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[–]Gomba1 140 points141 points  (54 children)

Can someone please explain to me in simple words the bottom line of this?

Lets say you tracked all hes wallets after all the tumbling and everything... and you have the final destination address.

how does that help?

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    [–]throwawayhay121 47 points48 points  (8 children)

    Noones getting their money back, however if the guy is successfully traced......Well people who've lost more than most of us will probably go and have a "chat" with him.

    It'll probably end in blood and more people on the run, its not going to be pretty thats for sure.

    [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (7 children)

    Such tracing involves guesswork and can give less than accurate results.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the wrong people became the target of retribution. All it takes is for an innocent to tumble his coins and be "traced" by vigilantes.

    [–]throwawayhay121 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Indeed, it is worrisome, even this tomas may be innocent, wont matter to bad people though :-/

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      [–]anti_body 13 points14 points  (10 children)

      i don't think it's about trying to get their money back. it's more about tracing the culprit that stole the money so he doesn't get away with it (cash out)

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        [–]Gomba1 1 point2 points  (8 children)

        Now Yeah to my question again, could you explain how will it exactly stop him from cashing out?...

        Im pretty sure he wont try cashing out trough one of the known exchanges so you could recognize, more likely trough making purchases or investments to launder the BTC.

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (15 children)

        He only snagged .05 of a BTC from me. Not a large sum by any means.

        But, I don't mind lending a hand to those who lost much more than I did.

        The people may not get their BTC back, but when provided the identity of the perpetrator, hell will rain and blood will be spilled.

        And some cryptology may be applied to decrypt his wallet passwords.

        [–]therein 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        Yeah. I dont think anyone is getting their BTC back. Even if someone traces this guy back, finds him and gets the private keys to his wallet, do you really think that the guy who tracked the admin down will make a conscious effort to send these Bitcoins back to their owners? No, he will just keep them to himself. I guess justice would still be served. But as harsh as it sounds, those Bitcoins are as good as gone.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        Yep, he tracked this guy for hours staring at his laptop screen, THEN he made a reddit post telling everyone it was him that tracked him. If he even manages to get the 96000 BTC there is no way for him to keep them. He would probably send them back to the website and then let them redistribute (I'm sure there is a way to do that with the public block chain , tedious but possible)

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          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It will probably actually end with this guy dying, but all the same.

          [–]Chemical_Scum 19 points20 points  (4 children)

          The most likely method of decrypting his wallet passwords

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            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'm not entirely sure. That's a pretty good question.

            [–]AndroidHelp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I lost 10BTC to this (and 10BTC to a failed hard drive and failed backup drive)

            I'm done with bitcoin.

            [–]mrsean2k 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            It's unlikely to get anyone their money back, but determined following may prove a deterrent to anyone else considering a similar trick.

            [–]redditisgay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I made an attempt to explain the end result of all this in non tech terms above. As of now, it doesn't "help" get the money back...unless some insane solution is created as a one off, the previous records of the money's ownership are realistically gone with the money.

            If he apologized now and gave it back, claiming it wouldn't be possible for lots of people, and it would take Neo himself to recreate any remotely accurate record of account size and ownership. Also, it's money that had some involvement with drugs, and for that reason alone the majority of it wouldn't be something that could be claimed if a solution existed.

            But - what this really means is that this Tomas guy has the entire world hunting him (and dropping notes in his pocket multiple times and hour) forever. I'd give less than a 1% chance that he'll ever have a chance to even try to remove himself from this predictament because of how many people are seriously vested in what he took.

            [–]Ashlir 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Eventually it will hopefully prove these coins were stolen by the feds.

            [–]gwern 40 points41 points  (11 children)

            He was tumbling our stolen bitcoins a second time, and a tumbler is unbeatable.... Unless you guess which one it is, nearly all the coins belong to the person you're tracking, jump in with him, and get jumbled up through the same wallets using the same algorithm.

            I'm not sure Fog would've worked anyway. The other name for a tumbler is a mix, as in, your coins get mixed with other people's coins... but who on earth would be handing Fog 96k btc which could be mixed with Sheep's 96k? If you want to delink yourself from the original batch of 96k, you need to pull 96k from somewhere else! Easier said than done.

            And then he went and consolidated them all into a single address again? Like people wouldn't look at the rich list and go 'oh, I wonder where that 96k btc came from which was not there a few days ago?'

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

            Good point, well-made. His coins were only mixing with themselves

            [–]bitcoinperson54321 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            Why couldn't fog work to mix 96K btc as long as he sent them in smaller batches over time? Then sending the outputs from each batch to a separate address.

            [–]gwern 11 points12 points  (6 children)

            Because if all you are doing is sending the bitcoins off to a few smaller addresses, you aren't tumbling or mixing, you're just moving coins around, and anyone can see what you are doing. To actually tumble/mix, you need to receive someone else's bitcoins, which have no connection to you, and they receive your bitcoins in turn. But when you dump in $100m of bitcoins, who else's bitcoins do you get? No one's, of course. You just get your own. The procedure seems pointless and to merely rack up fees for Fog.

            [–]bitcoinperson54321 4 points5 points  (5 children)

            I wasn't suggesting just moving the coins to new addresses - I was asking why he couldn't send them to bitcoin fog in small batches? Each batch would be small enough to get other's bitcoins out of fog, anonymizing the batch. If fog can effectively anonymize a small amount in a given day, couldn't they anonymize a larger amount over many days?

            [–]gwern 11 points12 points  (4 children)

            If fog can effectively anonymize a small amount in a given day, couldn't they anonymize a larger amount over many days?

            Many many days. I doubt Fog turns over more than 1000 bitcoins a day, and if the thief wants a decent dilution (1/2 is not enough, 1/3 or higher would be better), he'll only launder <333 bitcoins a day... Which at 97k bitcoins means he would finish in 97000/333=292 days. Apparently he doesn't want to wait a year to launder his gains.

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            A year is no time at all when 96k BTC is on the line...

            [–]dogfish182 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            then he's a dumbass thief. how many mixers are there? If he set up 4 'endgame' wallets and did that 292/4 and had some patience, wouldn't he effectively have 4 wallets with 'clean' coin? Scale up in terms of wallets/tumblers to as many are as available?

            [–]bitcoinperson54321 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Interesting. So how is the chase going? Are you documenting it anywhere?

            By the way I find your silk road page to be really interesting and thorough and I love to see new information as you add it but the page is really long at this point and whenever I go back there is no way to know to know what you've added without reading through the entire thing to see if anything has changed. Is there any other way you could write what's new or modified when you have new information other than to update so people could stay on top of your developments?

            [–]gwern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'm probably not going to dump everything into the page until the story seems to be reasonably finalized.

            [–]codemonkey985 40 points41 points  (0 children)

            I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead...

            [–]gravygad 18 points19 points  (1 child)

            I feel like I'm reading a Gibson story published in 2013.

            [–]Eyes_off_Screen_5Min 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I was thinking the same exact thing! I've read worse scifi!

