actually quitting than any of the pharmaceutical company's NRT solutions.

[–]SauceBoss1549 4 points5 points  (14 children)

Well Fellas... just spent $400 on product to stock up. It was nice knowin yas

[–]senatorpjt 6 points7 points  (8 children)

I bought $700 worth of nicotine. I calculated it will last me 60 years, if it stores that long.

[–]polpotwasright 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I only just learned about this.

Nearest vape shop is maybe two hours from my house, so just popping by to pick up mail or buy direct from them isn't the easiest thing. Plus I use a high enough nicotine content that stores don't carry what I use. And then my state banned stores mixing it for me.

I had to move to DIY because it was really my only way to keep vaping.

Stupid do-gooders who want to control what I do. I sure hope this doesn't end up meaning that getting supplies is halfway impossible.

If so, this won't result in me quitting vaping; it'll result in me going back to smoking.

[–]F4STW4LKER 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Going back to smoking is what they want you to do, as they have a financial stake/interest. Don't give them the W. Stock up now.

[–]TheManFromCaboFace Down In Cabo… Kissing The Ground 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sorry for any repeats but I’ve used these this week. One was actually 10% instead of 15% but they were all legit.

Discount Codes -Giant Vapes GETDEAL (-15%) -18650BatteryStore TIMMERZ10 (-10%) -MyVpro GRrAJCKaDB (-10%) -VaporDNA DNA10 (-10%) -VaporDNA MILITARY (-20%) with Military ID -Wire Optim LV15 (-15%) -Bull City Flavors VU6 (-6%) (I didn’t look but you can sometimes find a 10% BCF online) -Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers ELRECIPES (-15%) -IMRBatteries freebies page imrbatteries.com/coupons/ Edits: -I wouldn’t be surprised if LNW excludes nic from any discounts. -Giant Vapes had some hard to find h’ware and good $. -MyVPro had the most of what I was looking for. Reasonable $ as well.

[–]Silverfox1921 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Is it still legal to ship nicotine free juices?

[–]azzanrev 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"Hoosier ecig" is still shipping and said that they will continue until they can't any longer!!! They also have some nice sales on vapes. I've been a customer of theirs for a long time and have never had a problem, so don't worry.

[–]EndlessHungerRVA 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Fuck! I haven’t been in here in a couple years, just been going about my business. I wasn’t really paying attention to the news about vaping, forgot about whatever the Trump admin did to fuck it up.

I’m an unflavored nic salts guy, and for all the supposed BS pertaining to “flavor”, I’m getting totally screwed. I just finished my stock and went to Nude Nicotine’s site - I know, at least in the old days, some people had problems with them but I never did and I loved their product and all the money I saved thanks to enjoying unflavored. RIP to them. Although, as they’re saying, I hope they find a way, and same for every other company who has saved my lungs and life over the last 7 or 8 years.

I apologize for not taking part, not paying attention as this was happening, and not speaking up to try to help stop it. I’ll do better, because seriously this has IMPROVED my health, how fucking idiotic do outsiders have to be to not understand? Did this all stem from them getting mixed up about us and kids vaping Vitamin E THC concentrate?

[–]Rapunzel_85 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But you can have liquor delivered right to your door with a few presses of a button! Don’t know anyone who’s gotten behind the wheel of a car and killed someone else because they were messed up on vaping ...Yeah stupid just like this ban 🤦🏼‍♀️🙄

[–]Vapelord716 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Clearly The us government is only doing this for money

[–]Forestore 4 points5 points  (3 children)

So dumb. Could we try to be this reactive to something that's killing Americans like covid or maybe smoking? But no, we get too much in taxes from smoking.

[–]KoderFireStrike 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I wonder if I can sue the government for profit loss.

[–]Mother_Punker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe y’all should gather and file class action suit.

[–]JuicyGonorrheaNodule 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sorry to see Bombies go.

[–]ProfessionalHandJob 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they were my go to for the entire time they've been in business. I've stocked up on nic base and am switching to DIY, but i've got a few months of bombies left.

Still put in a symbolic order of 1 last bottle today.

