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WikiEditor1234567123
This request is closed without action at this time. The parties are encouraged to use resources like the reliable sources noticeboard for evaluation of disputed references. WikiEditor1234567123 is warned that, while legends and folklore may in some cases be appropriate for Wikipedia articles or mention in articles about other subjects, it is not acceptable to present them as though they are factual or historical, and any future instances of this may lead to sanction. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning WikiEditor1234567123
This user is well aware that many of the random folktales he uses are outdated, in a similar now deleted article of his he admitted (although only after admins were involved) his mistakes and promised to use more reasonable sources here. Yet he again tried to do the same thing on a different article recently. Again i contacted an admin in their talk page and this user "dropped it". The admin recommended that i could do the WP:AE even if he dropped his case if he has a history of inserting unreliable folktales then promising to do better but then doing it again. I think i demonstrated with the previously now three deleted articles that he has a history of this. I can explain with more detail on why his folkloric sources are outdated and why they shouldn't be relied upon while ignoring important context but since this report shouldn't exceed 500 words i tried to be more short. The deleted articles and recent article talk page has more details. @Seraphimblade Regarding the 4 month old deleted articles, they were only brought up as this user keeps doing the same as he did there (even though he admitted his mistake only after admins became involved). Wikieditor pushes nationalistic POV by using outdated folktales (note: only the ones that benefit him while he ignores the less complimentary folktales which are in the very same sources he uses.) to claim other people's historical figures or to glorify his nation. Surely this is against Wikipedia's policies and counts as WP:NATIONALIST? Not only does he overly rely on outdated folktales but he also like my 4th diff showed removes Chechen translations without explanations and replaces them with Ingush. The previously deleted articles were only included to demonstrate that he has a history of doing what he did 4-5 days ago in the Aldaman-Gheza article. As for if there should be a discussion on his sources i don't know, this report was more about him cherrypicking and pushing nationalistic POV by using outdated folktales, for example one of his sources like this shows that he cherrypicks outdated folktales when it comes to glorifying his own nation while ignoring parts that speak of folktales about Ingush slave clans, Ingush Semitic ancestry etc. As if this isn't enough his recent edit is a continuation of his series of edits on the Orstkhoy article where he includes Chechen-Orstkhoy/Karabulak conflicts [[5]] (Orstkhoy/Karabulaks is both a Chechen and Ingush tribe) while whitewashing Ingush history by either not including or removing Ingush-Orstkhoy/Karabulak conflicts such as [[6]]. If this isn't Nationalistic editing and pushing a POV then i don't know what it is, it is clearly not building an encyclopedia.
Discussion concerning WikiEditor1234567123Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by WikiEditor1234567123Goddard2000 is, in order to find something against me, bringing up 6 months+ old deleted articles of mine, one of which (Battle of the Assa River) I personally told him should be deleted as I understood my mistake. Back then, I was a very inexperienced user that made a lot of grave mistakes, since then I have added information mostly based on reliable sources and not folktales. Further more, this is a very exaggeration that I do nationalist editing because I once added Category:Ingush people in Aldaman Gheza in haste and should have first discussed with him instead. Although I didn't even add the sentences about Ingush ethnicity in the article, because I first wanted to reach consensus with Goddard2000 as can be seen in the talk page. Later, I dropped the ethnicity debate of Aldaman Gheza, not because an admin interfered as Goddard2000 stated, but because I understood that even in that article (which itself is full of folkloric facts masked as historical, such as the battles of Kabardians with Chechens or the participation of Aldaman Gheza in the Battle of Khachara (1667)), ethnicity shouldn't be based of folklore, and lastly, seeing a source mention him as Cheberloy aristocrat. I replaced Chechen translation with Ingush translation in Kazbek, because I thought that Chechen translation wasn't notable enough to be there. Later I told you I could add it back in talk page of an admin if you wanted. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by InedibleHulk
The one year block and site ban of InedibleHulk is lifted. InedibleHulk is topic banned from: Gender-related disputes or controversies and associated people and post-1992 politics of the United States. InedibleHulk is further warned that his conduct is very close to exhausting the patience of the community, and that any topic ban violation or other disruption is likely to lead to reinstatement of an indefinite block with the strong possibility that no one may be willing to lift it again. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Statement by InedibleHulkIt was wrong of me to refer to the Covenant School shooter as a female. I was too trusting of the external sources and not nearly considerate enough of what this might suggest to many transgender editors and readers. I'm not the sort of person who uses a deadname just to be a dick, and wouldn't use one for any reason to refer to a living person. Now, I won't use one to refer to a dead person either, regardless of what the sources say. I don't want any part of this wider culture war or that one article. I also now appreciate how seriously annoying it can be to other editors to be told the same thing (even worded differently) repeatedly, and will stop that, in all discussions. There've been issues with funny, "funny" and confusingly unfunny edit summaries, too; no more in tragic topics. Finally, American politicians, gender controversy and the Florida Panthers are off my menu. With this in mind, I ask for a clear consensus to unban me after three months (on July 13).