            [–]CoinSheep 17 points18 points  (5 children)

            I never used SMP but since this theft is so huge and I hate scammers, I'll join the party.

            I'll run some more taint analysis later but for now alot of the mixed funds ended up here: https://blockchain.info/address/1HZo14xXKRrzt1H3o6PpQBvPJbtbR4KFe2 https://blockchain.info/address/196NKcmzh3BvmR4zuvZQEZhTMdyhdQEXBs https://blockchain.info/address/13w6ULRPPWYq2YCY833tmM5dRPg26z2An9

            People should really stop fucking around with the internets.. let's catch this fucker!

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            That's a good day's work you did there - you just found $3M.

            I stuck a 666 on them. To see where I've been putting these 666s, heres the blockchain from my wallet. One or two of the 666s were to thank people,like the first person to sens an insult (I know,I didn't think it through)

            THIS is the input to his tumbling service, https://blockchain.info/address/174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn

            and this is my wallet used form marking a 666 on the cash piles. And scaring him!

            https://blockchain.info/address/1AhYNAoMxDPD7bnNvxuSY9FB1CDviEuqzZ

            [–]ganey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Ive got this far https://blockchain.info/address/17MiNugR9ZT28PY5cEYituMsMUcdLF6MKN

            if you got back and forward and around abit, the amounts keep regrouping.

            [–]LivingInHope 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            You chasers are fucking legends

            even if you don't snare, you tried, and that counts for a lot

            keep it up and keep us informed, wish there was something i could do but don't have the knows.

            great work

            [–]accountt1234 35 points36 points  (0 children)

            This is some grade A cyberpunk shit right here.

            [–]Fluid_Motion 11 points12 points  (10 children)

            hes tumbling again.

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 29 points30 points  (9 children)

            I noticed that earlier. But he doesn't get it.

            He has 1% of the world's bitcoin. He likes neat whole numbers. When tiny fractions suddenly appear, its obvious he's tumbling them. nearly all the pants in the washing machine are his, so sheep swag mixes with sheep swag,and comes out looking like...er, sheep swag.

            Then, he just combines it back together into the same sized lump!

            Bitcoin fog has a limit to its number of input and output addresses. he's using that limit.

            Tumbling is to hide the ORIGIN of a bitcoin. If you know its origin before it tumbles (which we know), tumbling does nothing.

            His only other option is to hope we forget, or he outlives us.

            This is as new to him as it is to us. He hasn't got a gang of hard men driving vans and laundering money through bureau de change or casinos,he's just a scared guy who can't tell his friends what he does for a living, sitting in front of a laptop with the multibit client on it, and a few mobiles with shared wallet addresses.

            He's probably scared and wished he only had 100 bitcoins. His laptop hard drive is worth millions. Every day he spends another $3million, tumbling his bitcoin with his bitcoin.

            There's no guidebook to this, no precedent, and its probably the largest heist in history. his trader is the weak point,because the trader will only sell, and never buy.#

            He has to be that pro trader who is a few pence cheapest to get ALL the business.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            I really really don't know anything about what you're doing, so keep at it, but I was just wondering whether it could be a bad thing to point out all of his mistakes like you're doing instead of just exploiting them?

            [–]TheNodManOut 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            If someone can give us a better idea as to exploiting this I'm open to suggestions

            [–]Fluid_Motion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            he transfered 2,000 BTC earlier today out of his huge wallet, hes transfered it to about 20 other wallest so far, here it is recently.

            https://blockchain.info/address/1JcbCppjS417xTucuCSMvVWCtPzvSZjegk

            [–]bbbbbubble 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            If I were him, I would just send 95.4563kBTC to a brainwallet, send 0.5437 kBTC through a tumbler, tumble again, and then use it. Then, just use the 95.4 kBTC as needed using the same technique.

            I would certainly not attempt to liquidate any of it in the near future.

            I would also move to a tropical island.

            [–]adeadhead 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            If so, why wouldn't he just store his trove on an external drive and sit on it for a while? Why does he need to keep actively moving it?

            [–]jumbalia_prone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            So, if he's going to need to try localbitcoin to get some cash, should we poison the well?

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 175 points176 points  (81 children)

            I hope you appreciate what i just did for us. I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think anybody has beaten a tumbler before today.

            Its like running a marathon through fog, listening for the footsteps of other runners. It helps if there are 96,000 of them, though! The FBI only got 29,000 of our coins. This guy is good, but he's on his last legs. If he can sell a single bitcoin, I'll be surprised.

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 69 points70 points  (43 children)

            I also realized that bitcoin fog isn't very good, doesn't answer support tickets, and is possibly in on the scam

            [–]profiting_prophet 34 points35 points  (2 children)

            keep it up. These guys cant stay anonymous forever and I'd love to see them have to forfeit their ill-gotten gains. It's funny you mention bitcoinfog possibly being in on the scam because I've felt that way since day one with them; its a service that is operated by the scammers as a way to try and launder the hundreds of millions that have been stolen under the guise of helping us stay anonymous.

            [–]BitcoinLord 17 points18 points  (1 child)

            I don't think the end result is forfeiture, it is death.

            [–]ravend13 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            The two are not mutually exclusive.

            [–]lucasjkr 12 points13 points  (39 children)

            Bitcoin fog doesn't seem like its a true tumbler, to be honest.

            Their page describes the system in place, basically consists of a couple of wallets. You send into wallet a, and then they send you new coins in a few batches from wallet b, at which point, they transfer the coins from wallet a to wallet b. at least how they describe it, it's not tumbling at all, just returning coins to you that you didn't have in the first place.

            With 96,000 coins, supposedly, it shouldn't be very difficult to see track them through the system. Should they shrink the transaction size and send out to tons of small addresses, it'll be a lot harder to track them down. Not like they're in a race against time, or anything. The longer they take, the better, really.

            Not to minimize what you did, it was a lot of work im sure. But, if you did it, I'm sure that means the three letter agencies have long been able to do so forever.

            Besides - how would you stop him from:

            selling a bitcoiin through a localbitcoins type site? Creating lots of accounts at btce-e or cryptsy and buying some ltc, nmc and xpm, bouncing those around to another exchange, and cashing out that way Buying gift cards or actual goods Heck, how would you stop them from selling them at gox and wiring the funds to, say, Moldova or something?

            I just don't see how you could have any hope of stopping them if they took more care when tumbiing? Heck, how would you stop them from just cashing out via gox or locoally? And even if you intended to post here, why do the. 666 sends just to alert them?

            [–]TheNodManOut 27 points28 points  (24 children)

            Well considering how many wallet address I've followed from the very top to where they stop I'm keeping an eye out for when those start moving he was tumbling them all the way down and now a lot are sitting in wallets with anywhere from 5k to 100k just waiting for those to moving to exchanges that will probably start happening after he tries to tumble down the other huuuge wallets i have, I've created a big.list of over 150 wallets starting from the top all the way to where they end he transfers from the top about 50-100times while dropping amounts here.and there worth about 5k-100k while he keeps moving the bigger.amount in attempt to hide it all the list is active wallets with coins in them still doesn't include the.countless hundreds I've had to follow the transactions thru just to get to the end point hopefully with OP and I we can combine and list almost all his.wallets to watch for movement when he tries to cash.out

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 33 points34 points  (11 children)

            Big up to theNodManOut.