[–]httr_barbarian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a valued customer, we wanted to make you aware of federal regulatory changes that will impact our ability to ship products from --------. Federal legislation was passed at the end of last year prohibiting the United States Postal Service (USPS) from delivering vapor products directly to consumers. As a result, major private carriers such as FedEx and UPS have also voluntarily decided that they will cease shipping all vapor products, including JUUL, at least for now.

The federal legislation is intended to prevent online sales to minors and ensure tax compliance. Although we rigorously verify age for all ------- users and adhere to tax requirements, we are still impacted.

What does this mean for me?

Until Thursday, April 22, there will be no changes to your ------ benefits and any Auto-Ship subscription orders scheduled before Thursday, April 22 will ship as planned. For now, your last day to purchase online and utilize ------ benefits will be Wednesday, April 21.

After Wednesday, April 21, online sales and your Auto-Ship subscription will be paused until we have a new delivery partner in place, and you will not be charged. Please know that we are working diligently to find a new delivery solution to cause the least inconvenience to our valued customers.

[–]420Pussy_Destroyer69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Roadside vapes 50% everything store wide w/ coupon code "HALF" free shipping on orders $25+

[–]large_bush 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Anyone know of places that are still shipping hardware? I wasn't aware the free world was crumbling and I missed the window. Thankfully got a few years stocked in the freezer.

[–]trshqueen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Call your chemist friends and your engineer friends. We need to go beyond diy juice and coils. We need to figure out how to synthesize our own nicotine like, yesterday.

[–]cjinct 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Wow, great to see it all listed like this - thanks for doing it!

Has anyone reached out Heartland, MFS or Wizard?

And just because it should always be said, Bull City is awesome :)

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'll reach out to them today to get their takes.

[–]djrbxNov 2009 (OG Vapor) - Tesla Stealth 40w / SXK Kayfun Prime 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Can someone clear something up for me? With all these restrictions going into place, why is it that hookah supplies can still be sold direct to consumers?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Hi! As a Vape Shop Online Wholesale Distributor, a big part of our business is dependent on shipping products across the country. Fortunately, we’ve been able to keep up with the mail ban requirements so far. But many smaller businesses haven’t.

We’ve found success in keeping our business going by applying two main strategies:

  1. We offer to act as a vehicle for smaller businesses and clients that cannot meet the shipping requirements without taking a substantial hit to their business.
  2. We’re using smaller private shipping carriers as opposed to big-name shipping carriers like UPS, FedEx, etc.

[–]L-33 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I hope every single legislator who signed off on this bill get their legs broken.

[–]TrulyVapes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Buy 1 Get 1 Use Code:TRULY

[–]tscc85 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This is such a bummer. I will be placing my final DIY orders this week. I should be set for 2.5 to 3 years. When I get close to the end of my supply I will either slowly reduce my nic to quit and or see what has changed shipping wise. This place has kept me off cigs for almost 4 years. Thank you Reddit and thank you vaping. I won’t give them the satisfaction of going back to cigs.

[–]ProfessionalHandJob 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I received responses from a number of cannabis vape hardware retailers. One specifically mention removing 510 devices from their inventory. I'll post them as replies to this comment.

[–]4j3c 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ive been off and on vaping for years now, and I am proud to say for the first time in 13 years, I haven't had a cigarette in a week thanks to vaping. I can't believe this is what it's coming down to. I won't go back to cigarettes, but christ, come on!

[–]OneScoobyDoes 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Thanks for that. There's no way my dispensary will be selling a Mighty for $254 out the door, so I'll order it next week.

[–]centerpiece909 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Apparently got vape wholesale has "made all the necessary changes and filled out all required paper work..." To continue shipping through UPS.. They mentioned it on their youtube channel, the quote is a response to a comment said today...

[–]fickentastic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure you have received this but this is from River Supply:

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PACT Act 2021 Business Form

IMPORTANT NOTICE

To ensure your account remains compliant under upcoming regulations we are requesting that an authorized representative or the owner of your business fills out the form below providing as much information as possible. 

Starting April 1st, if you have not submitted the requested form to us, we unfortunately will no longer be able to provide your business with a handful of important products from our store. Act now and please do not hesitate to provide us with this information. 

Additionally, starting April 1st, shipments containing nicotine will be shipped via freight only to authorized businesses, while non-nicotine shipments will be able to ship via standard ground services. Although methods of delivery may be different that usual, River Supply Co. is dedicated to ensuring that your authorized business will be able to receive the products you require.

