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[–]_julain 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Interesting. As of yesterday I finished a similar experiment, except I microdosed ~25-35ug a day for two weeks.

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    [–]_julain 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    I will! I'm waiting a week until I can look at the results from a totally un-drugged perspective.

    [–]George_Burdell 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Any preliminary thoughts to share?

    [–]_julain 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Well, I took a low dose of vyvanse with it too. First week was awesome, felt incredibly motivated and like my problem-solving abilities had been "unlocked." It wasn't an amphetamine-like motivation, either. Hard to explain. The second week I was just burnt out, a bit spacey, and my focus and motivation were pretty low. That's probably just as much from the vyvanse as the acid. Today is day one with no psychoactive substances and I feel fine so far, just a bit unmotivated and apathetic.

    [–]George_Burdell 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Hey, maybe you're just naturally apathetic and unmotivated like me!

    Thanks for the thoughts, I look forward to reading your whole post whenever you get your motivation back!

    [–]_julain 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, but that dopamine downregulation makes it a lot harder to get anything done!

    [–]machete234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    In Fadiman's book he writes you should micro dose every 3 days maybe this wouldnt have happened then.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    and?

    [–]_julain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'll make a post about it in a week or so. I want some time to think about the experience and see if there were any unexpected positive/negative effects after I stop.

    [–]EnLilaSko 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Have you quantified it?

    [–]_julain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    No, it was a very unscientific experiment. It was much more of a "I wonder what would happen if..." idea.

    [–]lsdherolsdhero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've also used 25-35ug as a microdose but at 1 week apart due to my schedule, either alone or with 10mg of methylphenidate after reading that 60s field report of using LSD and ritalin in a clinical setting. With the methylphenidate it's much easier to study than without.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (11 children)

    microdosing psilocybin was more profound and beneficial for me

    [–]synesthesis 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    I agree. I microdose L for the moment because it's easier to get than shrooms, but psilocybin really gave me the world persepctive I was looking for and made every situation extremely maleable.

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      [–]synesthesis 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      Hard to explain. Let me pull from Dr. Carhart-Harris' work to hopefully give an idea.

      Psilo is known to cause a blending between two usually opposite networks. The Task Positive Network (TPN) and the Default Mode Network (DMN). These aren't exact models, but work for our purposes here. Basically they allow me to combine daydreaming and attention in a way that they flow from one to the other more fluently. Normally the default mode is relaxed, eyes closed, doing nothing in particular but daydreaming, and this disappears almost entirely when attention is called up for a task.

      So what I found was that I could in a sense transfer knowledge or understanding from one network to the other, and in this way gain insight.

      From this, I learned that I have control over my immediate environment. That's something that had been taken from me for one reason or another when I was young. I used to feel like a passive observer, and now I feel like an active agent. This is what I mean by a maleable environment.

      As for doses, I didn't weight them out. I capped powdered mushrooms (from coffee grinder) into 00 gel caps as tightly as I could. Did this day on/day off, sometimes more time off to preserve the doses and tolerance.

      I knew about how much I was getting, but couldn't tell you now because it's been a while and I forget how much/how many I ground up and capped. Also used half the powder for tea and took the girl to the art gallery and never officailly tracked my doses.

      [–]SyncoBeat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Very interesting post! It absolutely corresponds to my experiences microdosing shrooms.

      What was your time-table for dosing, i.e., once or twice a week? More, less? Shroom tolerance builds so damn quickly.

      So what I found was that I could in a sense transfer knowledge or understanding from one network to the other, and in this way gain insight.

      Could you give an example of this?

      [–]synesthesis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Say I'm in a brain science lecture, and the prof mentions that cerebrospinal fluid is used to cushion the brain and has a bunch of proteins and stuff to maintain cell function. I remember reading in a journal not that long ago that the ventricles where the CSF lies is lined with stem cells. That's a pretty radical idea to me, and it isn't mentioned (and is presumable unknown) by the prof.

