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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#19 August 2016|19 August 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that 55 years after her death, '''[[Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh]]''' was found to have secreted away cash and jewels valued at over 137,000 [[Swiss franc|francs]] in a Swiss bank vault?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh]]. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-09&end=2016-08-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Catherine_Hilda_Duleep_Singh Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#19 August 2016|19 August 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that 55 years after her death, '''[[Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh]]''' was found to have secreted away cash and jewels valued at over 137,000 [[Swiss franc|francs]] in a Swiss bank vault?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh]]. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-09&end=2016-08-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Catherine_Hilda_Duleep_Singh Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYK --> [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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== Editor of the Week [20 August 2016] ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 2px solid lightgray" |Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as [[WP:Editor of the Week|Editor of the Week]] for exceptional copyediting. Thank you for the great contributions! <span style="color:#a0a2a5">(courtesy of the [[WP:WER|<span style="color:#80c0ff">Wikipedia Editor Retention Project</span>]])</span>
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[[User:Checkingfax]] submitted the following nomination for [[WP:Editor of the Week|Editor of the Week]]:
:I nominate Corinne to be Editor of the Week for her tireless and persistent efforts copy editing articles submitted by other editors to the [[WP:Guild of Copy Editors|Guild of Copy Editors]] (GOCE). Her meticulous, subtle attention to detail and ability to turn a phrase are unique on Wikipedia. She does this discretely and seeks no acknowledgement for her efforts. Corinne takes on the hard articles; topics that would go over most people's heads. Here is a snapshot of her most recent GOCE undertakings:
:* [[Green-head ant]]
:* [[Bajo Pivljanin]]
:* [[War of the Antiochene Succession]]
:* [[Anbe Sivam]]
:* [[Cristóbal Bencomo y Rodríguez]]
:* [[History of South America]]
:* [[Sarawak]]
:As you can see, Corinne is not picking the low-hanging fruit to copy-edit. It is my estimation that Corinne fully copy edits an article every other day. Additionally, if Corinne does not know how to fix a phrase she collaborates with other editors to find a solution. Even with a Master's in English, Corinne is humble enough to ask for help when she gets stuck. Corinne is a classy editor who brings nothing but good things to the encyclopedia. Corinne's GOCE work on articles with problematic prose is commendable...providing a good copyedit and to-the-point queries on the article's talk page.
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Thanks again for your efforts! '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[User talk:L235#top|t]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 03:39, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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GOCE templates

Guild of Copy Editors templates:
{{GOCEstartce}}
{{GOCEinuse}}
{{GOCE|user={{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|date={{subst:date}}}}
{{GOCE|user=Corinne|date=15 September 2015}} Add correct date manually.

  • To leave a note for editors on the article's talk page before beginning a copy-edit:
== Requested [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] copy edit =='''
As [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests|requested]] by {{U|Requester's user name}}, I will be copy-editing this article on behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]]. I expect the edit to take at least a few days. I will post here if I find things I am unable to resolve.
  • To leave a note on requester's talk page saying copy-edit has been completed:
{{GOCEtb|article = Name of article here|sign = ~~~~}}
  • To add, at the top of an article's talk page, the WikiProject banner shell (to group together all WikiProjects connected to the article) and to add GOCE as one of those WikiProjects and the template saying a copy-edit has been completed, with the date completed and by whom it was completed:
{{WikiProject banner shell |
{{WikiProject template1}}
{{WikiProject template2}}
{{GOCE template}} i.e., the third or fourth template above that starts "GOCE user"
}}
  • To add WikiProject banner shell (and GOCE template) to the talk page of an article on a living person:
{{WikiProject banner shell |blp=yes |
{{WikiProject Biography|living=yes |listas=Case, Nic}}
{{GOCE|user=Corinne|date=19 February 2016}}
}}
Note: The "listas=Last name, First name" of the subject of the article is only needed once among the banners at the top of the talk page.
Templates

To place a notice at the top of an article saying that an active copy-edit is underway:

  • {{In use}} – a generic in-use session
  • {{In use|time=~~~~~}} – generic in-use but showing in time/date, and last edit time/date
  • {{In use|30 minutes to fix the information in the History section|time=~~~~~}} – customize the message regarding your in-use intentions and duration. When you save an edit the timekeeper resets to the current time.
  • {{in use|section}} – to declare a section in-use session

To format a quote so that it appears in green text, useful for quoting something in a discussion: {{tq|Type quote here.}}
"This is an example quote, optional quotation marks inside curly brackets."
"This is an example quote, optional quotation marks outside."
This is an example quote with no quotation marks. Usually used like this.
The quote will appear in green. Optional quotation marks go inside the curly brackets if they are part of the quote, outside if they are not. Quotation marks are usually not used with this template. The green text makes it clear that it is a quote.

