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Quentin Edwards

Thanks for your corrections and I should have noted the conflict, yes, he was my father! I just thought a photo from our family album would improve the article.

On another matter - I have just written and submitted my first article entitled: the Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution, (an historic local charity I'm involved with) - the article is in awaiting review, but if you can spare a moment to look at it I would appreciate your comments.

Simon Edwards Esq (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Simon Edwards EsqSimon Edwards Esq (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Highgate Literary & Scientific Institution

Thanks for your excellent advice re citations, which I have now added to the draft. I would like to make this article live, but now that I have submitted it for review is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 17:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Again, many thanks for your kind advice and formatting. I have added citations as you suggest. The list of lecturers was provided to me by the HLSI archivist and Lecture Committee member, Hilary Laurie, from annual programmes in the HLSI Archives.

I guess I now have to wait weeks, or months, for approval before it goes live - I'll let you know when that happens as I would love it to have a chance to feature on the "Did you know" column of the main page and/or Wikipedia: Notability — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 12:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

National varieties of English

Hello. In a recent edit to the page Horatio Brown, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, India, or Pakistan use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author of the article used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 15:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Dear me. I created the article and wrote it in Oxford spelling, which is ultra-English and which I am sure you have never heard of. Moonraker (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution

Thanks again for the advice - now live as per your suggestion (on Move I changed the name and on the left drop down menu changed it to Article).

One last question: I would like it to be searchable under HLSI as well as its full name - how do I do that? - or perhaps you could add it and I'll see how it is done.

Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 15:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

HLSI and Harry Chester

Thanks so much for all your help. You've inspired me to write more articles! Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 15:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, Simon Edwards Esq! It can be great fun here, away from the heavily trodden paths. Please feel free to drop in on me when you need any help or anything unravelled. Moonraker (talk) 02:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Epsom College in Malaysia

Hello! Your submission of Epsom College in Malaysia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! CMD (talk) 12:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

HLSI

Yes, extraordinary, as you predicted. I was expecting to be told off for putting the article up without moderation, but it seems he didn't bother to compare the two identical pieces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

John Atcheler

Thanks for the nomination and the additions. Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 14:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Pelican Portrait

On 3 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pelican Portrait, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Pelican Portrait of Queen Elizabeth I (pictured) is named for the pendant on her breast in the form of a pelican in her piety? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pelican Portrait. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Pelican Portrait), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for John Atcheler

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ekkehard von Kuenssberg

On 13 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ekkehard von Kuenssberg, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ekkehard von Kuenssberg turned down an invitation to join the SS and migrated to Britain, carrying a hockey stick and a tennis racquet? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ekkehard von Kuenssberg. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ekkehard von Kuenssberg), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Cromwell House

Good suggestion, I know the building well and was shown round it last year. I'll write an article this week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about Ekkehard von Kuenssberg and his rejection of the SS drew 15,113 page views (630 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks so far during the month of February and has earned a place on the Best of February list. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 08:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

How time flies, Gerda Arendt! Moonraker (talk) 11:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Cromwell House

Done.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 19:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, yes happy for you to edit as you wish. I'm sure it needs it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 21:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination. Best wishes, Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 09:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Hervey (landowner)

On 27 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Hervey (landowner), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Samuel Pepys wrote of Royal Navy Commissioner Sir Thomas Hervey: "a coxcombe he is and will never be better in the business of the Navy"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Hervey (landowner). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Hervey (landowner)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Platt (brewer)

On 28 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Richard Platt (brewer), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Richard Platt (pictured), a master brewer, founded Aldenham School and arranged for the Company of Brewers to pay the boys beer money? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Platt (brewer). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Richard Platt (brewer)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cromwell House

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DYK for Leslie Rowan

On 2 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Leslie Rowan, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Leslie Rowan was PPS to Winston Churchill and Clement Attlee, but Hugh Dalton called him "A bit too pi for me"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Leslie Rowan. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Leslie Rowan), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:05, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about master brewer Richard Platt drew 12,359 page views (515 per hour) while on the Main Page. It was one of the most viewed hooks during the month of February and earned a place on the Best of February list. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 16:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Stephan Westmann

On 4 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Stephan Westmann, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that during a bloody assault with his unit on the Western Front in 1914, Stephan Westmann was amazed to see the British stop firing and send stretcher-bearers to rescue his wounded German comrades? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stephan Westmann. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Stephan Westmann), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Cromwell House

Quite the reverse, I'm grateful for edits. I've quoted the Survey of London in other articles - what's the issue if it is properly attributed?