Statement by HJ MitchellStatement by (involved editor 1)Statement by (involved editor 2)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by InedibleHulkStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by DrewieStewieI have editing and discussion history, both procedural and side-banter, with InedibleHulk. I also wasn't involved in the discussion leading to this Arbitration Enforcement sanction. Knowing IH, while I didn't condone the behavior resulting in these sanctions, I also thought one year as imposed by HJ Mitchell was excessive, a view shared with several other editors. It was wrong to refer to the shooter by a deadname repeatedly after several warnings, but a year for incivility for an otherwise net-positive long-term editor was a bit much. IH has acknowledged the wrong of his behavior in his request (and frankly never went to the abhorrent extremes RoxyTheDog did at ANI), and these three months should very well be considered time served. It would be a shame and net-loss to discourage his prolific article-space contributions. I'd support lifting a site ban, lifting the block, and imposing no topic bans on him. I am truly convinced IH will avoid on his own volition the behavior leading to this sanction, and I have full trust and confidence in him as an editor. He's clearly learned his lesson. Incident aside, he's helped lighten tensions elsewhere on talk space before with his witty humor, and Wikipedia needs more of that tension eased. DrewieStewie (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Adoring nannyOne thing I hope all editors, but especially IH, take away from this is that if one disagrees with a policy, violating it is not the answer. I don't agree with WP:DEADNAME. But it's a policy, so I make every effort to follow it. That's the way one needs to handle something like that. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Locke ColeI have a few thoughts:
Ultimately I think this block was made in error and should be removed with all haste so that InedibleHulk can return to editing and contributing to articles. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by ThebiguglyalienSpeaking as an uninvolved editor who happened to watch this while it was unfolding but chose not to comment at the time. I do believe that some level of disruption took place and that sanctions were (and still are) appropriate. But a one year block was probably beyond the minimum necessary sanctioning to prevent disruption, and even then I believe InedibleHulk has demonstrated his understanding of the issue and his intention to fix it. I would support an unblock with these conditions:
This is contingent on the fact that there was genuine confusion about this particular GENSEX subject in both the sources and the article's talk page, and I do not believe that InedibleHulk was intentionally deadnaming or trying to push a transphobic POV. The topic ban is purely because he was unable to respect consensus in this area. If he were to attempt to push a transphobic POV, then I would not support any unblock, now or in the future. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by ValereeeI blocked IH for a BLP vio a few years ago so I'm going to consider myself involved. I think an unblock with tbans is worth trying. I hate these gigantic tbans, though, and I'd rather see a narrow definition. AP2 is hard to avoid, but American politician bios is not. Gensex is a little easier, but I'd really hate to see IH blocked for a year because someone is stalking them around, finds they fixed a typo at Dwyane Wade, and hauls them back in for a tban vio. Valereee (talk) 15:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by starship.paintI concur with Valereee, instead of the AP2 ban, I suggest a ban from American politician biographies, plus I propose a ban from edits regarding American politicians. Also, similar to Valereee said, there should not be a block to editing non-GENSEX content on articles only tangentially related to GENSEX (this doesn’t apply to people who are LGBT). starship.paint (exalt) 23:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Result of the appeal by InedibleHulk
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ජපස
Filer Adoring nanny has been blocked by Courcelles as a unilateral AE action. ජපස is informally reminded that the correct response to disruptive editing is to report a user to administrators, not to argue with the user, especially in a designated contentious topic area. Sockpuppetry concerns can be raised at WP:SPI. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 23:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning ජපස
I understand and accept that many see me as a controversial user. I further accept that this will sometimes lead to a personal attack. In such cases, my habit is to go to the user's talk page. Usually, a mutually satisfactory resolution can be found. I don't like the fact that I am filing this complaint based, essentially, on a single interaction. What drove me to it was the continuing and unrelenting hostility. My experience is that users tend to become more reasonable when I raise an issue on their talk page. Here the opposite occurred. Even if, as the user repeatedly stated, I ought to be banned, some sort of reasonable discussion of the matter ought to be possible, leading to a resolution that works for both parties. In this case, by banning me from their talk page, the user shut down such discussion. Due both to my own status and to the brevity of the interaction that led up to this complaint, I request that any sanction the admins impose be limited in scope and/or duration. I would greatly prefer to be resolving this one-on-one with the user. However, that is no longer possible.