To format a block quote that requires an attribution. This particular example also includes a reference: {{quote|Quote goes here|Attribution goes here}}
{{quote|This doesn't have to be liberal versus pro-business debate.|Andrew Morgan, director<ref>http://www.this-is-a-dummy-ref.org</ref>}}
Note: To omit the attribution, remove the 2nd pipe like this: {{quote|Quoted text[1]}}. If the 2nd pipe is removed then the reference will hang on the quoted portion instead of on the attributed portion. Multiple references may be used, and they may be of any WP approved style. Of course, a reference is not always necessary in a quote. In that case, just use: {{quote|Quoted text}} or {{quote|Quoted text|Attribution text}}

To format a block quote and keep the line break structure, poem or otherwise:

{{quote|quote=Put quoted text here without double quote marks here.|source=Put source of quote here}}

Be sure to leave the equals signs in place.

Here is an example:


{{quote|quote=<poem>Their names discover what their natures are,
More hard than stones, and yet not stones indeed.</poem>|source=I.i.181-2}}


How to create a diff from two adjacent edits

  1. Go to Revision History, and find the edit.
  2. Left-click on "Prev".
  3. Look up at top of page at the URL. Toward the end there should be two numbers, something like this: revision&diff=695592676&oldid=695592296
  4. Use this template, putting the larger/higher number (representing the newer version) to the left and the smaller/lower number (representing the older version) to the right. A label following a pipe is optional. Right after "diff" and a pipe, put the exact title of the page (no underline is needed).

{{diff|User talk:Corinne|695573832|695552708|comparing a newer page to an older page by version numbers}}
Or you could just put one number after "prev" (from a URL in which you see prev&oldid=695552708):
{{diff|User talk:Corinne|prev|695552708|Optional label here}}
Or you can use the template to compare any two nonadjacent page versions by taking one page version number from one nonadjacent page and one page version from another nonadjacent page.

To hat, or collapse, a section:
{{collapse top|top title goes here|bg=}}
The material you want to hat (hide from view) goes here. (Can be a template.)
{{collapse bottom}}

En-dash and em-dash templates
Click on each template link below for template documentation:

  • Non breaking space: {{nbsp}}
  • No-space breaking em-dash (but is sticky on the left): {{nsmdns}} (no-space m-dash no-space as a mnemonic)
  • No-space ndash: {{ndash}} or {{nsndns}}
  • Spaced non-breaking en-dash: {{snds}} (spaced n-dash space as a mnemonic)
  • Spaced breaking en-dash: {{snd}}
  • Line break: {{brk}} (replaces HTML tag <br> or identically functioning but more correct <br />)

Note: You cannot use a template (with the curly brackets) inside a reference that is in the "cite ref" template format (with curly brackets). In that case, use &nbsp; for a no-break space and &ndash; or &mdash;.

En-dash and em-dash keyboard shortcuts (at least on a Mac)

  • En-dash: Alt+-
  • Em-dash: Alt+Shift+-

Converting units (height, weight, length, distance, speed, etc.) from one system to another:

  • Information about the conversion templates: {{convert}}
  • List of units: Template:Convert/list of units
  • Example conversion templates for high numbers:
    {{convert|13100000|km2}} → 13,100,000 square kilometres (5,100,000 sq mi)
    or
    {{convert|13.1e6|km2}} → 13.1×106 square kilometres (5.1×106 sq mi)

Text colors

References

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Helpful external links

Useful external links:

  • Google Translate
  • Merriam Webster
  • Wiktionary To link a word in an article to a Wiktionary definition, use this link at the word. For example, if you want to link the word "skill", put [[wikt:skill|skill]] or just [[wikt:skill|]]. Putting the pipe hides the "wikt:".
  • Tool for counting characters Copy text you want counted and paste in empty box.
  • TFA summary char. count guideline: 900–1200; 1000–1150 great.
  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector Per 7&6=13, the one limitation of this tool is that it will also find sources that used/plagiarized Wikipedia articles, so just be aware of this when using the tool.