      The moment this happens, I would normally move into a default mode, likely recollecting my understanding of how that all works, and I would lose focus on the lecture. So when I come back, there are chunks of the speech I didn't catch because I was busy daydreaming about brain systems.

      But with psilocybin, I find that I'm able to keep this kind of cognitive exploration in check, allowing me to hear the lecture and attach it to my default network thinking.

      This is the same thing when I'm reading a text, or recollecting through recorded knowledge in my head. Sometimes I'll encounter an idea or a fact and move into that imaginitive headspace, all the while forgetting the various things that got me there in the first place. So when I trace my steps, the understanding is lost and reciprocally the so-called imaginitive idea disintegrates. The best example I can give for this is when you read through a few paragraphs and realize you didn't really read any of it, your eyes were just moving down the page while your brain was on something else.

      Psilocybin makes those facts stick out so that I can still explore imaginatively while holding onto the reality that made it happen in the first place. So in terms of text reading, for example, I don't ever need to re-read a paragraph because I never drifted off in the first place. Part of my mind drifts off, and part of it pays attention. Because both are happening, I don't lose my focus on one mode or the other.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Have you considered micro dosing 4-aco-dmt instead? It seems like it would work better.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I have, IMO the half life is too short

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Details! Which species, how many mg, how did you take it? Were you able to work?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Too many species to list but doses ranged from 15mg to 1g. I was fully coherent and able to work. You do build a tolerance relatively quickly, so watch out for that. Other than that, I highly recommend it. Works great for looking at projects with a refreshed perspective.

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        [–]MisterYouAreSoDumbNatrium Health & Nootropics Depot 2 points3 points  (25 children)

        I have been very interested too. I have never used LSD, though. So I think I'll try a few normal doses before experimenting with microdoses.

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          [–]MisterYouAreSoDumbNatrium Health & Nootropics Depot 9 points10 points  (4 children)

          I have 300ug on the way. I have tried 4-ACO-DMT before. It was fun, but really didn't change my perspective at all. I am a VERY introspective person as it is. That voice you describe having after LSD trips, well that is going on 24/7 in my brain. It can be a burden at times. It's why I went through such a bad depression. Uncontrolled introspection can get to be too much very quickly. I have learned to control it over the years. However, every word I say, every action I take, every thought that comes into my mind, I analyze from multiple perspectives. Am I being responsible? Am I seeing all viewpoints? Am I missing a crucial piece of information? Do I need to be doing this, or even want to be? These are all questions that are going nonstop in my head. I certainly don't need more of it.

          However, perhaps LSD will help me in the opposite way. Maybe it will help me to let things go a little easier; to not put so much energy into analyzing every little thing. There are times when I want to just lounge, or play a game, but my brain doesn't let me. I have things to do, so it's not responsible to play a game right now. However, I just get stuck in that internal dialog for too long, then the time I could have been using to unwind has been wasted analyzing whether or not I should. I think that is what I need to work on.

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            [–]MisterYouAreSoDumbNatrium Health & Nootropics Depot 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            Ok, that makes more sense. It sounds like the synchronicity that I am looking to achieve. Analyzation when needed, but the ability to let go when not. Perhaps a higher dose of 4-ACO-DMT would do it as well. I will definitely let you know how it goes!

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              [–]MisterYouAreSoDumbNatrium Health & Nootropics Depot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              My house has a large backyard that backs up to a mountain with lots of trails. Plus I have a sand area with a fire pit and an outdoor tiki bar. I can go outside for a while, then move inside easily. On 4-ACO-DMT, it was cool it watch the trees and bushes move. Plus I kept thinking I saw animals running through the yard, but I knew they weren't really there. Haha

              [–]machete234 -2 points-1 points  (18 children)

              There is a reason why a ticket is 100 microgramms to not make you "understand the universe" the first time you try it.