Discussion concerning ජපසStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by ජපසThis user does not belong on Wikipedia. See WP:NOTHERE. Furthermore, behavioral evidence points to this user being a sock of blocked users outlined here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Iran_nuclear_weapons_2/Archive which had two different personalities conflated, but one group of them was this account. The behavioral evidence may be sensitive, so you can e-mail me if you are interested. But here is a (partial) list of the socks:
I don't usually have time for this sort of nonsense. I am not amused. If we need to do this here, go ahead. I have not filed a WP:SPI for this bad actor because I think the behavior evidence associated with their account alone should have been enough to get them kicked off. Kick them off. jps (talk) 22:19, 9 July 2023 (UTC) @Courcelles: I have received your reminder and am very happy to take it on board. If you need to, for whatever reason, feel free to make some sort of formal logged note (I don't know how this stuff is supposed to work anymore, I am happy to say). I hope you understand that I try not to involve myself with WP:AE or other drahmaboards at all if I can help it. They are all risky places, and this has been made all the more clear from various peanut gallery comments and the implied swipes against my character showing up here. I am a little sad that SFR, who I thought I got along with well enough, seems to be holding a grudge against me -- it feels like it might be because of my criticisms of his position in the ArbCom case he is referencing. I could also just be overly sensitive, but that's what these spaces tend to cause, unfortunately. Long and the short of it is I don't like this side of Wikipedia and really would rather not bring any user here if I can help it. Obviously, there are instances where it absolutely must be done, but it is hard to know when that is. Obviously, this particular conflict came to a head, but I have to admit surprise that it did! jps (talk) 17:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Tryptofish (jps)I'll start by saying that I don't know anything about the sockpuppetry claims. But this complaint is without merit. To a significant extent, it grows out of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Adoring nanny/Essays/Lab Leak Likely (2nd nomination). Jps is being blunt, but is correct in calling out fringe POV-pushing. (As far as I'm concerned, the difference between "willfully ignorant" and either "willful" or "ignorant" alone does not create an AE-level NPA problem.) This does not rise to the level of needing AE action. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by HeadbombAll I have to add here is that jps is dropping threats of AE pseudoscience enforcement (also [9]) more than Trump complains about the deep state whenever they can't get their way in edit wars. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by uninvolved ViriditasThis incident is a textbook example of Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing. ජපස (jps) has become impatient and aggressive in the face of fringe POV, which is unfortunate, but understandable. ජපස (jps) has made a remarkable and measurable effort in improving Wikipedia by pointing out issues with fringe POV. In the heat of discussion, human emotions and personalities will often clash, leading to the current status of the report. In any case, the behavioral response from ජපස (jps) to perceived civil POV pushing from Adoring nanny doesn’t rise to the level of sanctions, IMO. As for a boomerang, I will leave that discussion to others. Viriditas (talk) 22:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by PaleoNeonateMy comment is not about jps, but to mention that Adoring Nanny's editing history shows a sustained campaign wasting the community's time for POV pushing in the COVID area. It's not surprising that the community ultimately reacts to that, it was a question of time. —PaleoNeonate – 00:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by PackMecEng
Statement by ScottishFinnishRadishWikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Skepticism and coordinated editing#Editor conduct saysWikipedia editors are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other editors; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited.ජපස/jps has some history with issues like this, so maybe a "hey, please don't do that" is in order.Dealing with fringe topics where fringey people push buttons, sealion, and generally edit poorly can certainly lead to stress and lashing out, but that is no different than any other CTOP. Such behavior generally isn't overlooked in those topics just because someone else was editing poorly. One of the things that leads over-taxed editors having to patrol and defend a topic area is that poor editing on either side, and especially when it is on both sides, leads to a toxic shit-show that uninvolved editors don't care to wade into. If one finds themself unable to edit about a topic without making personal attacks, they should step back and take a breather, not contribute to a bad editing environment. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by SpringeeIn looking at jps's comments I think they are walking the CIVIL line. It's one thing to suggest someone has other than good faith motives on a user talk page but doing so on other pages poisons the well. It does nothing to make your arguments logically stronger but it does tend to promote further incivility. jps's concerns may be valid but, per wp:FOC they shouldn't be discussing them on the deletion page in question. I don't support any formal warning but I would say they need to change their approach. As for any sanctions against AN, what evidence has been presented? jps has suggested sock editing. If true then AN should be blocked as a sock. Claims of civil POV pushing need to be handled carefully as one person's POV pushing may be another's reasonable evidence. More importantly, it's OK to suggest/argue for content so long as it's done civilly and doesn't involved edit warring. AN may wrongly argue for some addition but so long as they accept when consensus is against them they shouldn't be sanctioned. Certainly they shouldn't be sanctioned here as the complaint has merit and the claims of socking are basically presented without evidence. Springee (talk) 15:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by KoAI'll endorse the indef. As someone seeing the interactions as someone uninvolved in that area, I was seeing AD's behavior earlier as really obvious WP:SEALIONING in the interaction with jps with jps being fairly measured in response. It was pretty clear some sort of topic ban from the subject was needed, but I do think Courcelles had a valid point that the POV pushing was apt to just shift around if it was only a topic ban. It was a clearcut WP:NOTHERE case, so I'm kind of surprised AD hadn't been brought here earlier. Coming here for a boomerang just put it well over the top. KoA (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by starship.paintAgree with Springee, where is the strong evidence needed for a straight indef, User:Courcelles could you cite the evidence that you have seen? starship.paint (exalt) 23:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Horse Eye's BackWhether or not the user remains indeffed the sock puppetry allegations need to be exhaustively examined, if true (and they do appear to be at least plausible) then the indeff isn't the end of the problem. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Novem LinguaeI agree with the blocking admin that Adoring nanny has been engaging in sealioning. It has not been fun to have Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory on my watchlist for the last two years. Perhaps this block will help make the COVID-19 origins topic area more pleasant to edit in. There have been sockpuppet allegations made against Adoring nanny (stating that they are connected to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iran nuclear weapons 2), but as far as I can tell no one has filed paperwork at WP:SPI yet. I'd recommend that this be done. If this person has been a sock all along, that'd be good to know and may affect things such as unblock requests. And if not, then it will prevent a rumor from going around. ජපස, would you be willing to file an SPI? You can go to Adoring nanny's userpage, then go to Twinkle -> ARV -> Sockpuppet to file the paperwork fairly easily. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC) Result concerning ජපස
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NMW03
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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning NMW03
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- R.Lemkin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- NMW03 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 21 June 2023 First time NMW03 reverts me on an article they never edited before without any kind of discussion
- 23 June 2023 NMW03 again reverts me on an article they never edited before, claims my edit "has nothing to do" with the topic without discussing why
- 23 June 2023 Yet another NMW03 revert for article never edited before, again saying "has nothing to do with this page" without discussing
- 29 June 2023 Another instance of NMW03 WP:HOUNDING me to an article they never edited before to alter my edit
- 29 June 2023 NMW03 hounding again to write an essay in the edit summary instead of discussing, remove the entirety of my edit instead of just the parts they disagreed with
- 5 July 2023 I had addressed the concerns NMW03 had in the previous diff, yet they are still hounding me on the article and then make unnecessary biased POV changes to text that was already neutral POV. And NMW03 is still not using the talk page at all.
- 6 July 2023 NMW03 reverting me twice on the same page within 24 hours. In the first revert, NMW03 called a source unreliable without explaining why. I had also pointed out there was another citation, but NMW continued hounding, ignoring the additional source, and showing bad faith
- 6 July 2023 another NMW03 hounding revert, claiming Artsakh isn't a common name even though it's the name of the Republic of Artsakh article. And NMW03 scrapped the word entirely, even in the context of residents of the Artsakh republic. This is just blatant POV pushing now.
