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2020 Military Historian of the Year

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		As voted by your peers within the Military history WikiProject, I hereby award you the Silver Wiki for coming in second place in the 2020 Military Historian of the Year Award. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions throughout the year. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2021 WikiCup!

Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The competition begins today and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. We thank Vanamonde93 and Godot13, who have retired as judges, and we thank them for their past dedication. The judges for the WikiCup this year are Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Replacing deleted articles?

Thanks for the barnstar - always good for morale! Perhaps you can give me some advice since my former mentor Buckshot06 seems to have gone off the grid? Firstly, on three occasions recently I have been preparing to add some material on artillery regiments, only to find that the pages on the parent units have been deleted. These were: 1st Dumbartonshire Rifle Volunteers, 3rd (Ulster) Searchlight Regiment, Royal Artillery, and 6th Cyclist Battalion, Suffolk Regiment. From what I can discover, these were deleted because of serious copyright offences by the author, not because of quality. I have sufficient material to provide new articles on these units, but what is the protocol: should I go ahead, or wait a certain length of time in case the original articles might be reinstated on appeal?

Conversely, I have found that someone has posted an article on 102nd (Ulster) Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment, Royal Artillery (incorrect title) when there was an existing article on 102nd Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment, Royal Artillery (correct title, and linked into other articles and categories). How do I flag this up for possible merger?

I'm happy to go on quietly filling gaps in wiki's coverage, but these are murky waters! RegardsRickfive (talk)

Hi Rickfive, no problem - you certainly earned it. I am far from knowledgeable on these matters, so I shall copy in a couple of wiser heads than mine - Girth Summit and Harrias. I also note that you may get more informed assistance at Wikipedia:Help desk or Wikipedia:Teahouse.

Re the previously deleted articles, if it were me, I would simply recreate them, adding a brief note on the talk page.

Re the duplicates, they sound to my ignorant ears as if they need either merging or speedily deleting under A10. Which would depend, it seems to me, on how much, if any, new, RSed, content the new article contains.

Hopefully this gives you pointers in the right direction, but never having flagged an article for either merge or SD I am reluctant to go much further with any suggestions.

Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Wiser head than yours? Don't know about that Gog, but I guess I at least have the advantage of x-ray specs that let me see deleted stuff.

Rickfive, the Dumbartonshire Rifles and the Ulster Searchlight articles were deleted because they were created by a banned user - see WP:G5. Don't know about the copyright concerns, but I don't know the history of the case. There would be no problem with you recreating articles on those subjects if you have the interest and sources. I can't see an old article for the Cyclists, perhaps I'm looking at the wrong address? Again though, I can't see any reason why you shouldn't recreate the articles.

Regarding the merge, if we have two articles about the same subject then merging is the right course of action; it's not something I've ever been involved in, but I bet if I type WP:MERGE the link will be blue... Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 12:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you.

		The Guidance Barnstar
		You know that there are many things I would not even attempt without your mentoring and guidance. I truly appreciate the effort you put in and the humor you bring to stressful situations, which lighten the load considerably. I will never be able to adequately express my gratitude, just know that I am beholden to you. SusunW (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Gog

So I guess you thought it prudent to overlook my comment here, which was probably a kindness on your part, so thank you. I was pretty crushed at the time. Do you still want to work with me on your article, or have you changed your mind? I still feel the same way about working with you, I would be honored, but I understand if you'd rather not. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:10, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I think I must have offended you more deeply than I have understood. I am genuinely sorry for that as it was not my intention. I know that you do not deserve that. Please forgive my bull-in-the-china-shop ways. I am often socially inept and clueless. Feel free to yell at me all I deserve. I'm sure I would benefit from being yelled at by you. I am truly sorry. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:44, 11 January 2021 (UTC) has extended an olive branch of peace.

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Oops. It is I who owe you an apology. I saw the red bell and clicked through to your message. Decided that it would need more than an off the cuff response so I would just finish what I was doing. Then one thing led to another and I forgot. I have got myself over-committed on Wikipedia and non-routine things keep slipping through the cracks. Sorry.

