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Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw^(talk) 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

'tis the season

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Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This is cool

Parking the link: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/TED_conferences/TED_speakers_challenge/Participants#Prizes

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Starresha

I don't know if you've seen her but I thought you might enjoy this article on Starresha, registered as a bay. Might be a good source for updating the breed characteristics in the thoroughbred article talking about colors.

Oh, and do you think anyone has the energy to work on our next good article? Of the articles I've worked on lately, Man o' War is pretty decent and might be closest, Dan Patch could use a review but is decent, and I've just finished an upgrade on Dr. Fager (though I still have a bunch of sources to flip through - Steve Haskin loves to write about him!) And I'd love to get Northern Dancer upgraded as part of the Canada 10,000 project. Jlvsclrk (talk) 04:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Charmayne James image

As per our previous discussion regarding this image file of the statue of Charmayne James and her horse, Scamper: [1] we were discussing the possibility of using this image in Charmayne's article as a fair use image - special case. In Charmayne's case, we thought it might pass fair use even though she is still alive, as the horse is deceased and it shows her at the peak of her career.

But more importantly, we thought it might fly as a special exception for a fair use image given that it conveys a historic moment - her bridleless win. Does it qualify as replicating a unique moment? I am pinging Wehwalt as you suggested, as he is an expert of these type of cases. Thnaks! dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

You'd have better luck finding an actual image of her that was published in a few other articles. WPRA or NFR images are more apt to pass fair use. The problem with statues/sculptures/art is that it requires permission from the artist as well as the owner of the statue, and getting a fair use application accepted at WP is worse than a root canal. ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:38, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm dubious. It's not a historic image in so many words but an artist's impression of that historic moment. Assuming it's historic, that is, which I'm far from certain of.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Wehwalt Fair enough. I appreciate you taking the time to look at it. I'm sure montanabw will chime in when she can. As she stated earlier on in a post, she is terribly busy in real life right now. Thanks again and happy trails! dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:23, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I know I have seen an actual photo of the bridleless win, I think in 2011 or '12 Barrel Horse News from November or December. For any non-horse stalkers, it was like somebody winning the Indianapolis 500 without an adequate steering wheel. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice analogy WAF. And rodeo never seems to be historic to many people outside of its fans (not wanting to make a blanket statement of course). Just like the reviewer of my recently created article on Mossy Oak Mudslinger thought we couldn't possibly have an SNG on bucking bulls when faced with one of the most historic and baddest of them of all time and tagged it for notability. LOL. dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:27, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Montana earthquake

Yes, the 5.8 magnitude earthquake was fairly close to where I live. Yes, I noticed it. Yes, I am fine. Yes, the horses are fine. No, we don't appear to have any significant damage to buildings in the community, but a lot of ketchup fell off the shelves at Wal-Mart and that photo is going viral. Thanks everyone who emailed for your kind expressions of concern. Hugs to all! (Historic note: My mother remembers the 1935 Helena earthquake). Montanabw^(talk) 21:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

So glad to know you are safe M! Thanks for letting us know. MarnetteD|Talk 21:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

This is The Far Side cartoon that's going around facebook about it: [2] Montanabw^(talk) 21:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The only earthquake I've been in, I never noticed it as I was driving from Montreal to Trois-Rivieres in 1988 I think and I stopped at a gas station and there was no power.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Happy to know that you are safe. Will publish an article you wrote, translated to German, tomorrow, because it's the birthday of someone mentioned in it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

My social media is lacking as I haven't heard about it until you posted here. Weird. But definitely glad all is well there with you and yours. The cartoon is funny. dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I knew it would take more than a 5.8 earthquake to shake you up. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

The first shake and first aftershock were a little freaky... after that, it was mostly just not being able to sleep so, talking about it on facebook, watching people weigh in about it (someone way over in Spokane said they felt it, and also rumors it was noticed on the west side of Billings). I noticed the aftershocks that were 4.0 and up, but missed the 3.9 one yesterday morning even though two other people in the building did feel it... wasn't paying attention, I guess. Montanabw^(talk) 22:07, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Anybody wanna review?

Charmayne James is up for GA. I'm co-nom and this is the first GA attempt for Dawnleelynn. We are hoping for a quick review! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:29, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll take you up on offer of gnoming for Signpost

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In the media needs copyediting, if you dont' mind. Thanks! - Bri (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Signpost gnoming

Several sections could do with copyediting – notifying you here as well per your request - Evad37 [talk] 02:48, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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	Hey, Montanabw, I love your excellent writing skills. Your FAs and GAs are inspiring. Just want you to know how much they are appreciated by the wiki community. Rosiestep (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello?

Montanabw, I have a question. Are you working here today? 😆 ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

A little, yes. Montanabw^(talk) 01:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I interpreted the policy/guideline accurately, and presented it with clarity. It's a non-free/fair-use discussion over at the Sultan's Great Day media TP if you want to give it a peek. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:53, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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Blackfeet nation redirects

Blackfeet nation and Blackfeet Nation now point to different pages, and only one mentions Blackfeet Nation as a name. Does the different capitalisation give it a different meaning, or should both redirect to the same page? Peter James (talk) 17:33, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh dear. I'll sort it out. Those articles are all kind of a mess and some merges might not be the worst idea. No, in this case they should both point to the same article, but the problem is that we have an ethnic group with three major sub-groups that cross an International boundary with people of all three groups on both sides, and two different sets of political entities governing now, plus a historic confederacy (that crossed an international boundary too) and so it's kind of a challenge. We can probably work together to sort this all out. Montanabw^(talk) 18:36, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, Peter James, I looked over what's out there and the best solution was to make one of them a dab, so I did. Feel free to discuss further if you have ideas to help clarify things further. Montanabw^(talk) 19:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I had noticed when looking for information that the different capitalisation went to different pages, it isn't something I know enough about to make more than minor edits - I should have probably taken it to RFD rather than making the change myself. The disambiguation page is more helpful, as there are no links between the two pages other than in templates; I've redirected Blackfoot Nation to it. Piegan Blackfeet has an explanation; could an article describing the term Blackfoot/Blackfeet be a possibility? Peter James (talk) 19:30, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