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The First Geneva Convention (1864) is one of the earliest formulations of international law.
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Princess Leia with characteristic hairstyle cosplayed.
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talkback copyediting

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Spaced and un-spaced en-dashes

Redrose64 Several months ago Checkingfax shared some templates with me for spaced and un-spaced en-dashes, as well as un-spaced em-dashes and the no-break space. (They're all in the "templates" section at the top of my talk page.) He probably told me, but I have forgotten, whether there is a good reason to use those templates, that is:

  • {{snds}} ("space, en-dash, space") instead of {{nbsp}}–[space] or (from the Wiki-mark-up at the bottom of the edit window)
  • {{nsndns}} ("no space, en-dash, no space") instead of – (from the Wiki-mark-up at the bottom of the edit window)
  • {{nbsp}} ("no-break space") instead of &nbsp;
  • {{nsmdns}} (un-spaced em-dash) instead of

(I apologize if I haven't gotten some of these right.)

I personally like using the templates. They're easy to remember and type. I've been using them so much that I've almost forgotten the HTML codes. However, although I haven't had any problems in the course of my copy-editing, I have heard that some editors are not fond of the templates. Others probably don't care either way as long as it looks right in the article. So, if there is a good reason to change from HTML (the ones that use the semi-colon) – or the actual en-dash or em-dash from the Wiki-markup at the bottom of the edit window – (with a no-break space before a spaced en-dash), I would like to know, so I will feel more confident in changing to the templates as I copy-edit articles. Can you let me know? Thank you.  – Corinne (talk) 20:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I personally never use those templates – because they take longer to enter and occupy more space – so to get a spaced en-dash (two examples earlier in this post) takes one keypress (the space bar), then one mouse click, then one more keypress (space bar). The amount of space occupied in the edit window is three characters, and it is not possible for a template to occupy less than five. For the em-dash—like this—it's even quicker to enter (no keystrokes, one mouse click) and occupies just one character. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply, Redrose64. I see your point, but I usually add a no-break space before an en-dash so that it remains at the end of a line and a line does not break before the en-dash. (It doesn't look good to have a new line start with an en-dash.) Also, I find picking up the mouse and ensuring that I click on the right dash a bit time-consuming. But from your response, it appears that it doesn't matter which is used.  – Corinne (talk) 21:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I wanted to ask whether you can fix a problem with the {{snds}} template, to create a "space, en-dash, space" that I believe Checkingfax told me would break after the en-dash if it comes at the end of a line. When I use this, and then look at it in the article, if the en-dash comes at the end of a line, there is a small space at the beginning of the next line. That is, the first word ends up being slightly indented from the left margin, ruining a smooth left margin for the text. I wish this could be fixed.  – Corinne (talk) 22:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, I suspect that it may be browser-dependent, and you may get an answer at WP:VPT. But for me, using Firefox 47.0, a construct like Here – There will break either before "Here" or after "There", but nowhere in between. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I use Chrome, and it does break right after the en-dash when I use that template. Interesting.  – Corinne (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Corinne. Instead of snds, try snd. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

O.K. I will, thanks. I'll have to add the space after the template with the space bar, then.  – Corinne (talk) 13:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You shouldn't need to. {{snds}} emits three characters - non-breaking space, en-dash, non-breaking space; whereas {{snd}} also emits three characters - non-breaking space, en-dash, normal space. So the only difference between {{snds}} and {{snd}} is the type of space after the dash - no further spaces are required. Compare Here – There with Here – There. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, good. Thanks, Redrose64!  – Corinne (talk) 22:20, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Corinne for your help and taking up the challenge and effort to copyedit this unusual, unfamiliar topic. Thank you for your patience and your comments on my talk about the article. I have moved your comments to Talk:Chhinnamasta#GOCE_comments and replied to them. Kindly take a look. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick response. I have replied to some comments and bolded Corinne in comments where your attention is needed.--Redtigerxyz Talk 19:27, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redtigerxyz Would you mind reading this notice? Can you disambiguate this link to Sati? It occurred when I re-wrote a paragraph as a result of our discussions. Thank you.  – Corinne (talk) 06:17, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Someone else already fixed it.--Redtigerxyz Talk 17:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hyphens

