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Hi; and thanks for your contributions at WT:WPWIR (been on my watchlist for a few months though I'm not active there). It seems like we got off on the wrong foot, because I don't understand how we went from "changelogs don't belong on Wikipedia" (where we largely agree, aside from TNT vs improve), to, now impuning Macworld because it was used to source criticisms and facts in high-level prose, despite the changelogs being fully removed. Foundry does martech, but so does Vox Media (NY Mag, The Verge). For example, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (current FAC) relies on sources like Game Informer, IGN, Eurogamer, Retro Gamer, all owned by companies involved in martech. I guess I don't get where you're coming from on this. Also hope you don't see me as one of the "ILIKEIT" crowd, because I quite dislike the tables; only brought the iOS one back as a compromise, so they could be removed from iOS 5, iOS 6, etc., basically like WP:NOTSTATS deals with this. We're certainly not "opponents" despite it all. Cheers — DFlhb (talk) 03:01, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DFlhb, I apologize for piling on the criticism, as I do think you've done a great job cleaning up the articles (and you certainly didn't come off to me as one of the "data hoarders" crowd). I think this was just a topic that happened to intersect temporally with my recent interest in NCORP-related discussion, and so that guideline and related parts of NOT were fresh in my mind when I clicked through some of iOS VH article references. The marketing world is dense with vacuous buzzwords that make it hard to grasp what these companies even do, so I'll have to take a bit more time to digest the Vox stuff. I think one distinction I would make after a brief skim though would be that Vox isn't a trade magazine--it isn't closely tied to any particular brand or topic, and so its business is not directly influenced by the performance of products it covers. With MacWorld, if Apple sales drop there are significant consequences for the magazine itself. Another difference is that the third party requirements of NOTCHANGELOG are specific to descriptions of version history, and so martech-type sources would be acceptable in articles that don't deal with that topic. Best, JoelleJay (talk) 05:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

No probs — wanting to clean up Wikipedia is as close to "pure intentions" as it gets, and I know it must be frustrating to have to constantly deal with all those arguments — DFlhb (talk) 06:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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WP:NOTCHANGELOG RFC & my changes to the policy

The RFC explicitly only deals with the removal of the policy, not about the clarification of it. That's why the RFC majority is oppose removal. The policy after having thought about it is fine to exist, but it definitely does have to be clarified. There is no valid logic to assume or say that version history articles (even with tables) can't be encyclopedic, especially if a given article uses comprehensive sourcing. I explicitly mentioned WP:BOLD for a reason in my edit summary, because the RFC wasn't about clarification, it was about removal, so I didn't do it bc of the RFC. And there's nothing wrong with my changes - I am updating the policy to reflect how the discussion went back in Archive 45, back when the wording was last tweaked during a discussion about the Android version history article. - Evelyn Marie (leave a message · contributions) 00:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The RfC has had a handful of editors propose clarification, which has not received substantial support. Whatever was discussed however many years ago in Archive 45 cannot override more recent and better-attended discussions, nor can BOLD edits override the status quo on a policy page after being challenged. The sequence is BRD, not BRBD, and the D part should occur on the TP. JoelleJay (talk) 00:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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I nominate JoelleJay}} to be Editor of the Week. JoelleJay is very active at WP:AFD with a specific focus on assessing the notability of academic biographies. JoelleJay, to an extent that is close to unique, carefully analyses every candidate and provides evidence and policy-based votes. Further to that, JoelleJay maintains a list of women academics that have high impact (link: User:JoelleJay), as a starting point to enable other editors to create articles about notable women academics, an efforts that is very helpful to reduce the gender imbalance on Wikipedia. JoelleJay exhibits role-model behaviour in terms of exercising care, and does so with diplomacy even when people disagree. Giving JoelleJay editor of the week would be good for the project and hopefully encourage more people to vote with care and disagree with grace.

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Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 22:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)