            This is the biggest heist of all time. Is it in the newspapers? No TheNodManOut made the hardest spot - the escape route wallet from sheep. I assume he normally drives round in a van solving mysteries.

            I was still sending fractions of bitcoin into sheep, looking for the puncture, and saw that TheNodman had already sussed it. I clicked the link to the wallet and stood open-mouthed to see a planet-sized spaceship hovering above europe. We were both pretty knackered I think, but every door led to another door, rooms full of bitcoins stacked from floor to ceiling. I was ready to call it a day, but the spaceship started to dissappear into a fog before my eyes!

            I just sent 0.00666 btc to the first person to attach a threat to 0.000666 of a bitcoin, for good luck. I'm sure the NodManOut is pleased we're not alone now, because its hard to follow the blockchain and try to shout "OVER HERE! $100m is being towed away! Hello? I'm one confirmation behind him, and he's boarding a crowded tube train"

            I don't use the word "hero" lightly. But TheModManOut is probably the greatest hero in world history.

            Its easy to go wrong on the blockchain. There are no blockchain accountants yet. If we do, we can go back to the first escape hatch he discovered and work from there.

            [–]TheNodManOut 15 points16 points  (4 children)

            Word, appreciate that Sheepreloaded you did great job yourself funny i taught myself how blockchain worked in a cpl hours then went to it got.bored and kept on cause one trail led to another gave me comfort i wasn't the only one had you helping props bro

            [–]oimandoimaw 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            ive been following your posts with some coworkers and we still cant believe the media isnt covering you two. biggest heist in history could possibly be foiled due to two redditors/cryptonuts!!!

            i dont own a single bitcoin because im too poor to get in on it, but if i could give either of you guys a big warm hug for all the amazing work you are doing, I would. I would also compliment you thoroughly and get you a beer.

            is there anything i can do to help that doesnt involve the types of action you are taking?

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              [–]SPC_Bitcoin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              $220 million. wow!

              [–]lucasjkr 4 points5 points  (11 children)

              Splitting $96 million into 150 creates a bunch if wallets that, while they aren't on the top 10 list are still sizable. What happens when those coins are split among many, many more wallets, using a much higher traffic tumbler?

              If you're still able to trace those coins, the big question will be, do tumblers provide any security at all? If a single dedicated hacker can follow everything throurough, the FBI and NSA will have no difficulties doing the sad.

              [–]TheNodManOut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Here's an example of one of the dump wallets exactly 20k in it https://blockchain.info/address/16qr1bFRno4Dagxeis8h8JGjnbV7jn6uBY And one that i tracked that from that he's slowly tumbling atm https://blockchain.info/address/15p19K7psks9PP2faLhFRrn7ooyimGJaun?filter=1 this is just one of many I've collected over past 18hrs

              edit: didn't realize he moved the 20k again but follow the transactions and it will end up in one of the wallets under the of the wallets in the most recent withdraw transactions list

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                [–]lucasjkr 4 points5 points  (7 children)

                Well, if he reads this, it'll be clear to him that he erred using bitcoin fog and that more tumbling, real tumbling is necessary. Now, what if plays the highest probability,lowest payout (read:safest) version of, say, santoshi dice, with each bet being paid to new addresses? Seems like either using electrum, armory, or even the official qt client, especially taking the step to switch cryptos (like I said before, bitcoin to litecoin, primecoin and name coin, all split among exchanges)?

                I fear that as trackble as bitcoin can be, just following coins from wallet to wallet doesn't really get you anywhere

                Again, what would you do if he sold them at mtgox or local bitcoin? How would you even know what just occurred?

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                  [–]Loliita 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                  I too agree, sure we can keep tabs on the btc. Follow it or watch it sit in his wallet.

                  But as soon as he attempts to cash them out we are going to be able to figure out his identity.

                  Also an idea. Can we all send tiny amounts of BTC to this wallet with public notes?

                  Saying. "This BTC is stolen. If you have information on the wallet owner please contact us."

                  Because won't those notes appear whenever anyone checks transactions on block chain that are coming from this guy?

                  Or is this just a dumb idea ?

                  [–]TheNodManOut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Great idea just as you can see on some the very first wallets i found huge ones people left notes on 10cent.donations when he tumbled it i would see the same little note thinking i.was back at the beginning but i knew i wasn't lol

                  [–]slicksr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Firstly the one you send won't be stolen, secondly if he spends it and it ends up in the wallet of a legit business somewhere, you could end up going around in circles.

                  [–]TheNodManOut 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  They don't help when he gets them all back in huge lump sums I've tracked so many from top wallets all the way down to where they finally stopped it appears once he gets them down to a wallet worth 5-20k give or take that's the end wallet he will attempt to cash out of course i have to follow all those transactions thru about 50-100wallets to get to the end which I'm compiling a list of all top wallets then he breaks those down to increments of something like 800k-1mil which i save all those wallets then follow his process thru a crap load of wallets down to what I'm calling his drop wallets where he appears to stop when gets small enough and I've.saved a huge number of his drop wallets i assume those will be the ones once he is ready will try to sale and move to exchanges

                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 27 points28 points  (10 children)

                  If you're a vendor, (I can tell you aren't) do you remember how it felt to see those FBI badges on Silk Road?

                  What do you do? Format your computers? Clean house? sell bitcoins?

                  You feel sick, panic,and make wrong decisions.

                  I followed him for hours yesterday, he was creating new wallets, moving 2000 BTC in, waiting for enough confirmations, then moving 2000BTC into the next wallet, leaving the balance at zero.

                  I would see the new wallet before the first confirmation even appeared on the blockchain. I'd point my mobile at the QR code,and send a memorable number. He must have felt he devil was chasing him. You don't let employees anywhere near bitcoin wallets,so i knew for sure it was him, and me.

                  Imagine you think someone is following you. You create a new wallet address, try to hide quarter of amillion dollars in it, and within 5 minutes that same wallet address has found you. He was obviously using multibit client. One by one, all his exact 200BTC, 500BTC wallets were becoming 500.00666.

                  He must have felt safe after tumbling it,and just wanted to gather all his wallets together to show his wife why they never have to worry about anything ever again.

                  I only marked the bigget ones, he had 49. Their addresses are remembered in my phone, and on the blockchain with a 666 next to them. Historians, police, interpol, anyone can see where every penny went on the blockchain, forever.

                  there is no exchange infrastructure as such forbitcoin. Even if he dares to change 10 btc into euros and gets away with it today, the first blockchain auditors could spot it in 20 years.

                  Bitcoin wallets are anonymous until you have to do business with the cash zombies over in the old economy, because bank accounts and credit cards have a thing called fraud unless you prove who you are.