The nomenclature is confusing -- and I happen to live about three hours from Browning, Montana! The Blackfoot Confederacy article is probably the best of the current "catchall" articles at the moment, so maybe something there. But I am reluctant to delve very deep into this without doing a LOT of research first, as the background is pretty complex. Montanabw^(talk) 21:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ironically, we just had a similar discussion regarding NPP and articles tagged for speedy-d vs redirects. I think Montanabw made the right move using dab.^{Atsme📞📧} 01:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

As a disambiguation, Blackfeet Nation is a fork of Blackfoot (disambiguation). It's been tagged with {{incoming links}}, and I'm here because Blackfoot Confederacy landed in Category:Articles with redirect hatnotes needing review (because Blackfoot stopped redirecting to that article). Having spent the bulk of my time today working on disambiguation of Dayan – which almost always refers to Dayan (rabbinic judge) – I'm not in the mood to go through another one of these exercises. So as Blackfoot Confederacy is the collective name of three First Nation band governments in the provinces of Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia, and one Native American tribe in Montana, that seems to me an appropriate broad-concept article for all things Blackfoot and Blackfeet (including Nations). If you would like to re-target particular generic links to a more specific article, feel free. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:44, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what you are asking us to do, as "Blackfoot confederacy" is NOT in fact the collective name for the modern governments, but rather is a historic anthropological construct. But if you can clarify what the best procedure is in MOS DAB land, I can try to clean up. It is clear that there are far more items at Blackfoot (disambiguation) than the people, so what is the best way to be clear that people are not plants? Montanabw^(talk) 21:49, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

For starters, there are 58 articles linking to Blackfeet. If this is an ambiguous term, then I'm asking you to disambiguate these links. For example, Albert Racine was a Blackfoot artist from Browning, Montana, noted for his relief wood carvings depicting the life and culture of the Blackfeet. It's not clear to me that there is any difference between Blackfoot and Blackfeet; the first term refers to an individual person (singular form of foot) and the second refers to the tribe (plural for people). I think redirecting these back to Blackfoot Confederacy is sufficient, as that covers all Blackfoot/Blackfeet people. wbm1058 (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, I think I can fix this. The "Blackfoot/Blackfeet" thing is horribly confusing, but the best way to say it is "All Blackfeet are Blackfoot, but not all Blackfoot are Blackfeet". Or put differently, those who care, care a lot. Give me a day or two to try and get this fixed. The family or articles is kind of a mess on top of this issue, but I'll see what I can do. Montanabw^(talk) 22:15, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@Wbm1058 and Peter James:, I solved the problem (at least for now) by moving the Indian Reservation article to Blackfeet Nation (which is what their new draft constitution uses, so clearly the people's preferred title: [3]). I am trying to fix all capitalization variants there, and for now am keeping "Blackfoot Nation" as a redirect there as well, though there is a decent argument to make it a separate dab. The ethnic group article is Blackfoot Confederacy and I'm rather making a judgement call to not redirect the "nation" articles to it because it never was a unified nation, it was basically an alliance of related people akin to the Iroquois confederacy. Each of the four modern Blackfoot/Blackfeet bands are separate legal entities and each have their own "nation" article. Montanabw^(talk) 22:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, your changes make sense to me and are holding so far; the Confederacy is a confederacy of four nations; one of the four has a very similar, but subtly different name, while the other 3 nations have more unique names. links to "Blackfoot Confederacy" still shows some "Blackfeet" variants. Perhaps those without "confereracy" as part of the title should redirect to the Nation? – wbm1058 (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Wbm1058, it's probably going to be contextual. Those related directly to the people who live in the United States, then, most likely, Blackfeet. Those referencing the larger ethnic group historically, to the individual band articles where possible, but then to the Confederary. Really, what probably should happen is that the confederacy article should be shortened to just discuss the political alliance, and a larger article encompassing the ethnic group probably should be created, something akin to how Iroquois is handled. But that's a big job and probably for a team. Montanabw^(talk) 17:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Colors

Just curious...have you seen this and/or this? My guess would be yes, you have. This one shows the dark thru the shoulders, and this one. I suppose it matters not since there's no way to examine anything under a microscope. ^{Atsme📞📧} 03:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Cream gene with sooty gene. No question. That said, the new discoveries of "non-dun1" and "non-dun2" are making my head explode, as apparently some countershading strips can occur which are not dun. Non-dun 1 might explain this. Montanabw^(talk) 03:56, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

American Computer & Robotics Museum

Today, while updating the article on the world's first microcomputer, the Micral N (one of the few surviving copies of it recently sold for 62,000 euros to someone in Seattle), I just discovered the American Computer & Robotics Museum, another one of Montana's hidden gems. Was wondering if you had heard of it, or perhaps even visited it? A real added incentive for me to make another trip to Montana... they have an IBM 1620 in their collection... that's the machine on which I learned FORTRAN, when I was in high school. wbm1058 (talk) 01:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I visited the place about 15+ years ago; at the time they had a visiting exhibit of one of the Apollo computers, that was fun. (They also had a PONG machine... the first video game I ever saw, LOL) Yes, small place, but a real gem. It's in Bozeman, which is a good starting point for a Montana vacation, as it's also where a lot of people fly in if they want to see Yellowstone Park. Montanabw^(talk) 03:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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