              Considering set and setting I wouldnt advice anyone who read here that LSD is pretty neat to NOT get LSD from the SR and just try it. (Im pretty sure some vendors sell you nBOMes there)

              Do lots of research and know what you are doing.

              [–]SyncoBeat 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Considering set and setting I wouldnt advice anyone who read here that LSD is pretty neat to NOT get LSD from the SR and just try it. (Im pretty sure some vendors sell you nBOMes there)

              This is horrible advice. Trust no one, test everything with an Ehrlich kit. And there are good SR vendors.

              If you're say, at college, I promise you there's someone there buying nbome (knowingly or not) off SR and selling it as acid locally. It's really silly to distinguish "street" acid from "SR" acid by this point. You just have to NIK test everything.

              [–]machete234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              You are not supposed to buy acid at all is what I mean.

              Depending on where you live try to get shrooms or san pedro cacti.

              [–]XxionxX 0 points1 point  (11 children)

              nBOMes?

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                [–]machete234 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                I have a few mg of 25c but havent touched it yet because of some deaths (even though these people were reckless) and the fact that these substances where discovered in 2010.

                The problem might be that people think its a good idea to take heroic doses and these substances are not LSD and actually do have an LD50 that you can reach.

                [–]its4thecatlol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                25c has an extremely heavy body load, but has the most intense visuals out of anything I've ever done. The sensory distortion is just mind-bending. Do 600mcg - 1000mcg.

                [–]machete234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I have done 2C-E, 2C-D and 4-aco-dmt (still zip bags full of it) so I have plenty of stuff to play with.

                [–]XxionxX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Cool, thanks!

                [–]machete234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Cheap as hell too and new users wouldnt be able to tell the difference from LSD.

                [–]its4thecatlol 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                N-bomes are not bona fide analogues of the 2c-s except under the strictest definition of the word. The word analogue makes me of think of a slight tweak on a molecule, like amphetamine vs meth or MDMA vs bk-MDMA. N-bomes are 10x more potent at the 5HT2A receptor and interact with the other receptors differently. N-bomes are to 2-c's what 2-c's are to mescaline. The effects of all 3 drugs are very different, both quantitatively and subjectively.

                Their safety is not well established, with many reporting seizures while under the influence of an NBOMe, and even a few deaths.

                I haven't seen a single case of someone dying from a tab. They're all from snorting, minus a few from liquid drops. That's understandable because the drugs are so potent that a speck of dust is the difference between a good trip and an overdose. Used responsibly, they're pretty safe acutely. Long-term, no studies exist but many the people I know who got heavy into n-bomes are seriously fucked up right now. It may be just a confirmation bias on my part, but I doubt it. I saw someone go crazy on a tab of 25b. My friend and I had to get him to the hospital after he ran away completely delusional, forgetting his name and trying to run into other people's houses.

                That said, I've done them lots of times, and so have many people on /r/Drugs. Nbomes are not too dangerous to have a good time with every now and then.

                It's also very easy to distinguish LSD from n-bomes. Eat the tabs, n-bomes break down in the stomach acid.

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                  [–]its4thecatlol 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  That is an unsubstantiated claim. Maybe you have a link, but I haven't seen any studies done determining the safety of these drugs, either short term or long term. A few reports of people on the internet having a good time is not enough to reliably establish the safety of these drugs. Not many people, especially not many people here, are willing to play around with their brain for the sole purpose of having a good time for a couple of hours. It's just not worth it.

                  There's hundreds -- thousands -- of good reports on nbome use. Don't be such a pussy for fuck's sake. It's not as safe as the classic psychs, but it's not like people are just dropping like fleas from it or something.

                  An easier way is to just buy LSD off the Road and not worry about any short or long term damage that could be potentially caused by NBOMe's.

                  They're not the same thing. Nbomes shit on LSD in terms of the sensory experience. The visuals are incomparable. LSD is calmer and more thoughtful, though.

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                    Just took a quarter of a tab, will report back later on today.