                  Bitcoin doesn't need a name to be credible.

                  [–]2l84aa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  i hope this is a throw away account. i would be cautious dealing with a person that can put 10 fat bounties on my head if my identity is not well protected.

                  [–]walletadvisors 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Any noteworthy updates?

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                    [–]3domfighter 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                    I don't think it needs to be said; he seems to know it. He's been "running marathons through fog" and "chasing [the perp] on the roof of a moving train", and preserving evidence for historians. We got fucking Jason BitBourne over here.

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                      [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

                      I know, it just gets bigger and bigger the more you look!

                      No wonder the bitcoin price is high. Half of them are out of circulation!

                      Could this be the loot from more than one scam?

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                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Amazing work. What a hero.

                        [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                        Yeah, thenodman started another thread when he found the trapdoor in sheep, and I wrote one called "OK.This is how we are going to catch him", which we were using too.

                        When you see something big going down,you're torn between following it or alerting people. That first big wallet that was found,if you click the little graph thing next to it,shows how much went in on different days. You can see that this wasn't some poor good-intentioned man with cash flow problems. He was moving bitcoin out on an industrial scale, leaving it running to get more and more cash,and even preparing us weeks ago for withdrawal limits and miners fees.

                        It can all be traced back to the Friday before the "Vendors are stranded on the blockchain" post I did. Thats when the old site was taken down and the trapdoor site fired up.

                        He has 1% of the world's bitcoins. Its hard to clean and sell more than 4 or 5 btc at a time

                        [–]BCLaraby 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                        He has 1% of the world's bitcoins.

                        Holy shit.

                        What do you plan on doing with this guy when you catch him?

                        [–]gamhead 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        Dude, you're totally right - you guys should appeal to BitStamp or some other massive Bitcoin company to help - MASSIVE MARKETING OPPORTUNITY for all of them.

                        I know you guys are smart enough, but you need to scale out your brains!

                        [–]usnavy13 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                        how can we help?

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                          [–]drakesword 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                          Why not a program to follow the coins? At least then addresses can be 'flagged'

                          [–]ouioui1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          How do we help?

                          [–]Throwawayyyyy12334 18 points19 points  (6 children)

                          I said it in another comment, but seriously man. You deserve more than we'll ever likely be able to give you. But you're in my thoughts man, I appreciate this. Injustices like this need to be dealt with properly. Especially when a vast majority of us are adults investing in a currency that in its early days, unfortunately, is susceptible to fucking scummy, ratty cunts taking advantages of its flaws.

                          Again, thank you. You're a good man doing a great thing.

                          EDIT: Posting on a throwaway because none of my friends know I'm interested in cryptocurrency and it's uses.

                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          You are a god sir.

                          [–]Azr79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Fucking fascinating, could you please explain me like a was a fucking retard (but keep using your analogies, fucking love these) how the hell did you chase him through the tumbler? I didn't get this part quite well.

                          [–]rspeed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          What would prevent him from just slicing it up again and sending everything through a bunch of tumblers without pulling it back together?

                          [–]Throwawayyyyy12334 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                          You're doing a valued and honorable society a service and you deserve more than you will ever get for this. You're a good man. Even though I've not been a user of SMP, BMR or the late SR, I keep myself closely up to date with BTC and other cryptocurrency and it's uses. I honestly hope things turn out well for everyone who was fucked over by the scumbags involved.

                          [–]Loliita 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                          Also. Can you please post a deposit address so that we can send you donations.

                          I would also like to donate to theNodManOut

                          I lost 1.1btc. It's not a lot to some. But it was over half my savings.

                          I'm appreciative of what you have done. I'd like to make a small donation.
                          I can't afford much as I've recently been robbed. But please. Let me send you something.

                          [–]longdrivehome 10 points11 points  (15 children)

                          r/Bitcoin folks suggested I cross post here:

                          First, some background: I have never been to the Sheep Market website. I do not have an account there, I don't even know the URL. I heard about it after the scam when it hit the news.

                          I logged on to my BTC-E account on 11/28. I clicked "deposit", took the address, and sent over 4 BTC from my Coinbase account. I then traded for about 6 hours between BTC and LTC (it was volatile that day) without logging out or closing my computer. This is the important part:The site functioned as normal, my transaction history was updating as normal, the troll box was blazing, I made about .35 BTC to show an account balance of 4.35BTC while trading. However now looking at my email, I received no email notification of my trades or deposit.

                          Then, like many that day, I got logged out of my account when I tried to set up a trade. When I logged back in, my account looked as if I hadn't been trading at all that day- no account history, no BTC, no LTC. It was as I left it on 11/19, the last time I traded on BTC-e.

                          Here's the transaction of me sending BTC to the address my BTC-e account gave me from coinbase on the block chain:

                          https://blockchain.info/address/1EQxovLpJkVnC8DtkHvF3cGvZvCwBHh4Yw I posted this issue on r/Bitcoin that night. We thought it was then transferred to a BTC-E cold wallet when I posted about this a few days ago...but surprise surprise, it was actually posted to the Sheep Market scammer's. He just hadn't been caught yet. Look who it was actually transferred to:

                          https://blockchain.info/address/1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP

                          What does this mean? Did the Sheep Market scammer actually get into BTC-e as well?

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                            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                            +/u/bitcointip 0.01 BTC verify

                            [–]bitcointip 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            [✔] Verified: abrkn → $10.42 USD (m฿ 10 millibitcoins) → sheeproadreloaded2 [sign up!] [what is this?]

                            [–]dreadly1217 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                            You're famous! (Kind of) http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2013/12/theres-%C2%A360m-bitcoin-heist-going-down-right-now-and-you-can-watch-real-time

                            There's a £60m Bitcoin heist going down right now, and you can watch in real-time

                            Sheep Marketplace closed down over the weekend after someone got away with 96,000 bitcoins - and angry users are chasing him around the internet.

                            [–]DreamFactory 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            I can't even handle how future this is.

                            [–]Widespread_Panic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                            Can someone ELI5?

                            [–]SavageDark 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                            What I learned today Do not fuck with peoples money, they'll end you

                            [–]nowitasshole 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Impressive stuff.

                            It may be very useful to get the /r/bitcoin community involved in this, if the OP would like to repost it. I know there are a lot of very knowledgeable people in there and if you talk about $100m+ in bitcoin being stole it should get a lot of attention.

                            [–]redditisgay 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            EDIT - thought of an even more simple explanation of the end result, and wanted to add a note about the fallout on the small times within the money trail.

                            Imagine if all of the huge illegal enterprises (Cartels, DTOs, Sex Trade, Hackers) and now the mega investment international banks like Goldman Sachs and China the Bank got together to make an off-the-banks new currency, but because of trust issues added a GPS beacon and bill number to every single bill. Every time the bills change hands, the bills uploaded their serial #, and even if the person checking on that bill has no clue who owns it at that moment, the digital online tracker gives him the account number of the current owner, but JUST the number. By itself the number is useless, but if I give Ted a bill, who gives it Bob, and I look up the transaction with Ted, I get to see Ted's account and can follow it to Bob, the next person, etc. That's the macro Bitcoin economy when relating to black markets and their bitcoin. This Tomas guy has all these groups looking for him and their stolen money, and he can't use a single bill without a current owner knowing exactly when it was used and where it went.

