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[–]wulfrickson 48 points49 points  (21 children)

I had a passing thought the other day: What happened to otherkin?

Quick reminder: otherkin are (were?) wacky teenagers on Tumblr who identify as non-human animals on a level deeper than simply having a spirit animal (though the exact metaphysics of their claim aren't quite clear). They often describe themselves using language such as "wolf trapped in a human body." Back in 2013 and 2014, otherkin were everywhere: TumblrInAction and similar "tumblr dot txt" sites posted otherkin quotes frequently (the first entry on TiA's list of common reposts is still an otherkin claiming that ze runs around wearing a a fake fox tail during meetings with zir therapist), social conservatives used otherkin as a reductio ad absurdum of transgender identities, SSC commenters speculated on whether they might have exotic forms of dysphoria à la Body Identity Integrity Disorder. Now, until I went Googling for examples for this post, I don't think I've seen a serious discussion of otherkin in years.

So what exactly happened? Have the wacky Tumblrteens moved on to a new fad? Have the Extremely Online people found higher-stakes issues to argue about? Transgender issues certainly haven't become less prominent since 2014, but have they perhaps reached a threshold of acceptance among socially liberal but SJ-critical people (like how even early-2010s TiA was quite LGB-friendly) such that there's less interest in making fun of trans people by proxy? Speculation welcome.

[–]Wintryfog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The one person who I know who is like that continues to be like that, it just appears to have dropped off the discourse radar.

[–]Cthulhu422 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Have you heard of the recent phenomenon of Hamilkin?

(And yes, it's exactly what it sounds like).

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

> (And yes, it's exactly what it sounds like).

Not really, because I was thinking of Mark Hamill.

[–]mister_ghostwouldn't you like to know 13 points14 points  (0 children)

(And yes, it's exactly what it sounds like).

I was picturing people who feel they are Mark Hamil. So no, it is not

[–]gattsuru 29 points30 points  (0 children)

There's still a pretty decent number of otherkin (more often under the name therianthrope) in the furry fandom. A lot of what's changed is simply that they've gotten a lot less visible: in the 00s, there was an active movement from more of the photogenic shamanism/paganism sort to try and produce an actual group, but it became increasingly obvious that this wasn't going to work and only really resulted in people getting singled out. So most people argued internally against it, and those who tried anyway started getting smacked by the social media bat, and eventually things went more toward the old wereweb style. So while there's a little bit on tumblr still, most everything's moved to more private spheres. With the advent of Discord, it's become far easier to do so entirely.

There's still stuff that's normie-visible, but it's usually bland enough that it's not really worth mocking, and as a reducto ad absurdum "attack helicopter" seems to have been the preferred matter. The death of Stalking Cat in 2012 seems to have accelerated that. The few exceptions tend to be along the lines of Beast: The Primordial, written by and for outsiders without much introspection or even overlap with the topic they're borrowing from.

[–]ryeixn 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Otherkin became a liability to the LGBT movement (particularly the T aspect); when "I sexually identify as an attack helicopter" became a meme the SJW community basically declared that "identifying as" anything other than some gender label was a bigoted attack on trans people - which left the people identifying as Astral Moon Demiwolfkin out in the cold.

[–]Stefferi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...how big a part of the LGBT movement was even ever aware of the otherkin existing?

[–]HeckDang 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It was never a particularly large phenomenon. It received outsize attention relative to how pervasive it was simply due to how weird it sounded. It's still pretty much the same size as it was, but it's not novel anymore so no-one talks about it.

People still like taking the most extreme or weird examples of communities and talking abd laughing about how crazy and weird they are, that part of the phenomenon is still going very strong. It's related to the toxoplasma effect, some stories just have memetic fitness.

[–]Mercurylant 42 points43 points  (4 children)

I was a member of a community with a strong otherkin presence back around 2003-2006. It might be mostly based on where I spent my time afterwards, but it seemed to me like the otherkin community was already significantly in decline by 2013 or so.

This is mostly wild speculation, but I kind of suspect that increasing awareness of transgender issues may have increased marginalization of otherkin, because otherkin have a propensity to make transgendered individuals look bad. The Attack Helicopter meme became widely despised in social justice circles, first for being extremely overused, and second for not really engaging with the positions of the people it was being used to argue against, since among other issues, nobody is actually asking for systematic social accommodations for their self-identification as an attack helicopter. But, there genuinely are quite a lot of otherkin, who actually do identify as nonhuman creatures, sometimes as fantasy beings that don't even exist in reality. The prospect of having real people who identify as creatures whose psychological experiences they could not realistically have, and who might ask other people to respect that self-identification if they felt they could get traction for it, is pretty troublesome for a position that argues that people should be allowed to define the terms of their own identities. If there actually are people whose self identifications are about as absurd as people who identify as attack helicopters, it really calls into question the notion that people won't come up with absurd and unwarranted self-identifications in the face of the social inconvenience that poses, and so we can trust people's self-identifications to be genuine and meaningful.

[–]nullusinverba 8 points9 points  (1 child)

There genuinely are quite a lot of otherkin, who actually do identify as nonhuman creatures

I assumed the whole phenomenon was 95% satire/trolling. Would you say the kind of stuff that shows up in TiA accurately represents the community? If so, I have a lot of priors to update..

[–]Mercurylant 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I had to do a bit of googling to work out what TiA actually refers to, so honestly I couldn't say; I've mostly avoided it for my own mental health as long as I've known of its existence. If you want to give some specific examples, I could let you know how representative they are of my experience.

[–]wulfrickson 18 points19 points  (1 child)

increasing awareness of transgender issues may have increased marginalization of otherkin

Who exactly started doing this marginalization, though? Otherkin never really had active allies. The best things I ever heard non-otherkin say about otherkin were along the lines of "they're silly but as long as they're not harming anyone, they should be left alone."

[–]Mercurylant 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I heard a lot more supportive rhetoric than that from non-otherkin when I was in a community with high otherkin presence, but my impression was that in livejournal communities, which were kind of the breeding ground for a lot of what has become mainstream in SJ culture, they transitioned from something of a peripheral demographic to a practical nonentity, while the general levels of respect and tolerance afforded to them declined.

I'm not certain whether this reflects a real trend over time though, since I wasn't participating in the same communities persistently throughout.

[–]Clark_Savage_Jr 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I just checked back in on a person from my high school that was part of that whole thing.

Their Facebook is currently full of anti-Trump posts, posts decrying anyone blaming mental illness instead of white men for evil existing in the world, pictures of some MLP photoshoot, and drawings of their multiple "others".

I'm not on Facebook more than once in a blue moon, I don't Tumblr, I don't interact with anyone on Twitter who makes that a large part of their identity (though apparently I'm on some sort of mass blocklist) and IRL the weirdest people I know are flat earthers, which is at least something that's in the physical realm to discuss.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

There was some recent drama surrounding an otherkin that was abusing animals. I'm pretty sure he's in legal trouble now. Heard about it through one of MrMetokur's streams.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I thought otherkin was a term that included furries.