Corinne, I keep seeing what I feel is the needless adding of hyphens. Recently "a three hour hike" became "a three-hour hike". Is there difference here between British and American English? Perhaps I'm just getting old and crotchety, or spend too much time looking at a screen! Likewise I prefer "19th century". I did try looking at the manual but that hasn't helped. Rwood128 (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"a" is the indefinite article; "three-hour" is a compound adjective; and "hike" is the noun. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:34, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks User Redrose. This sounds sensible. Though I still wonder if this usage is mainly American? See, for example, [1]. Rwood128 (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rwood128 That's an interesting question, and I'm giving it some thought. Thanks, also, Redrose64, for your input. I thought the article Compound adjective was helpful. I thought the last sentence in the first "Exceptions" section was interesting:
  • Hyphens are unnecessary in other unambiguous, regularly used compound adjectives.
If you hover your mouse over the "5" at the end of this sentence, you will see some examples. I don't have access to the Chicago Manual of Style to look further. I did a little searching on-line and found these:
[2] (The APA is The American Psychological Association, and their style guide is one of the major ones used in the U.S.)
[3] The Chicago Manual of Style is probably the most important style guide in the U.S. Another one is the MLA style guide (the style guide of the Modern Language Association).
I always thought 19th century should be hyphenated when it is used as an adjective (but not hyphenated when it is used as a noun, that is, a date/time period). See the entry for "century" toward the end of the first page of Section 3 in the Chicago Manual of Style table.
In the course of my copy-editing, I haven't noticed a problem or a difference with regard to the use of the hyphen, but I would be interested to see instances you come across in articles where you think a hyphen is not necessary. (I feel about commas the same way you do about hyphens; I think they are used in places where they are not needed, but that's another discussion.)  – Corinne (talk) 01:55, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Corinne, many thanks for this very thorough reply. I'll do some work later on British style guides and look at your examples. Oddly I cannot now find the "three-mile hike" example, but this is another recent one [4]. I must admit that I have a tendency to over-use commas (too many Victorian novels when I was younger? – I need an excuse). Rwood128 (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The last example (Strand School) was by Iridescent (talk · contribs) whose grammar is generally good. It looks like a correct edit to me (I'm British). Regarding 19th century: we would write "a 19th-century house" (hyphenated), or "a house built in the 19th century" (no hyphen). So "a three-hour hike" might be turned around to make the unhyphenated "a hike of three hours". --Redrose64 (talk) 15:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, what Corinne and Redrose said; numbers are hyphenated in all varieties of English when used as compound modifiers (except in the one particular case of the -fold suffix, in which case the words are concatenated, e.g. thirteenfold). Thus, "a 19th-century building" but "a building built in the 19th century". (Those pesky cricketers mean this can't be made into an automated fix, owing to "he scored a 19th century".) See English compound#Hyphenated compound modifiers for chapter-and-verse, and MOS:HYPHEN for how it fits into Wikipedia's particular house style. ‑ Iridescent 16:17, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This makes me aware of gaps in my education. All the same the following quotations, I think, are relevant to this discussion:

  • Do not use a hyphen unless it serves a purpose. If a compound adjective cannot be misread or, as with many psychological terms, its meaning is established, a hyphen is not necessary (APA).
  • There is considerable variation in the use of hyphens. Usage shifts over time and forms that were once entirely acceptable may now seem odd or old-fashioned (MHRA).

Am I right in thinking that the APA example suggests that the hyphen can be dropped in the phrase "a three-hour hike". Furthermore is the use of a hyphen with a compound adjective a "rule" or an accepted custom, or usage?

Rwood128 (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We do not follow the APA, we follow the Wikipedia Manual of Style, which is unambiguous on the matter. If you want to make significant change to something that is the result of (literally) over a decade of discussion, start an RFC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style; the MOS is one area where WP:BRD doesn't apply, as it's the end product of years of discussions over which what a style guide for a global project which needs to be maintain consistency over 6,827,760 articles written by people speaking all varieties of English should look like. ‑ Iridescent 18:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that makes sense. At least I now know, that there is both a basis for my objection, as well as a reason why the hyphen is used. Probably the section in the manual could be more explicit. Rwood128 (talk) 19:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]