- 7 July 2023 NMW03 following me again to remove all uses of the word "Artsakh" on this article too even though it's the common name of Republic of Artsakh; more hounding, POV pushing, and edit warring
- If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
- AA2 advisory and warned for Edit warring
- Introduction to contentious topics and warned for breaking WP:1RR
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
NMW03 has been increasingly stalking my edits to revert them, and is now hounding every day. NMW03's changes are clearly disruptive POV pushing and in bad faith, and continues to follow whichever article I edit to no end. --R.Lemkin (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Callanecc: Which articles has NMW03 edited before reverting me? With the exception of Political status of Nagorno-Karabakh, NMW03's first edit was removing my changes in all of the articles listed. And even for Political status of Nagorno-Karabakh, NMW03 only started editing it two weeks after I had, showing they likely were stalking me for that article as well, and their second edit on the article was reverting one of mine. R.Lemkin (talk) 17:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning NMW03
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Statement by NMW03
I have been editing Wikipedia for a while, and these articles were already on my watchlist. I did not intentionally follow you to find any of them. I apologize if any of my reverts gave you that impression. In the future, I will take your suggestion to open discussions and try to communicate more effectively. But I want to ask question. If you didn't agree with my reverts, why didn't you open a discussion before?--NMW03 (talk) 08:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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Result concerning NMW03
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Having looked through the diffs above some of them show NMW03's first edit on an article is to revert R.Lemkin. On other articles, NMW03 had edited the article before the R.Lemkin revert. Given this I'm not convinced that there is sufficient evidence of hounding to warrant sanctions. Having said that I'd recommend that in the future the two of you discuss your edits and engage in dispute resolution. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry R.Lemkin I was looking at Political status of Nagorno-Karabakh and missed your edit a couple weeks earlier. I wonder whether at this point, short of applying sanctions, we might be able to solve this by saying this: NMW03 it appears that your editing in these articles has been targetted against R.Lemkin. You mention above that if R.Lemkin didn't agree with your edits that they should have started a discussion, given that it was you who was following R.Lemkin's edits and then reverting them it was encumbent on you to start a discussion rather than edit war across multiple articles. I would strongly caution you to be consider your editing and ensure that you are not following other editors around to revert them specifically. If you have a general issue with their edits follow our dispute resolution processes and start a discussion before reverting. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Theheezy
Indeffed by Courcelles as a regular admin action. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Theheezy
I hold these diffs to be self-evident; that they are personalizations, extreme WP:ADVOCACY, and general disruption. jps (talk) 20:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Above, it seems like admins were requesting that we bring more of these instances to them. This one is pretty egregious. Personalization, conspiracy theory promotion, and a general pattern of petty harassment seem to be the M.O. of this user. Amazing that we have so many WP:NOTHERE examples floating around, but here we are. jps (talk) 20:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning TheheezyStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Theheezy
I think WP:INDEF WP:NOTHERE ban is appropriate for my behavior. Theheezy (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Tryptofish (Theheezy)I just commented about this in an AE thread above: [17], and didn't see this AE thread until after I had posted it. But yes, I think that there is quite a bit of WP:NOTHERE going on. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by JPxG@Theheezy: The arbitration committee does not, itself, process arbitration enforcement requests. The process is convoluted and poorly explained, which is not any specific people's fault, but here is how it works: "Arbitration" requests are handled by the Committee, and "Arbitration Enforcement" requests are handled by "uninvolved administrators" (as nebulously defined at WP:INVOLVED). jp×g 23:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Raj208
Indeffed by Courcelles as a regular admin action. Johnuniq (talk) 08:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Raj208
The editing history is not very long and shows a clear pattern.
I propose a WP:NOTHERE block or an AP2 topic ban that may allow them to try editing in other areas. Clearly a user on a mission to right great wrongs since the beginning. Thanks.
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Justito
Indeffed by Bishonen as a regular admin action. Johnuniq (talk) 08:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Justito
So many, but let's just choose WP:ARBPSEUDO for one.
Etc., etc., etc. I challenge to find recent diffs from this user that are not active WP:PROFRINGE WP:POVPUSH WP:AGENDA edits. What is going on?
Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given. Knock and the door shall be opened. WP:NOTHERE. Same story as before. I'm sorry, all. This is what we deal with all the time.