                            Sure, he can try to use the digital version of a check cashing store, but they're digital Mom and Pop check cashing stores...maybe they bend the rules or turn blind eyes, but they're way, way, way to small to handle this stolen loot. If they did, they know the owners of the loot will come knocking, and that leads me to the other problem.

                            $200m of random drug money quite seriously could put a ton of lives in jeopardy. While I can't say I understand how you could have a drug business of that size and not launder out cash, apparently people did. Lots of people. The debt collections are going to be bad, bad, news all the way down.

                            Now that this guy stole it, he couldn't undo it even if he wanted too...the money is just a garbled mess that totals what he stole, but is literally impossible to return to their owners at this point.

                            The fact that it's such a massive amount makes this a big ass news story, but the inevitable horrible ending to this is going to be one too. Sad, and fucked up on 1000 levels.

                            [–]wolframite 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                            I'm bitcoin illiterate. I just opened a wallet but clueless how to fill it. Still trying to follow this amazing saga... this crowd-sourced IQ is flabbergasting. By sheer coincidence, a friend emailed me and indicated he was in Prague (visiting for the first time). Sent him the relevant links and faces just in case he spots the guy everyone is talking about.

                            One of the mainstream articles claimed someone posted (here?) the following scary confession:

                            ‘I am a large vendor on Sheep Marketplace, or I was until recently. I sold hard drugs in reasonably large quantities. I have around $90k locked up in the site. I owe some money to some very nasty people, ‘I have until monday evening. They have already threatened me with death. I have no doubt that they have killed before...I am 26 and I don't want to die.’

                            Jesus

                            [–]CoveredInMud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I read that on here too. Later on that night he updated that he got a temporary pass from his people.

                            [–]Ainderp 13 points14 points  (10 children)

                            Could I get regular updates on this, im very intrigued as to how you hope to catch this guy

                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 47 points48 points  (9 children)

                            I think we will be alright now the first critical 48 hours are over. He gathered 96,000 in one pot, then split it into about 50 smaller ones. then he saw me 666ing them all. Imagine a sports stadium with 96,000 people in it, each with $1000.

                            He sent them all via different routes all over the world, but the same 96,000 people then arrived at a different stadium and he went to bed.

                            Now there are 96,001, and I just phoned you on my mobile to tell you where the stadium is.

                            Sheep Marketplace was smaller than Silk Road,and he had it running quite well. SR page changes used to time out 3 times out of 4. But the FBI only got a single-day 29,000 bitcoin snapshot.

                            This guy may yet get away with 96,000 bitcoins, each worth a second-hand car, that we know about. But he probably won't.

                            Thieves never prosper. Especially if I see them driving away in MY car.

                            I'm not going to get murdered. He's not a gangster dealing cocaine (not that sheepmarket customers are particularly "anti" drug use). He's just some IT chump who knows C++, and tried an accountancy stunt. For all those suitcases full of crypto currency, I wouldn't want to trade places. What do you do with an airport car park full of cars, when the car park is surrounded by angry stoners with baseball bats?

                            Just follow the money. If you work back, he is bound to have a trader on localbitcoins.com, selling lots of bitcoins cheap for euros, but never buying any. One of you will have bought a bitcoin off him, and paid money to him. His name, account number and sort code are on your bank statement. One of the bitcoins that went through your wallet also went through one of HIS past wallets.

                            He's still stealing now. I've been making fresh sheep pocket addresses and sending fractions of bitcoin in to see where they come back out onto the blockchain. He should have just pulled the plug rather than breaking the transaction fee payment and all that clever shit.

                            I had a sheep withdrawal with NO TRANSACTIONS next to it for 3 whole days, to try to balance his books. So I've had a good fortnight to wait for my car to be stolen. When he said I can only drive it in 25 hours, once a day, if the tank is full, we all knew this was bullshit, right? Send me my public and private wallet keys in an email if your wallets only work one-way.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJW05wVOLc

                            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            This is amazing. GREAT job. Please keep your energy up to continue helping. Thank you thank you :)

                            Edit: Oh and get some good rest :) You deserve it.

                            [–]Patrick5555 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            thieves never prosper

                            what a nice thing to hear. With the fbi bust of silkroad and then this, its easy to get in the mentality that these markets are a bad idea. But those events are outweighed by all the people that actually got legitimate products, because true vendors DO prosper

                            [–]firepacket 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                            +/u/bitcointip @sheeproadreloaded2 $20

                            [–]g0_west 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                            What do you plan on doing once you find the guy?

                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

                            me? I'm not the police. I don't live in the czech republic.

                            I won't find this guy. Somebody else will.

                            I assume he'll be jailed, blackmailed, tortured or killed. I dunno.

                            I had a good business arrangement with him,paying 6.8%. thats OK, but I didn't agree he can keep all of everyone's bitcoins.

                            I have a computer attached to the internet, so like everyone, I can track every bitcoin wallet for the rest of time.

                            $200M is the largest theft in history. eventually it might get in the newspaper. the police could even assign an officer to look for him.

                            He depended on "tumbling" bitcoins, but he has 1% of the world's bitcoins. It doesn't work.

                            [–]HPLoveshack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Out of curiosity, what exactly is there to stop him from just sitting on those 96,000 bitcoins, transferring a random double digit btc amount to a smaller wallet occasionally, tumbling them out to even smaller wallets, then using them to purchase easily sellable goods or selling them directly in small batch cash deals?

                            Even if he only averaged 1 btc sale per day, that would still be a sizable income.

                            [–]chendiggler 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            How is this not in the news?

                            [–]czechmatethem 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                            90,000//466,000 MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP

                            775//44,000 not 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1Hw8dtVC9bdxDz1su9Jx3GXTgjR75FJcMK

                            26,000 one of MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1PnMfRF2enSZnR6JSexxBHuQnxG8Vo5FVK

                            26,500 one of MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1ABS7zUZP76NjNYs9DLoWnKfZFTR7WLrAM

                            21,000 MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/19hJkNAx8aSebR1nZEwJUvKMnQgCbbeoMg

                            26,000 alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/194DnvmLR2HULRvxUsVag8mn2fm7dA3U2B

                            29,000 alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1EBHA1ckUWzNKN7BMfDwGTx6GKEbADUozX

                            18,000 alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/19vWUsLH7G6yQH484r3n1GodLEoLivWHJg