I found the clearest discussion of this topic here: [5], in the article on the English compound.
This seems especially relevant:

The following compound modifiers are not normally hyphenated:

  • Compound modifiers that are not hyphenated in the relevant dictionary or that are unambiguous without a hyphen.
  • Where there is no risk of ambiguity:
    • "a Sunday morning walk"
I, of course, realise that this does not supersede the official manual. See the original for the citations. Rwood128 (talk) 23:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sol Invictus

Redrose64 I was just looking at the latest edits to Sol Invictus. I am unable to judge whether these two edits are good ones, but while I was looking at the article I noticed several red notices among the notes at the end of the article. Do these need taking care of? If so, I don't know how to fix them, but maybe you do.  – Corinne (talk) 02:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those edits did not cause the red error messages, which were added in a recent change to the various cite templates (see Help talk:Citation Style 1#Update to the live CS1 module weekend of 30–31 July 2016).
Notice that each instance appears as follows:
Retrieved November 2014. Check date values in: |access-date= (help)
The problem being advised is that the |access-date= parameter (or equivalent) does not have a full date, but only a month and year. The "(help)" link should explain this. The proper fix is to add the missing component, in this case the day of the month; unfortunately, the article was not edited in November 2014, so those access dates are apparently fake. Most (if not all) of them are due to this edit of 09:24, 5 January 2016, notice several occurrences of |accessdate=November 2014. I think that 202.67.95.100 (talk) may have copied that chunk of text from another article, without attribution, contrary to WP:CWW. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thanks, Redrose64. I'm so impressed by your fund of knowledge. I haven't looked at the article yet, so I don't know if you've made any corrections, but I wouldn't know how to do that anyway. Thanks for explaining it all, though.  – Corinne (talk) 21:16, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notifications

I've noticed that the icons for notifications have changed several times over the past two weeks. That's O.K. – I figured they were working on it. Now, I see that they have turned into a bell on the left, and something on the right. Can someone tell me what that's supposed to be? It looks like either the view out the front windshield/windscreen from the back seat of a car or an oblique view of an old floppy disk.  – Corinne (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Allegedly, an in-tray. The theory is the bell for things which may need immediate attention, and the inbox for things one can safely ignore (thanks, barnstars etc.) ‑ Iridescent 21:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There have been several threads on the various changes over the last three or four weeks at WP:VPT and WT:Echo. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Corinne. On the right-hand badge I get notifications from other wikis such as wikidata, wiktionary and meta. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:55, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks all...interesting...  – Corinne (talk) 21:35, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello C. I hope you are well. Amazing isn't it. We have gone from the massive "Orange Bar of Death" to these icons where the red or blue pings are so small that my aging eyes occasionally have to look twice to be sure that there is actually something there :-) Enjoy your weekend! MarnetteD|Talk 20:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@MarnetteD: Mine looked like this: but now they look like this: . To find out how you too can have visible, noticeable, readable counters, see my post of 19:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC) at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Notification icons. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:09, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Redrose64. Although still small that does make them easier to see. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Redrose64! (and thank you MarnetteD for your greeting and comments). I also found the numbers (and the colored boxes in which they sit) too small. Your solution is great. Do I copy that entire thing (with the four rules) and paste it all at once? I read most of the discussions there, and I have a question – don't know if I should post it there. When I log on and go to my talk page, I often see a different number in each place, like a 2 on the left and a 1 on the right, or some combination like that. When I click on the right-hand number (notifications), it takes me to my talk page (but not to the latest comments, unfortunately; I still have to look for them), but, simultaneously, the number at the left disappears. What is the point of having two numbers if one disappears when the other is clicked on? I much prefer the way it was before they started making all these changes.  – Corinne (talk) 23:54, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Regarding that icon that looks to us like a view of a car (either a door or back-to-front view) and to the techs like an inbox – only people who have worked in an office would ever guess that it is an image of an inbox. I really don't think it looks like an inbox because it's missing any kind of perspective to show the full length of the inbox. Maybe an image of a bulletin board for both notifications would be good, or, for the right-hand one, an image of a piece of paper with a pin/thumbtack stuck into the corner would make sense.  – Corinne (talk) 00:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC) I take it back; upon looking at it again, there seems to be some effort at perspective, but it's not very good.  – Corinne (talk) 00:03, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
First, copy the contents of that box (all four rules) to your clipboard. Then go to m:Special:MyPage/global.css, click the "create this page" tab, paste in the code, then save. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 32, 2016)