Discussion concerning JustitoStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by JustitoHow long do I have to respond? This has been confusing trying to figure out what exactly this is and how to respond. Frankly Seems like a huge overreaction and/or attempt to discourage, bother or block people with valid edits you don’t like for personal/political reasons. Going to bed and cant deal with this for a couple of days probably. Statement by (username)Result concerning Justito
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Tombah
Tombah is indefinitely topic-banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed. While some editors did express good-faith content concerns in this topic area, there is no indication that applicable content-review processes are unable to address them. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Tombah
Working on a sensitive topic like the one we are currently discussing (Zionism, race and genetics) is hard work, and comments like the above make it much more difficult. The editor saying they don’t want to cast aspersions didn’t reduce the impact.
Discussion concerning TombahStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by TombahOnceinawhile is a brilliant editor with great talents, and through him, I've learned a lot. I have no wish and didn't intend to disrespect him personally. But, things have to be said: we have a serious POV problem today on Wikipedia in everything Israel- and even Jewish-related. Once's recent articles, judging from their titles, content, and DYKs, all seem to aim for delegitimizing Israel and/or Zionism (from various aspects), or, to undermine Jewish history in the Land of Israel:
Sometimes those articles present well sourced but biased material, and sometimes they utilize synthesis and original research − as is the case in the article we currently refer to- Zionism, race and genetics − to prove a point and convince readers to follow a certain viewpoint. The article in question is thankfully now a candidate for deletion for multiple reasons, including the ones I mentioned above. Among the other reasons is the continuing use of the word "belief" to refer to Jewish descent from the Israelites, virtually ignoring the conventional view in genetic research, which is that most Jewish ethnic sub-divisions share Middle Eastern ancestry which may be derived from the ancient Near East, putting them in proximity to other groups of the Levant and the Eastern Mediterranean, such as Lebanese, Druze, Samaritans, Palestinians, Greeks and Italians. Yes, that also probably includes most Jews whose ancestors migrated from Warsaw, Poland, to New York City one hundred years ago for example. The same article was created in the first place as a reaction to a challenged edit by Once and a discussion surrounding it at Zionism, so it is hard not to view it as something akin to an attack page, aimed at winning a talkpage debate, which other user also described as "a textbook example of WP:SYNTH". Unfortunately, this is only the tip of the iceberg, and there are not only new articles, but many older ones, that suffer from the same issues. Here (#1, #2), for example, during the last week, Once has been trying to "prove" that Jews are largely descended from converts. In reality, while a few known cases are generally agreed upon (i.e. the Edomite population in southern Judea under Hasmonean rule), there is zero evidence to support large-scale conversions to Judaism. It is only logical to assume that the purpose of those edits to List of converts to Judaism was to support the new article in question. Activism is a problem we don't have many tools to deal with on Wikipedia, and unfortunately, Once is not strictly acting alone, but with the help of other like-minded editors with very similar ideologies, exactly as described in WP:Activism, who join each other editing the same pages, and back each other when facing criticism. This recent surge in Anti-Israeli articles (including the fairly recent Zionism as settler colonialism, Death to Arabs, Legality of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, Land expropriation in the West Bank and there is even one newer to the aforementioned "Zionism, race and genetic": Thirty-seventh government of Israel and the Palestinians Once has been just invited to contribute to) on Wikipedia is problematic, and is even worrying. We're in a world where antisemitism is on the rise, and again, unfortunately, this kind of point-scoring and synthetic and unbalanced editing may contribute to this rise in hate speech, if not to violence. We have the responsibility to stop this phenomenon, and as a first step, we must be able to recognize and stop activism when we see it. This, and not personally attacking anybody, is what I was trying to do during the discussion Once mentioned above. Tombah (talk) 14:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Walt YoderIt does seem to me that there are multiple editors in the Israel-Palestine space who are creating content which is essay-like and argumentative, but not encyclopedic in nature. When somebody calls them out, they claim personal attacks, bias by the other editor, or that any editor who has not read a specific 400-page book in detail is not qualified to comment (diff). None of which address the criticism. There are clear problems with Zionism, race and genetics as it currently exists, and Tombah should be commended for pointing them out, not punished for failing to reach an impossible standard of politeness. Walt Yoder (talk) 14:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by SelfstudierTombah needs to dial