                            3475 https://blockchain.info/address/19mfTX5NpwwYjLqbAM8BQAxsNgfd7GESc5

                            1000 https://blockchain.info/address/1Pa7HJ8VCCR9U7tXcmigrXfyPrQWDedA69

                            1000 https://blockchain.info/address/124WvwHdraE1EviYGdhnuzyCjk3YvWCvEq

                            1000 https://blockchain.info/address/1DNhJFWf7GcuBPWc8wh6w1e26tWAhtmMxt

                            307 https://blockchain.info/address/18tU2B2kaJqCVnF8yi5H5Pk4uy7Axa28Gk

                            14 https://blockchain.info/address/19QeYXNwBBH4FTcG6echBgjwB7uTPkagJP

                            908 https://blockchain.info/address/1EsqbUckBjjFVhuuDHfFaikz8JFr2JV74n

                            757 https://blockchain.info/address/1M7ZDnP7SCPG8yQFwqgH926fHKDCqg2HpT

                            10 https://blockchain.info/address/1hMYpfGPH9RUiNgLHdbiVDckr1j2pQnWB

                            45 https://blockchain.info/address/14ucWM1WKuz1nUuygYBR6LKcZ5SP1xtKfj

                            42// 5,000+ https://blockchain.info/address/1KYZtGYP2fWJbXWgqWra6c4D8KVHxyZyPu

                            144 https://blockchain.info/address/1318mCFvks5nkhToyZPyiGM1zuSym6jgS3

                            178 https://blockchain.info/address/1MAYiGv9HVEpdRQrSLaBakNNW1qVfY8tM7

                            438 https://blockchain.info/address/181uDJnGeoyfy9YEQVLCNRtqtvowFEwhuC

                            53 https://blockchain.info/address/163dXoX3bfrM8t8DwbhzfHdGYNQfYfXhK6

                            58even https://blockchain.info/address/14oGr9RxvzntrkwYgdrJs172pdGRyszdzw

                            176 https://blockchain.info/address/1D1QP3bvENQb7pWUVz4yB1xUKUSYP8x3hw

                            291even https://blockchain.info/address/12aGKGR9xpVb54XyVqCKCQXgNzyhQ5GqSX

                            500 https://blockchain.info/address/18Bd9WV7eAZyUoExG1yRckYWfjP6Mm9mQ4

                            250 even. stagnant since beginning https://blockchain.info/address/1NN8JWEA4BSer28ZtriNNr7kzsW4gEeGKG

                            34 https://blockchain.info/address/1BEPAvv8uzv4nPdLDUxvtKPRUNTosyDzsA

                            205//1000+ https://blockchain.info/address/14Jf616G9rVSWTYV7Nb6ra82FHtHZGopRr

                            500//220,000 !!!!!! can trace a lot https://blockchain.info/address/174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn

                            181//6022 https://blockchain.info/address/1JjW3gHDESmVfaszN8jy1bHZHbpEyY1wEZ

                            27 https://blockchain.info/address/17Wq4MQedStbM6yzkc2o9FFexEc8v3WANq

                            160 https://blockchain.info/address/1LQ7mzQqNdcu6b94HoF6FQhpjo27Nsb2kq

                            150 https://blockchain.info/address/13Aku4SUR6BSafmQPFtEBNprHDQjMac6d7

                            175 https://blockchain.info/address/18xT5n3bq5YqjH8p82M645qVWX21pmBXrf

                            200 https://blockchain.info/address/1L51RwoeZPxeTawMmTcb4VCRhQsceYJsS1

                            332 https://blockchain.info/address/15s4RYdK6AjBE9yqAwwqY1c3qwksV2N4my

                            416//3,500 https://blockchain.info/address/1MJPrPYbZGjRDzbnbmpabQ9xV23b2ejned

                            168//1700 already666d https://blockchain.info/address/1En3zR29cJnXGw1qFVkoQkDZvnp3Vj2m27

                            100 https://blockchain.info/address/18Y8euHPSY6b7Eh5Q1K8Sh5vpGnakSRKDr

                            [–]czechmatethem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            unfortunately many of these will go deeper than when i posted them..

                            [–]YUNGsheep 14 points15 points  (7 children)

                            Holy shit that sounds like it was intense as fuck... like why the fuck would he do that anyway, stealing all the cash from people, it's not like he can go out and spend it because he's gonna have a fat bounty on his head if you ask me.

                            [–]bafflesaurus 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                            He's already been doxxed and his name is in the media, Vice just did a writeup. I wouldn't worry about him getting away with it.

                            [–]mister_impossible 10 points11 points  (5 children)

                            Vice did a write-up? Can you post that link please? I've tried searching for it but all I can find are those deepdotweb.com articles.

                            [–]TitoIsEpic 12 points13 points  (4 children)

                            http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/did-one-of-the-silk-roads-successors-just-commit-the-perfect-bitcoin-scam

                            Looks like this is the article.

                            [–]mister_impossible 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            So Vice is postulating that the feds may have been responsible for the bitcoin theft. Holy shit wouldn't that be something?

                            [–]Ashlir 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Would not be surprising. It's there whole reason for being to bleed us dry and makes us believe we need them.

                            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9spTATw6

                            Gwern's original pastebin

                            [–]LongLiveThe_King 10 points11 points  (5 children)

                            So if you can follow coins through a tumbler, what is stopping the feds?

                            Are tumblers worth it?

                            Also good job man.

                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 21 points22 points  (4 children)

                            Tumblers are worth it, but you have to trust them because your bitcoins might not tinkle out of the other side. I don't trust bitcoin fog because they didn't answer my legitimate questions. If I find that the sheep swag was tumbling when it was supposedly broken on Nov 26th, I am personally going to put them out of business. AND they said "no fees for the rest of the year", but I didn't get all of my 0.500 btc back. some of it was chipped away as soon as it arrived at the deposit address. Obviously, a % of 96,000 bitcoins - twice - isn't enough christmas spending money for them. And not answering support tickets is rude. I can't abide ill manners.

                            Tumblers work great, but if 96,000 white bitcoins go through the washing machine in one load, and you "accidentally" put a red sock in with them, everything ends up pink.

                            [–]LongLiveThe_King 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            I see. Thanks for clarifying.

                            I hope that bitcoinfog turns out legit because I quite liked their site/service.

                            [–]FarewellOrwell 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                            What is a good tumbler to use in your opinion?

                            [–]dnspies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                            Probly not a good time for sheep to answer that question. You know, just in case

                            [–]whatsdoin 3 points4 points  (10 children)

                            Op. tip jar please. I will donate,you need a car.

                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 24 points25 points  (9 children)

                            You can see my wallet! Its the first one to send 0.00666 - starting "1AhYN". My phone buzzes when it receives bitcoin, and I need sleep. You can all look in it, and see that I've been chasing down a £150M thief with 0.7 bitcoins, because he took my bitcoin! The whole of my day is there - firing airgun pellets into new sheep wallets, lots of 666's, my 0.5 btc deposit to climb into the tumbler with thousands of stolen bitcoins, then it coming back to the same wallet in chunks after being tumbled. Its now more tainted than before it went in!