My view is that writing an article is just giving birth, from then on it takes on a life of its own. Taking of which, I did some minor edits this morning on the later uses of the building paragraph as I'm working on a Mothercraft Training Society article who owned it for a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 14:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest and addition, as ever.

I don't know why, but I had it in my head that the annex was named after the Queen Mother (who opened it) not after the current Queen, but of course you are right, in 1930 the Queen Mother was a Duchess (not a princess) and the four year old current Queen was Princess Elizabeth, so your 1929 photo addition is very appropriate. Perhaps the answer for a hook could be simply to change the caption on the photo to reflect that the building was probably one of the earliest (of many) to be named after Queen Elizabeth II - especially as she was then a child who nobody realistically thought would be Queen (who would have imagined that Edward VIII would have abdicated?).

If we wanted to add another relevant photo, one of the Queen Mother around 1930 would be a possibility. The closest on her page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_The_Queen_Mother#/media/File:Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon_(cropped).jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 09:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

"List of massacres in the United Kingdom" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Mothercraft Training Society

Though at I only have one source to confirm the Queen Mother opened the Centre, I have no doubt it is corrent. She had been a patron for several years, had recently given birth to her second child and this was a very fashionable cause for women of the day to be involved with - plus its only a 30 minute Daimler drive from Buckingham Palace. The paper archive of the Society is only half a mile up the road from me and when it reopens I will check all the facts there.

I think the hook should explain that Princess Elizabeth of York is now the current Queen, so perhaps

..that in 1930 the new infant-care Centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York (pictured), now known as Queen Elizabeth II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Simon Edwards Esq, I’ll use that. Moonraker (talk) 21:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Begum v Home Secretary

On 19 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Begum v Home Secretary, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Begum v Home Secretary, Lord Reed quoted from Eleanor Roosevelt: "justice cannot be for one side alone, but must be for both"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Begum v Home Secretary. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Begum v Home Secretary), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about Stephan Westmann drew 6,378 page views (501 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics#March 2021. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 20:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Epsom College in Malaysia

On 20 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Epsom College in Malaysia, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Boris Johnson and Tony Fernandes were present at the opening ceremony of Epsom College in Malaysia in 2014? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Epsom College in Malaysia. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Epsom College in Malaysia), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Highgate Cemetery

Thanks, I'm fortunate to be a guide at Highgate Cemetery which is full of forgotten Londoners who led extraordinary lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 14:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mothercraft Training Society

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DYK for Cromwell House

On 23 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cromwell House, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the listing particulars of Cromwell House (pictured) call it a "splendid example of Renaissance brickwork"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cromwell House. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cromwell House), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Nicola Formby

On 24 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nicola Formby, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nicola Formby has recalled growing up in South Africa when "dogs lived in kennels outside and never ever came into the house with their muddy paws"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nicola Formby. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nicola Formby), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Cromwell House

Thanks for the kind words on Victor Kullberg and for letting me know about yesterday's did you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 18:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Jane Lunnon

On 25 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jane Lunnon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2021, Jane Lunnon became the first woman head of Alleyn's School since it was separated from the College of God's Gift in 1882? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Lunnon. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jane Lunnon), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about Nicola Formby drew 5,359 page views (447 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at March 2021 DYK STATS. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Your DYK hook about Cromwell House drew 8,562 page views (714 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at March 2021 DYK STATS. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Mothercraft Training Society

Moonraker you are a star, many thanks! BTW I wish I knew how to reply on the discussion page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 20:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Tommy Turtle

On 29 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tommy Turtle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after a Falklands War adventure with rigid inflatable boats, Tommy Turtle's SAS troop called itself "The South Georgia Boating Club"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tommy Turtle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Tommy Turtle), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Mothercraft Training Society

On 2 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mothercraft Training Society, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that in 1930, the new infant-care centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York, now Queen Elizabeth II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mothercraft Training Society. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mothercraft Training Society), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thomas Frederick Cooper (s)

Thanks for the suggestion, I will look that up. This biography was a bit thin, but I felt he deserved an article.

