Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifford Chase

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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 19:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clifford Chase[edit]

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Author of one possibly notable book, another that seems less notable, and editor of volume that got shortlisted for an award... not much here to go with with regards to WP:NBIO/WP:NAUTHOR, I am afraid. My BEFORE is not giving much. This was likely WP:TOOSOON in 2006 when the entry was created, and it hasn't changed since, which is not a good sign. WP:ATD to consider might be redirecting this to the article about his possibly notable book (Winkie (novel) - the article looks meh but the reviews likely suffice for that entry to meet NBOOK). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors and United States of America. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ : Book review in Slate [1], not enough to meet AUTHOR. Oaktree b (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sorry, found one more [2], should be ok for notability now. Oaktree b (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those are reviews of his books, not works about him. Notability is not inherited (WP:INHERIT). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:Author, reviews can be used to establish notability for an author. So "notability is not inherited" is not correct here b/c reviews can be used to establish than an author has "won significant critical attention." Finally, "notability is not inherited" doesn't apply to citations, it refers to someone claiming to be notable because they are related to someone who is notable. SouthernNights (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SouthernNights Are any of the sources found about him? The page you cite states: "A person is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.". The additional criteria for authors are just supplmentary: "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards... meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included". _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Under notability for creative professionals, it states such a person is notable if "The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." So per the language under (c), the reviews don't have to be about him but his work. And that's exactly what we have here. The reason it states this is because authors and similar creative professionals are usually represented by their works, with many authors even avoiding publicity around themselves. SouthernNights (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Connecticut and Ohio. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - Added several sources. A stub, perhaps, but between the sourced books, and the info generated by Authority Control, I believe this author is notable. — Maile (talk) 03:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK date from Authority Control is at least partially based on Wikipedia/Wikida. Circular reference warning... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above sources of notability. In addition, I found three reviews of the author's work on Kirkus, including a starred review (link), two reviews on Publishers Weekly (link), a story in the NY Times about his novel Winkie being turned into a play, a review in the NYTimes, and a ton of articles and reviews that can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library (including in Newsweek, Lambda Book Report, Bookseller, and other places).--SouthernNights (talk) 13:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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