                            Every big wallet I found, I sent 0.00666 into it to record its address on my phone wallet and upset him. Ask TheNodManOut - there were so many big wallets that I didn't bother marking any with less than 3000 bitcoins in them. There were just too many. Forcing him to tumble again has cost him 2% of whatever he's stolen, ($3 million at least). They say that money doesn't bring you happiness, and I think he'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life

                            The NodManOut was going to bed when I picked up the gauntlet, and now I'm shattered he's up again. I assume we're in different time zones.

                            "Poachers make the best gamekeepers", and customers only really put bitcoin IN to Sheep. They've...er, We've never had to get it out and turn it to cash like the sheep rustler, you cant just put it in the bank or buy a loaf of bread with it. I imagine (cough).This is just a nod of recognition to all you guys who are anticipating what this guy is about to do next. Lets retain our anonymity, aaaiit? YOU know what I'm talking about. You won't be getting any community awards for this, and if you did, you won't turn up to collect it.

                            His cash-flow will be less than usual, and he'll keep his head down when bitcoin is cheap for a few days. People will register on other marketplaces and need to replace stolen coins and the price recovers quick, we saw that a few months ago. Its when you sell bitcoin for paper money that you're vulnerable. Its TOO MANY bitcoin, there is very little exchange infrastructure,and this is as new and unknown to the thief as to us.

                            Its GOT to be localbitcoins.com. GOT to be. I'll bet you, er, half a bitcoin thats where he gets nabbed.

                            Keep up the good work. Its not like we have a job to go to.

                            Bitcoin came of age today. The biggest robbery, the first anonymous master criminal, and all you anonymous heros on Reddit.

                            Save your fractions of bitcoins to send insults and tag the wallets of misappropriated millions. If we can just keep at it until the news organizations notice it, we can slip away and leave it to the "experts".

                            If I told you how long i've been awake, you wouldn't believe me.

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                              [–]BlTCOIN 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              I would just give this guy his bitcoin back + 1000 BTCs to stop him from this Liam Neeson manhunt.

                              [–]bafflesaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Forcing him to tumble again has cost him 2% of whatever he's stolen, ($3 million at least).

                              You're a brilliant bastard. Enjoy the reddit gold.

                              [–]pimpass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                              Guys, please continue to follow, but keep secret until your get to a wallet that is known to be of someone that changes the BTC to US$. Then post here so someone can try to find out from the BTC>Real money dealer who made that request and where the money was transferred to.

                              They are cybercriminals, they are following this thread for sure and will always be a step ahead of you if you post here.

                              [–]amendment64 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              You and TheNodManOut are like Batman and fucking Robin... Mad props yo, keep up the great work!

                              [–]BITCOINTRACE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              HELLO! Here's a list of "DEAD ENDS" That the Coin Launder has stopped at. 14HY4H2cGGmuiCkeVbupNoF3ZW9zqYdnR2 1FPWWekDRgs4ZakULMw6LVfSZRTqgeUrUH 1KwzaJiuvwhe5maeCD3LZiaJabB2tURfbe

                              The original orgin was taken from the MAIN Blockchain given by sheeproad.

                              origin 2000.01 BTC24.19.210.47

                              It than goes on to another blockchain of: 1MoUfk2Bow7n9B6ksreCbcyDzXdRTFMpC9 2000 BTC

                              Here are photos: START OF BLOCK for 2000 BTC http://imageshack.com/a/img441/9862/qr7a.png Track 2 http://imageshack.com/a/img36/1541/2vpu.png TRACK2a.png http://imageshack.com/a/img802/6269/dqrx.png TRACK 3 http://imageshack.com/a/img812/8737/0rlg.png

                              The list is endless, but these are "Legit" accounts that received "$300 USD" or so. Small enough to cash out. And these accounts have long standing value.

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                                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (21 children)

                                That'll give him a scare, but what's the significance? I'm not good with computers so I don't know the significance of this

                                [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 57 points58 points  (20 children)

                                When the FBI try to spend a bitcoin ANYWHERE, we will all know about it, because we know that THIS is their wallet address.

                                https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

                                4 of those 29,000 bitcoins were stolen by uncle sam from yours truly.

                                1 of those NINETY SIX FUCKING THOUSAND STOLEN BITCOINS that I just chased after for 20 hours belongs to me, and the big sheep should have just given it to me when I asked him for it. I sold my car for it, thats why I'm so fast. I have to walk everywhere, and I want it back.

                                I asked very politely,you know what us brits are like. But he stole from the wrong guy. I will chase him on foot through hell and out the other side if I have to, so help me god. Running through a car wash is nothing, when its your own stolen car you're sprinting after. forget the other $100 million. That bitcoin is worth more than my 10 year-old Renault Laguna was.

                                Fuck that woolly baaaaaaaastard!

                                I'm going to bed. You take over now - my work is done. 666 him!

                                [–]I_make_werds_up 52 points53 points  (1 child)

                                We need to get this guy a new car.

                                [–]MustardPersona 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                You're a real life Liam Neeson.

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                                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                  You're a diamond, PinkSlime.

                                  Localbitcoins.com is Norwegian-based,and the best way to launder anonymously.

                                  I bet if I go to the site and type Czech republic as my location, one of those 100+ / 100% pro traders is selling for him.

                                  I've been suspicious of a trader with a slavic-sounding name who seems to be based in every town in the UK, selling bitcoin for cash. I've just remembered that this minute. I assumed a load of Polish people had ganged together with the same account.

                                  [–]swefred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  Högevallsgatan Lund,

                                  There are only one buissnies or residence located on this street : LUNDS VOLLEYBOLLKLUBB homepage: http://www.lundsvk.se/

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                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                    Damm, that's impressive. So when he tries to move the cash anywhere, well know and he won't be as anonymous?

                                    [–]g0_west 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                    You write a lot of this sort of stuff (and I'm enjoying it), but you didn't answer the question. What the significance? Do you think everybody in the world is going to boycott this address because you say he's a theif? He can offload those coins at half the price and people will buy them, and he will still have enough to retire 10 times.

                                    [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                    yes. And when they buy them, they will know his name, account number and sort code.

                                    have you ever tried to sell, say, 4 bitcoin? its not easy like buying them.

                                    I'm not here to answer your questions, because I've been a little bit busy. I'm not an expert. I'm not the police. Its not my job.

                                    I'm even happy to stop what I'm doing and we'll give your way a go.

                                    You can't "offload" bitcoin. He can't even give them away.

                                    I've got a fair amount of experience getting bitcoin out of sheep and turning it into cash, as have all the other vendors contributing to this.

                                    Its not about him being able to sell them cheaply. its being able to sell more than 4 a week.

                                    Bitcoin isn't secret or untraceable. Its totally open, everyone can see every account and every penny,for ever. But v bitcoin wallets anonymous. Unless you know that it belongs to a cyber criminal.

                                    [–]miket457 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                    Nicely done OP your work will not go unnoticed! I think this is his personal address he uses to, there has to be a exchange where he has this wallet linked to, to bad we cant supena them.