I'm tempted to write another article about William John Belt - a Victorian barrister who had a couple of hilarious run-ins with the police in 1873 and 1879. The problem is there doesn't seem to be anything more noteworthy about his life (apart from a grand tomb in Highgate Cemetery, of course).

Simon

Belt

Thanks for your encouragement and ideas. I've only been searching with basic Google and the Mormons. Google Books is a revelation and I really think it is time I wasn't such a cheapskate, so I'm subscribing to Find my Past which will give me full Newspaper Archive access (including the excellent St James's Gazette), then I'll crack on with Belt - I'll try an be more sympathetic about his drinking!

This could be one for DYK - I came across an old 1980's interview with an Englishman born in west Hampstead called Seymour Wyse. In the early 1940's he and Jack Kerouac became friends in their late teens in NY and he took Kerouac to the bob clubs and introduced him to jazz. Kerouac visited him in London after the war and put him several of his books as a character called "Lionel Smart". I have added it to Kerouac's page, but I don't think anyone has picked it up.

William Belt

Finally written! Furnival (talk) 21:18, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for James Edward Rogers

On 23 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article James Edward Rogers, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that James Edward Rogers helped Dante Gabriel Rossetti and William Morris search for a model for Guinevere for the Oxford Union murals (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/James Edward Rogers. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, James Edward Rogers), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Hurst Lodge School for deletion

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DYK for Nathalie Lieven

On 26 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nathalie Lieven, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mrs Justice Lieven made an Order for a pregnant woman with learning difficulties to have an abortion against her wishes, but it was overturned in the Court of Appeal? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nathalie Lieven. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nathalie Lieven), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Moonraker! You're a gentleman and a scholar! Much appreciated.

Fritwell Manor

Wire723 - Morning Moonraker, hope you, and Wire, are keeping well. Do either of you happen to know if there is an Oxfordshire Project similar to your Wiltshire one? I'm looking for a photo of Fritwell Manor. It should be relatively easy, as the manor faces the public highway, but neither Commons nor Geograph has any. KJP1 (talk) 10:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Morning, KJP1, I can’t trace an Oxfordshire project. There’s one for the University of Oxford, you could try posting there to see if there is someone who drives out that way. On Pinterest I see there is a Taunt & Co. postcard of the house said to be “c. 1916” which should be safe to upload. A few other images might be worth checking out, including this one from 1910. Moonraker (talk) 11:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. I shall take a look. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

today

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Well done, Gerda! It’s a pity triangles are less mighty than trumpets! Moonraker (talk) 16:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Masters of foxhounds has been nominated for deletion

Category:Masters of foxhounds has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the good natured discussion about this category in CFD with me; as usual I wish more people would participate there to help reach a consensus. I'm pinging you here because I mentioned both in a reply and in my original nomination that the header for the category said that these Masters originally owned the hounds. The category header still says that based on your edit. You replied that I was misrepresenting the category header: "The header says nothing about typically owning the hounds".

Would you mind editing your last comment to make it clear that while, maybe I'm misunderstanding or misapplying the category header from your perspective, I'm not misrepresenting the contents? - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Let’s not say misrepresenting! The thing is, RevelationDirect, there is a big difference between originally and typically. Originally is about the early centuries of the sport, but typically would be ongoing. Moonraker (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

June songs

some flowers and music for you, - you were around when I created my first article, and we enjoyed new music now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Paulo Tarso Flecha de Lima

died today, https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/morre-aos-88-anos-embaixador-paulo-tarso-flecha-de-lima

I don't know english

please update

Bozs (talk) 23:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Bozs. Moonraker (talk) 23:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Bozs (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:John Maple (furniture maker)