it back with the anti-Semitism/WPconspiracy innuendo, it's getting tiresome. The recent Diff is a typical example. Like minded editors? What about User_talk:Drsmoo#Antisemitism?? I could equally say there are a bunch of editors conspiring to push Israeli nationalist POV positions in Wikipedia but do I have any evidence? Evidence free allegations have no merit.Selfstudier (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Iskandar323Once is meticulous in adding reliably sourced content from WP:RSP, journal and book sources. The material they present, well ... it is what it is. The truth will set you free. What definitely does not set us free is the breakdown of AGF and a devolution into idle insinuation. Anyone forgetting AGF, and in doing so aggravating other editors, as well as, by requiring concerns over this to be taken to disciplinary forums, wasting community time, needs reminding of AGF. We keep thoughts to ourselves for a reason. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by PaleoNeonateI just wanted to note that there also currently is a related open thread at WP:FTN where participation is welcome. —PaleoNeonate – 22:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by NableezyAn editor is upset that their personal POV is being challenged by reliably sourced articles. They make absurd claims that manifestly notable topics like Zionism as settler colonialism are evidence of a spate of anti-Israeli editing. And they do this while making articles like Origin of the Palestinians. Compare the sourcing at Zionism, race and genetics and at Origin of the Palestinians. See who is primarily using sources representing a nakedly partisan viewpoint, and minimizing the opposing viewpoint. Being upset that your personal position is not accepted as gospel truth on Wikipedia is not an excuse for repeated personal attacks. And it should not be allowed to continue. I am unaware of Tombah's motives being repeatedly attacked. He should return the favor to the people he interacts with. All that said, I think Tombah is a very smart editor, and Id rather he continue editing than be restricted from doing so, but this one-way sniping cannot keep happening. That or let this degrade in to a free for all where we can all say what we feel about each other without consequence. nableezy - 05:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Zero0000Challenging the content of articles is par for the course, but Tombah's constant impugning of the motives of other editors is very tiresome. I don't like filing reports against other editors but this one is long overdue. Of course everyone who edits in the ARBPIA area has their biases. Unfortunately, Tombah has a self-righteous belief that s/he is an exception. His/her response above is indicative. Someone really needs to buy Tombah a mirror. Zerotalk 05:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC) The editors most likely to write against Tombah here are those whose integrity Tombah endlessly questions. But for Tombah this is evidence of a conspiracy ("an exceptional level of communication and sync"). One would have thought that Tombah would at least tone down the accusations for the duration of this case, but alas the opposite has happened. Zerotalk 09:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by ThebiguglyalienUninvolved except for two comments (one, two) to the effect of what I'm about to say here. I expect most editors will agree when I say that this area, more than any other, has a significant unaddressed WP:CPUSH problem. I believe that Tombah's accusations of inappropriate collaboration to push an anti-Israeli POV are true. I believe that Selfstudier and Nableezy's counter-accusations of inappropriate collaboration to push a pro-Israeli POV are also true. I'm an adherent of the WP:TIGER/WP:INSCRUTABLE philosophy. If you can confidently tell what an editor's predilections are purely from their editing in a given area or from the trend when they !vote in discussions, then serious consideration should be given to whether their long term contributions run afoul of WP:NPOV and to whether they should continue editing in that area. I believe that the evidence provided by Tombah makes it clear that Onceinawhile has fallen short of this standard. Given the previous AE sanction and after a brief glance at their contributions, I doubt that Tombah would survive such scrutiny either. It's my suspicion that more than half of the editors that commented at the AfD discussion or at this AE discussion would be identified as a disruptive POV pusher if this standard were applied. It is possible to edit despite your own personal biases rather than in service of them. Despite this, many regular editors in this area have chosen specifically to write things that are predominantly negative about Israel or predominantly negative about Palestine, and we need to consider whether this topic era benefits from their participation. I contend that it does not, and I will support sanctions (AE or otherwise) against any and all editors that can be shown to predominantly contribute in a way that denigrates or reflects poorly on a specific nation or ethnicity. This includes Onceinawhile based on Tombah's testimony, and it would presumably include many other editors on either end of this dispute if similar evidence were to be demonstrated. I expect to make a lot of friends among the ARBPIA regulars with this position. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Drsmoo(Redacted) Drsmoo (talk) 20:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by BoynamedsueI would just like to add a comment on Tombah's opening statement. They argue that Onceinawhile's delegitimising of Israel includes: This is an accusation of judging Israel by standards that would not be applied to another country, which is defined as antisemitic by the IHRA definition of antisemitism. I find it unlikely that this allusion to the IHRA definition is accidental, and it would therefore constitute a deliberate, and completely baseless, insinuation of antisemitism on the part of Onceinawhile. --Boynamedsue (talk) 20:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by TBI agree with Nableezy, and this needs a boomerang logged warning at minimum. Frankly, I will go as far as to suggest that anybody who claims "Zionism as settler colonialism" to be the product of activism, implying a lack of encyclopedic value notwithstanding the hundreds of scholars who have written on it, can be safely blocked per CIR. TrangaBellam (talk) 23:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Tombah
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Appeal request by GoodDay
Appeal request by GoodDay (talk)
Sanction, that appeal is being requested for
Administrator imposing the sanction
Notification of that administrator
Statement by GoodDay
Well, it' been a full year now, since my t-ban was imposed. I might've been able (not sure) to request having it lifted six-months ago, but chose to wait longer. I understand the mistakes I made & certainly recognise that the topic-in-general is indeed contentious. Should administrators chose to lift my t-ban from GenSex? I can easily promise, it's a topic area I would very much rather avoid. If any questions, please feel free to ping me. PS - I will also avoid the editor, whom I wrongly described with an offensive pronoun & not use such offensive pronouns on any other editors. Heated exchanges do not excuse, such utterances. GoodDay (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I've been asked why appeal, if I'm going to avoid the topic anyway. Because, it's less stressful, if one edits a page (unknowingly) even remotely related to Gensex, without the possibility of breaching a formal t-ban. GoodDay (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Good catch @Courcelles:, I did appeal, six months ago. My apologies for the over sight. Since then, I've successfully had my t-ban modified. GoodDay (talk) 17:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
@Sideswipe9th:, I've no plans to make any Gensex related edits or get involved in Gensex content disputes/discussions. If my appeal is successful? I would certainly walk away or stay away, from such disputes & undo any edits to main space, if seen as problematic. GoodDay (talk) 18:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Dennis Brown
Statement by Sideswipe9th
Just to note on the timeline, this is GoodDay's third appeal, having made and withdrawn an appeal in January 2023, and having made a successful amendment request in February 2023.
I'm honestly not sure what it's less stressful, if one edits a page (unknowingly) even remotely related to Gensex, without the possibility of breaching a formal t-ban
will mean in practice. After the amendment in February, GoodDay can already make his typical Wikignome style edits to GENSEX articles without fear of breaching the TBAN. I have to ask, what sort of edits and contributions are you planning on making if this appeal is successful, and that you can't make now? Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal request by GoodDay
Statement by FormalDude
Why are you appealing the t-ban if you "would very much rather avoid" the topic area? ––FormalDude (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Result of the appeal request by GoodDay
- I find myself unimpressed this appeal is filed without a link to the withdrawn appeal in the archive. Looks like it was withdrawn when it was apparent it was going nowhere. Courcelles (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Appeal request by Товболатов
Appeal request by Товболатов (talk)
Sanction, that appeal is being requested for
- indefinitely topic-banned from articles related to ethnic minority groups in the former Soviet Union, broadly construed
Administrator imposing the sanction
Notification of that administrator
Statement by Товболатов
Hello, respected arbitral tribunal. I have a topic restriction indefinitely topic-banned from articles related to ethnic minority groups in the former Soviet Union, broadly construed. My violation 17 February 2023 tendentious editing across multiple articles, particularly this editing spree on February 16 (Special:Diff/1139722862, Special:Diff/1139722968, Special:Diff/1139723019, Special:Diff/1139723084, Special:Diff/1139723110, Special:Diff/1139723167, Special:Diff/1139723254, Special:Diff/1139723211). I admit it's my fault. Half a year has passed, I did not participate in disputes, I did not violate the rules. Request to the community to remove the restrictions from me. I won't break the rules. User talk:Товболатов, User talk:Товболатов, Special:Contributions/Товболатов.
Sincerely, Tovbolatov. Товболатов (talk) 21:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Rosguill
Statement by (involved editor 2)
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal request by Товболатов
Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)
Result of the appeal request by Товболатов
- Absolutely not. Essentially no editing since sanctioned. Should have been blocked for this. Likely we need to broaden this to the former USSR, including modern successor republics, broadly construed. Courcelles (talk) 22:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)