                                    [–]SnakeEagle 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                                    If bitcoinfog is in on it, then all they must do is to tumble their coins of theft once or twice more and close bitcoinfog and make several millions of cleanly laundered dollars. Or even continue to operate the fog as a quasi-legitimate business to avoid arousing the suspicion that closing the fog would bring upon them. Thieves would never even have to withdraw the illgotten gains from sheep to become rich in the utmost sense

                                    [–]SnakeEagle 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                    I would continue to operate the major wallet and move the coins of theft around to keep the internet detectives misdirected. Tumble the coins multiple times to appear desperate, when in really I would be making the millions in tumble fees.

                                    [–]YumYum_Bottle_of_Rum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    OP posted an exchange sites wallet to keep all of you off his trail. Top LEL.

                                    [–]Fluid_Motion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                    if these are still his coins: https://blockchain.info/address/15GS3n5JZVbfJgEcUH3VNwMLcYubi7sRBk

                                    he transfered 2,000 out of the big wallet, and has kept transfering it and has now lost $334,000 USD out of the original $2,000,000. or I just dont understand blockchain.

                                    [–]bobwrkreddit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                    I think an agency would hire you for ALOT of money...

                                    [–]moosejacket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    This would make for a good movie plot, like Twister where you are following blips on a radar. In this story though /u/sheeproadreloaded2 is Bill Paxton, and he's chasing blips in the blockchain.

                                    Call it, Tumbler.

                                    [–]rockstarsheep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Better brush up on your acting skills, OP. Hollywood is getting ready to call you! Also - well done - you're the Digital Sherlock Holmes. Well played.

                                    [–]czechmatethem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                    /u/sheeproadreloaded2 reply to my message its urgent. need to sleep and cant do so before

                                    [–]pepsiconker 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                    I have a confirmed address of a guy in MA USA, who is almost certainly involved in this btw, I think he is helping tumble for profit, with my BTC which he scammed off me

                                    Fuck this shit is crazy

                                    [–]Kaspanova 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                    hahaha this thread is on an Alex Jones video. They do a small reading of it, with Tom Cruise on top of a train. Bravo! :)

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPwkTfdZnrM

                                    [–]pepsiconker 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                    He certainly seems to like just-dice.com

                                    Sending them millions of dollars, so charitable.

                                    Where is this place located?

                                    [–]Pepys_luvs_big_tits 2 points3 points  (8 children)

                                    they sold cocaine didn't they? he's probably paranoid and not asleep

                                    [–]Arabiansands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Fascinating thread. Two thoughts: 1). Don't depend on conventional means of justice working ....even if the identity could be proven....as one poster said, what prevents him from converting $10 mil on coinbase or Mtgox then wiring it to a bank and taking cash!???there are still shady banks, they may not care.....authorities are a joke..... I once tracked a Nigerian letter scam guy....took me months! long story....I called the FBI and said "got him!" They basically said "so what"

                                    2) interestingly, the bit coin community and anonymous nature may be the biggest threat to this guy....authorities may not do anything but as one poster said, this guy could end up dying

                                    [–]danohuiginn 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                    That address (1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP) has been moving large amounts of BTC since the end of last year. To me, that says it's unlikely this is the thief's own wallet; more likely some 3rd party service.

                                    [–]271828182 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                    I am rooting for you guys!! These are exciting times!

                                    [–]Arabiansands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Wouldn't someone with the ability to do such a sophisticated hack also possibly have the ability to either 1) set up fake breadcrumbs to "reveal" the identity of some innocent person and frame them 2) trace back whoever is tracing him

                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    https://blockchain.info/address/1KdjnkMusbE7yS7UbVgzB1DYnrAKxgDCXh

                                    is where hes putting alot of the coins right now, he transfers ever 2 confirmations

                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                    This is the greatest thing. Anywhere we can tip you?

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                                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                        If your goal is to catch him stop letting him know you're on to him. It will only make it harder to trace in the long run.

                                        Or is there something I'm missing here?

                                        [–]Deriksson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                        By giving us the address we can track where the bitcoins move and follow them easier, more eyes on the coins means that one person doesn't have to spend all day following him around the darknet. Plus the .000666 gets him running scared cause he knows we know where our money is. At least this is my understanding.

                                        [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                        yeah. You're missing pretty much everything.
                                        think he knows that 150,000 btc might be missed.

                                        The only way to catch him is for everyone to know. Not just two of us. we're not the police. everyone can see the blockchain.

                                        If we didn't talk on here,you'd still be moving funds into sheep.

                                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                        I think he's wondering about the 0.00666, not talking here

                                        [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                        Some user called DireBowels emailed me to let me know that he knows I was running SheepMarketplace, and I'm pretending to investigate myself whilst getting away with it.

                                        That's a brilliantly confusing masterplan! I woulda got away with it too if it wasn't for DB!

                                        You got me bang to rights. I never reconed on coming face to face with a genius like you.

                                        Its a fair cop.

                                        [–]Loliita 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                        I put up a note with an email for contact. i transferred .001 BTC.

                                        I will check that email regularly. who knows, could help.

                                        https://blockchain.info/address/1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP

                                        [–]pepsiconker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                        Keep at it guys, I've had $700 stolen, I'll donate if needed.

                                        Don't let this piece of crap get away with it!

                                        [–]Defragster 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                        Could anyone actually explain what "tumbling" is and how it's done at the moment?

                                        [–]moosejacket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                        You put your BTC in with a group of other's BTC, it get's mixed around and you get the same amount back, but the BTC you receive are not all the same BTC you put in.

                                        [–]ouioui1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                        How can people help? Good work guys!

                                        I bet this thieving bastard is shitting himself. All I want is for him/them to not be able to cash out the coins and spend the rest of their (probably short) life in hiding and crapping their pants. It's not just about stealing money but about taking away people's choice to use these markets. Why have people got to get greedy?!

                                        [–]SPC_Bitcoin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                        How was this address labeled "sheep market scam"? doesn't the owner of the address have to do that?

                                        [–]millsdmb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                        you can submit an address tag to blockchain.info

                                        [–]V1ruk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                        So sheeproadreloaded 2, and thenodmanout. What you're saying is, the bitcoin wallet pool is like a tree, and all you had to do was follow addresses to the last branch?

                                        Now I'm assuming he tried to fork out to different accounts and fork back <><><>etc. and all you had to do was follow a path, and then follow another and compare the wallets until you landed on the same wallet twice?

                                        I'd actually be shocked if no one had done that before. I've never gotten into sorting through the blockchain, but I assume with time you could track the movement of every coin in a large graph.

                                        Just mapping out this guys coin movements though might be quite interesting from a research perspective, and also by publicly shaming the guy and trying to prevent him from being able to ever move the coins.

                                        It's interesting that this is essentially the same strategy people use to move their money through tax shelters to prevent tracing.

                                        There are ways out of this though, which I'm sure he's drawing up right now. You may have made a mistake by alerting him to your existence.

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                                          [–]stalker642 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                          Same question here. I'm not involved in this business, I'm just fascinated with the story.

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