Thanks for your comment. I'm a bit perplexed by how someone is treating this article. John Maple was the founder of what became the IKEA of it's day - a huge manufacturing and retail furniture business. In 1900 most households would have had one or more pieces of Maple's furniture. It is true that his son massively expanded the business from the original premises, but my brief article outlines how the business was created and about its creator. the article had been up for a while when one day if you typed in John Maple (furniture maker) it took you to Maple & Co. with no explanation, as if the John Maple (furniture maker) page didn't exist - this was done without informing me which I thought was pretty odd. I could only access the original article by going back over my creation history. I reinstated it, and now it has been taken down again with no specific reason other than non-specifed sources are inadequate. I constantly see articles with only one or two iffy references which have been up for years. Furnival (talk) 10:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Furnival. Someone is being high-handed, you do have a right to a formal process for arguing about the notability point, with notice to you first, but if I were you I should take it on the nose for now. Your only substantial independent reliable source (see WP:N) is BIFMO, and your text can be accused of Copyright infringement in using that. If you stand on your rights I see you losing. If you want to rescue the article, you will need to re-work the text to the point that the Earwig tool will not find too much the same in BIFMO’s text and yours. The first thing is to learn the painful lesson that you can be pushed around for not complying with the policies here! It is annoying, but it does have a rational basis. Moonraker (talk) 13:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

PS, you are right, of course, the way it is all policed is very hit and miss. The articles about women tend to be left alone, because the PC brigade is aware that there is such a huge gender imbalance. It’s rare for an article about a pop star to be challenged, but certain other occupations are more likely to be a target of deletionism. I am having a problem with a category I created, Category:Masters of foxhounds, see here. Moonraker (talk) 13:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Moonraker, I'm indebted to you for your sage advice, as ever, which I shall follow. I agree that the possible deletion of your category Masters of Foxhounds is absolutely baffling and must be PC gone mad. Can I suggest you follow your dictum that popstars are left alone by adding Bryan Ferry to your fine category: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/otis-ferry-fails-pay-thousands-promised-after-civil-assault-two-women-even-after-bailiffs-allegedly-visit-house-a102211.html Furnival (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of The Flying Dutchman (2000 film) for deletion

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Mairin Mitchell

I absolutely do object; the fact her family was Irish is irrelevant. If she was described and/or self-identified as "Irish" then describe her as "Irish author", but 'Anglo-Irish' is not appropriate. GiantSnowman 17:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

It’s really tricky, GiantSnowman, simply “Irish” seems to me as misleading as simply “English” or “British”. And the distinctions developed in her lifetime. As a matter of fact, she could not have taken up Irish citizenship until 1935, when it was offered to those with Irish fathers born overseas. In 1941, she called herself “a British citizen of Irish parentage”, but in fact there were no British citizens, we were British subjects. Also, that “Irish parentage” meant one Irish parent, who was Anglo-Irish; the other was English. None of this stopped her from calling herself “an Irishwoman”. I should say she was culturally Irish but British in the eyes of the law. Would you mind saying what your particular objections are to Anglo-Irish? Failing that, I guess a more complicated explanation will be needed in the lead. Moonraker (talk) 18:08, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

The lede is for nationality, not religion or ethicity/social group, which is what Anglo-Irish is. GiantSnowman 22:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

But it all depends on what you think a nation is, and how that fits in with ethnicity, GiantSnowman. Mitchell was born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, as in 1895 almost everyone in both Britain and Ireland had been. That didn’t make them all “British”, because people who were “Irish”, or “Anglo-Irish”, or “Welsh” were then all in sub-sets of British subjects. So far as we know, Mitchell remained legally British but (like many others) called herself Irish. I still see little objection to Anglo-Irish, but if you object so strongly perhaps the best we can do is to say in the lead that she was “British and Irish”. Moonraker (talk) 23:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I would accept 'British-Irish' as a compromise. GiantSnowman 07:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

We are getting somewhere. I have started a thread on the Talk page, Talk:Mairin Mitchell#Nationality, you may want to add something there, GiantSnowman. Moonraker (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Lord Busby

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Busby and Waters Screenshot

.... and at DYK ten years ago

Thanks for noticing the ten year gap. I took the photo when I was Wikipedian in Residence (the first British and 3rd ever). I also found this screenshot which might amuse you. Dozens of articles were written in Russia for (the first?/2nd) multilingual editing contest and Billy Waters featured. Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stephen Borthwick (schoolmaster)