The River Supply Co. team is working tirelessly to meet the requirements and deadlines for all interstate and federal regulations. Your cooperation in providing this information to us in a timely manner is greatly appreciated. 

Thank you for your continued support. 

[–]pepperspry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For users of GreenSmartLiving 510 battery with replacement cartridges: The 5-pack of cartridges is normally $14.99 plus too much tax and shipping when ordered from the company. A low-profile alternative is $9.99 per 5-pack when a quantity of 10 or more is ordered at TobaccoParadise.net, near Houston TX. The price includes the tax. Two-day shipping is always $7.00. Only regular, menthol and a new variety of regular are available; 4 strengths from 0 to 2.4 are available. They’ve informed me that they will stop shipping when the vape law for dummies takes effect. It’s not a close-out sale but it has been the best price anywhere afaik since I found them in 2016.

PS A gripe. As I wrote in a previous post, the dummies in our government relied on genuine junk science in the process of deciding how to expand the oppression of the people another notch. Though clearly addressing medical concerns, no co-author of the study they fell for was an M.D. Two of the authors moonlight as expert witnesses in anti-vaping lawsuits. The rest had publishing records that indicate a preference for a point of view over actual knowledge-building. Well, the coronavirus fiasco caught the medical messaging complex with its silk pajamas down around its swollen ankles last year, and the four years of Donald Trump’s attempted presidency revealed to us that we do not have credible lawmakers engaged in a credible lawmaking effort, so I guess it is infantile to complain.

[–]justaskinstufff 2 points3 points  (1 child)

i’ve been using white cloud e-cigarettes for almost 2 years now. i just got the email saying they’re shutting down selling to US customers.

i have no idea what the fuck i’ll do now. i live in new york city and there’s “vape shops” everywhere but i don’t know what they’ll sell or how much it is or any of that shit. i don’t know anything but white cloud. this is so fucked up.

[–]joshbeat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Prepare to be ass fucked at b&m shops. Near me it'll cost $70 for a smok nord kit, and another $30 for 60ml of juice. Prices will only go up from there once this ban kicks in

[–]Barbarake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just got an email from DFW - they will be suspending on-line ordering when the USPS implements the PACT related ban on shipping. According to the email, they "have been unable to find a viable and affordable shipping solution for customers who order online".

[–]ravia[🍰] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can anyone come up with plausible numbers of people who are likely to start smoking gain, and therefore, an expected cost in deaths as a result of this policy?

[–]mrsmonstera 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know I sure as fuck will if I can’t get my shit anymore

[–]glogle 2 points3 points  (6 children)

If I am mixing Juice will I be able to buy more nicotine base? or am I fucked

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Nic is presently looking like the only hurdle for DIYers

[–]glogle 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So i should stock up now and hope i dont run out for 1 and a half years.

[–]Foment_lifeSeto Kaiba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, yeah.

It's not too hard to use a vapocalypse calc and see how far in the future you can punt the problem with a little planning.

[–]captaingoodshiplolli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just FYI kite in cloud has a 50% off sale using code GREEN thru 3/25/21

[–]halocigs20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Due to the PACT Act Halocigs will no longer be selling Vape Products Online After March 24th.

Stock Up Today and Get $100 Off Your Purchase Of $400 Or More

Use Code: LONGFUNRIDE

[–]blindlookout1134 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://ejuice.deals/ still shipping, just got order today, say they will ship up to the last day as possible. https://www.ejuiceconnect.com/ order received today also.

[–]williger 2 points3 points  (10 children)

For those of us who waited until the last possible minute to order, where can we buy unflavored nicotine? Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers only offering 5-gallon drums for $300-$325 (3mg - 6mg) which is a bit more than I'm interested in spending.

[–]Mike2475 2 points3 points  (5 children)

After the vape mail ban kicks in will friends be able to legally ship each other vaping hardware? Will r/ecigclassifieds continue to operate?

[–]azzanrev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Made my final purchases... 1500ml of 100mg/ml VG salt nic, two Lost Vape Prana's($15 shipped, I had to), two new Uwell Yearn's, and 40 Uwell Yearn replacement pods. I hope this lasts me a long time. This is a very sad day. Good luck to all of you.