One of many icons associated with The Sims
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Dubious edits

Sminthopsis84 Can you take a look at this edit to Kerman? It may be someone adding a friend's name or it may be a real master, but it is unsourced, I believe. Also look at the previous five or six edits. I don't feel like dealing with them.  – Corinne (talk) 04:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was good faith and genuine, but the text it was added to was shabby. I've made changes at Kerman carpet, though haven't added that unsourced addition. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 11:57, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Elmer McCollum

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To Corinne for copyediting Elmer McCollum. Finally Wikipedia has a good biography for him. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Corinne, I am so pleased with your work on Elmer McCollum. Breathing a sigh of relief now. I proposed this bio for extra credit in biochemistry, but my teacher had me write about aspirin instead. So glad it is finally done. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

SusanLesch I'm glad you approve. I really enjoyed reading about him. I'm sorry he didn't get the recognition he deserved.  – Corinne (talk) 04:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC) P.S. My user name is spelled with one "r" and two "n's".  – Corinne (talk) 04:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry! Spelling fixed. -SusanLesch (talk) 11:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 33, 2016)

Archaeological record example: a section of the Papyrus of Ani showing cursive hieroglyphs
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Thank you again for your thorough copyedit. I made two minor changes. If you had time, please cheque them. I am really grateful for your tireless work to improve articles of various subjects. Have you whenever counted how many GAs are connected to your work? :) Borsoka (talk) 08:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Borsoka You are welcome. I will look at your changes in a minute. I enjoy reading the articles you have worked on. I haven't looked to see how many GAs are connected to my work. I hadn't thought about it before, and I don't know how to do that, except maybe to look at the table in the archives of completed requests.  – Corinne (talk) 19:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Borsoka I just looked at the two changes you made. The first one, in which you fixed a wiki-link that I had added, is fine. I knew there was an article on "see", but I was just guessing when I added that link as to the title; I was planning to go back and check it, but I forgot, so I'm glad you saw that and fixed it. The second one is more problematic. You changed my wording:
  • According to the contemporaneous William of Tyre, many crusaders, wanting to take advantage of Philip's presence in their own realms, blamed Bohemond and Raymond III of Tripoli for dissuading Philip from participating in a military campaign against Egypt.
to a separate sentence:
  • They said, Bohemond and Raymond wanted to take advantage of Philip's presence in their own realms.
Besides a minor punctuation issue, it is not clear who "they" is. If "they" means Bohemond and Raymond, then my wording conveys that clearly. If "they" refers to other individuals, we have to make that clear. If the problem (as you see it) is that, the way I worded it, it sounds too certain when it is actually not known for sure, then we can add an adverb to the way I worded it:
  • ...possibly wanting to take advantage of Philip's presence in their own realms,...
  • ...probably wanting to take advantage of Philip's presence in their own realms,...
If I have missed something, please tell me what it is so that we can come up with the best wording.  – Corinne (talk) 19:52, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your remarks. "They" refers to the crusaders who blamed Bohemond and Raymond. Borsoka (talk) 03:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh

On 19 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 55 years after her death, Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh was found to have secreted away cash and jewels valued at over 137,000 francs in a Swiss bank vault? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Editor of the Week [20 August 2016]

Editor of the Week
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I nominate Corinne to be Editor of the Week for her tireless and persistent efforts copy editing articles submitted by other editors to the Guild of Copy Editors (GOCE). Her meticulous, subtle attention to detail and ability to turn a phrase are unique on Wikipedia. She does this discretely and seeks no acknowledgement for her efforts. Corinne takes on the hard articles; topics that would go over most people's heads. Here is a snapshot of her most recent GOCE undertakings:
As you can see, Corinne is not picking the low-hanging fruit to copy-edit. It is my estimation that Corinne fully copy edits an article every other day. Additionally, if Corinne does not know how to fix a phrase she collaborates with other editors to find a solution. Even with a Master's in English, Corinne is humble enough to ask for help when she gets stuck. Corinne is a classy editor who brings nothing but good things to the encyclopedia. Corinne's GOCE work on articles with problematic prose is commendable...providing a good copyedit and to-the-point queries on the article's talk page.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:39, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]