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{{subst:proposed deletion notify|1=Alexander Boot|concern=Writer of no discernible notability. The article does not contain evidence that Boot passes WP:NJOURNALIST or [[WP:GNG], and a WP:BEFORE shows no coverage that I could find about Boot in WP:RSes. Would need independent third-party RS coverage of Boot to be kept. I'm willing to be shown wrong, but it would need to be shown.}} David Gerard (talk) 23:00, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

gut aufgehoben

I usually agree with your translations, but "aufgehoben" as "lifted up", sorry, doesn't work for me. (Deepl didn't fare better, though.) I don't know an exact term, sadly. "Ich bin [gut] aufgehoben" means something like "I am comfortable, protected, in good care, in good hands ...". Would you find something? "längst" isn't exactly "vor langer Zeit" (long ago) but what is it? "längst fertig" comes as "long since finished" by Deepl, that's what we took, but it's not a phrase I knew before. Always learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gerda Arendt. My dictionaries are saying picked up, removed, lifted, repealed, annulled, voided, saved… but nothing about care. I guess you can infer that, but I don’t think it should be seen as the primary meaning? I wasn’t happy with my "by God" for bei Gott, perhaps better "with God"? For längst, the dictionaries have "long ago" first, and English definitely uses the simple past there, for a single momentary event. Moonraker (talk) 11:27, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

The "gut" must surely add something, and we don’t have it here. Moonraker (talk) 11:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Thanks for considerationthe first meaning of "aufheben" is probably "pick up", a second "keep" ("store", "save"), a third "cancelled". They contradict each other, so you have to know context. Here, it's the keep-save meaning (im Kühlschrank länger aufheben = keep in the fridge for longer). "ich fühle mich bei dir aufgehoben" = "I feel in good hands with you" (Deepl), but I'm not sure we can use the same intimate "with" for God, the sender of that angel in the title. Sigh about the "long ago", - the meaning seems to be rather clearly "while you didn't notice, there was an angel sent long time ago", and that nuance doesn't show, at least for me.

(after ec) no, it's not the "gut", see fridge ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Of course, when speaking to God he (we often write it as He) is du and not Sie. Anyway, Gerda Arendt, it’s your new page, I shall leave it to you. Moonraker (talk) 12:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks Theleekycauldron, interesting. Not much of December gone yet, of course, but if that’s a high mumber I guess the hook fitted in with most of the world’s view of English, that may be the key to it! Moonraker (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Roehenstart

There is a further article "The lives of the granddaughter and great-grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie: new evidence" by Marie-Louise Backhurst in Genealogists' Magazine, vol. 33, no. 11 (September 2021), pages 403-410, which in my view finally disposes of the Pininski claims.AnthonyCamp (talk) 11:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC).

Many thanks, AnthonyCamp, glad to see you taking an interest. I shall dig that out when I am back home and look forward to it. The obvious point, of course, is that even if Charlotte had been legitimated to the succession (which it’s clear she wasn’t), there was no Maximilian Roehenstart, nor anyone anywhere of that name apart from Charlotte’s children.

I have just ordered a copy of Pininski’s later book and look forward to seeing what he says in that.

Another page I have started here is John Ferdinand Smyth Stuart; I do have some sympathy for Charles Edward Roehenstart, but Smyth was surely a rogue! Moonraker (talk) 13:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC).

Thank you for your reply. I have been interested in Roehenstart and the identities of his sisters since Sherburn's (rather unsatisfactory) book appeared in 1960 and I have doubted Pininski's claims since their first appearance, so was glad to see the two articles by Marie-Louise Backhurst which demolish those claims. I have no problem with the basic Roehenstart claim but was worried about your identification of his first wife (their marriage has never been found) when all that Sherburn says (page 76) is 'The name is illegibly written, and is here guessed at [as Barbuonei]' When Roehenstart married again he did so as a bachelor, which may (or may not) be important.

I have no doubt that John Ferdinand Smyth Stuart was an habitual liar, who perhaps began his stories because he was said to resemble the Stuarts. The chronology of his two claimed descents is practically impossible and Anna Keay does not mention him in her excellent "The last royal rebel: the life and death of James, Duke of Monmouth" (2016). AnthonyCamp (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC) 17:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Francis Peter Beck amendment

Your article relating to Francis Peter Beck contains a reference in the notes to The Unseen Assassins, however we believe he is not included on page 94 of this book. Can you check and confirm and remove the reference if necessary? Many thanks. (31.52.254.8 (talk) 09:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)) G Beck

Many thanks. I am sure I did find him there , but I guess I may have the page number wrong. Will try to check ASAP and then will correct it. Moonraker (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Paul Hayes (historian)

Thank you for creating Paul Hayes (historian) - I really appreciate it, I'm his son - I'll try and find a picture for the article.

My pleasure, Jrphayes. You will need to let the upload page create a Creative Commons license if you add it to Wikimedia. Please let me know here, as per WP:COI it is better for you not to edit the page. Moonraker (talk) 23:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Floating images

Hi, why have you done this on a number of articles? There should be no need to do that, because those two declarations are among the effects of the |thumb option, which selects the inbuilt CSS rule

div.tright,
div.floatright,
table.floatright {
  clear: right;
  float: right;
}

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Redrose64, I don’t know what devices you read WP on, but the answer is that on the English Wikipedia only there has been a recent change of the way the standard bare “thumb” option displays itself — on many devices, including all of mine, the image window (but not necessarily the image itself) is now being forced to take up the whole page width. That makes all the text sit either above or below the image, so that marginal images no longer work. I have arranged images on the pages I have created in a way that didn’t plan on that and I am putting things back as they were. I don’t know if you are anxious to impose that change? Kind regards, Moonraker (talk) 03:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I am using a PC with Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox. I am not aware of anybody else who has the problems that you describe, and have not observed anybody else making edits similar to the one that I linked at the start. If you are perceiving a problem with |thumb images that did not previously exist, that is something to bring up at WP:VPT. There should be no need to make any of the changes that you are making - particularly since nobody else has reported a problem with the normal syntax or are making similar changes. If the behaviour of |thumb really has changed, the thing to do is get it changed back - and the route to that is (initially) VPT via phab: to (ultimately) gerrit:. Consider: there are something like six million articles on Wikipedia, and the vast majority will display one or more images using |thumb, and you would expect that somebody would have reported it at VPT by now (I've been watching that page for more than ten years, and I see no recent reports). But if a problem really does exist, it would surely be easier to amend the behaviour of |thumb than to make millions of individual "fix" edits. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, if you are only using a PC, Redrose64, then you won’t see it. But as I understand it, most accessing of Wikipedia is now on “mobile” devices such as iPhones and iPads, as with me. Here is what GKFX (a software engineer) told me about the “thumb” option a few months ago. As you will see, he was arguing against using {{Main page image}}, as I had been doing.

On the official mobile skin, the image transitions from full-width to floating at 720px device width. Maybe this is a bit too large of a value to have been chosen, but it’s a decision taken by the MediaWiki developers who presumably have their reasons for picking that value. With {{Main page image}}, the image comes out very small on mobile in my testing and causes very short lines of text to the left of it on narrow screens. Personally I use the desktop skin (Vector) on mobile which avoids this sort of thing.

Moonraker (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I still don't see why changing lots of individual pages is better than fixing the problem at source, so I've raised a thread at WP:VPT#Changed behaviour for the thumb image option. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Moonraker, please stop adding this extraneous formatting to articles. Adding sizes using px sizing is also discouraged, since editors have their own preferences for the size of thumbnail images. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Redrose64, I agree with you that by far the best thing is to fix the problem at source, but so far I am not seeing much recognition that there is a problem. Jonesey95, I do not agree that the formatting is extraneous; on the px sizing, the image templates at Wikipedia allow editors to choose an image size; by all means discourage people from using that, but if you want it stopped then the way to do it is surely to get the option removed at source. Moonraker (talk) 08:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

When nobody except you sees that there is a problem, the burden is heavier on you to demonstrate the problem. It is possible that the problem exists for more people, but you have to show others that it is real and that you can't fix it by adjusting your personal configuration. As for px, there are places where px sizing is useful, for example when making little icons like Y to go inline with text, but photos should almost never have prescribed px sizes; that's what the thumb size preference is for. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Moonraker has edited Wikipedia pages since June of 2009 and has spent almost 80% of that time in mainspace. In that time he has shared over 300 WP:DYK's which are often the "most visited" for the month. A love of everything British has led to dozens of biographies from the Ancient World to the 20th century. Frederick Thesiger (naval officer) is his 1000th created article and is a prime example of his excellent work. High School of Montreal, created in 2017, is a favorite and still watched over like a proud papa. Common refrains on his talk page include; "Thanks for the help", "you are a gentleman and a scholar", as well as, "thanks for the excellent advice and thoughtful suggestions". A hard working member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiltshire, Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing, Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin and Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools, Moonraker deserves both praise and thanks. Seconded by User:7&6=thirteen

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Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 13:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)