Re the article. Yes, I would still like to work with with you on it, if you would still like to work with me after my carelessness. I have done little work on it since we last spoke, and that mostly on the religious side. I do have some sources lined up for "my" side of things though. It is now bedtime, my time, and I have RL commitments for much of tomorrow. I shall try to make a start on it tomorrow evening, and either way I shall let you know how I am doing. If I don't, a firm smack round the head with that olive branch should gain my attention. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, thank goodness! I understand real life interfering with online life and vice versa. My mother is ill and I am probably going to have to fly up there and take care of her, so I will not have tons of time for WP for the next few weeks. I can read up though. I'll work on that. I don't know much about the Byzantine empire, so this will be a good opportunity for me to learn more. Thanx Gog. I'm glad you are still speaking to me. You and Mike Christie were two of the good things to come out of my debacle. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations from the Military History Project

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		On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the WikiChevrons for participating in 33 reviews between October and December 2020. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 06:43, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Congrats for the upcoming Mercenary war FA main page appearance and thank you for all your work. ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 11:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Wow! Someone cares. Thank you Elias Ziade, much appreciated.

[shameless plug] If you feel like helping to improve an article, then Battle of the Saw is currently at FAC. [/shameless plug]. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Belated Holiday Greetings to you and yours. You are next in line for an Eddy (next week) but I was hoping you would relinquish your place in the Q for those from last year. A couple of new ones were added today which eased my mind. New noms are always welcome. Thanks for all you do!!! ―Buster7 ☎ 18:24, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Buster7 and the same to you. As I had been told not to peek at Editor Retention I haven't been making any nominations, although I could see that noms were getting short. I shall see if I can top the list up. I'm not sure that I understand your second point, but I am happy to relinquish my place if it helps the project or you. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank You Gog. Much appreciated!!!!―Buster7 ☎ 22:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Siege of Guines

Hi Gog, I noticed that the disambiguation article I created yesterday is linked to your task page. Which siege were you referring to as a potential article? Regards Newm30 (talk) 22:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Newm30, the first. French unsuccessfully besieging the English. I have created it as a stub. I'll tidy it up when I get the chance. And have added a link to it in one of my FACs. Nice work by the way. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

No worries. Wishing you a Happy New Year. Always happy to help out where our spheres of interest overlap. Regards Newm30 (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Dreamsnake

This has had two source reviews - if you're still looking for something in that regard, would you be able to specify what that is? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

My error. Removed. Thanks Nikkimaria. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thomas Erpingham

Hi, I'm probably going to close the review and nominate the article for FA, do you want time to add any more comments? Amitchell125 (talk) 22:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Amitchell125, I was waiting for things to quieten down a bit before chipping in. Plus I have been pretty busy with other stuff. If you think that it is ready, nominate it and I'll give it an early review. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I will. Amitchell125 (talk) 22:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Bloody good effort!

		The Premium Reviewer Barnstar
		In recognition of the 128 incredibly incisive and helpful Milhist GAN, ACR, PR and FA reviews you did in 2020, I hereby award you the Premium Reviewer Barnstar. Bloody good effort! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Mercenary War

Hi Gog! Can you pls check the minor tweaks I just did on Siege of Tunis (Mercenary War) - if they are OK I'll do same for tomorrow's TFA? JennyOz (talk) 13:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

They look fine Jen, how could you doubt yourself? "materiel" is definitely going to get 'corrected' tomorrow! Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Done! If it gets corrected often, I'll link it! ( I've been a bit despondent about doing reviews lately ... so many discussions in so many places about so many problems. Might get back on the horse on the weekend!) Regards, JennyOz (talk) 14:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Jen. I know just what you mean. Personally I more or less ignore them until and unless they generate an actual change. It would be great to have some of your superb reviews at FAC. I have recently been on a FAC reviewing run, and on my 22nd from the past 17 days, despite now being a FAC coordinator. Or perhaps because of. I dunno. As you have just looked at a couple of Mercenary War articles, you might want to cast an eye over my current FAC: Battle of the Saw - you generously reviewed it at ACR.

How are you keeping anyway? How is the brave new virus-ridden world treating you? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I saw Saw note a few days ago. (You're a good salesperson.) I'll check the noms page. I know there's one there for ND and another for PM I am keen to do too.

I am keeping well, thanks for asking. Australia has done relatively well - a combination of island nation, common sense compliance and leaders listening to medical experts. A little bit of political bickering re state border shutdowns but it seems every breakout is quickly dealt with. So, so glad as always to be in the Lucky Country. I shudder when I see stats from elsewhere. Wherever you are, keep safe. See you at FAC! JennyOz (talk) 06:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article Mercenary War, introduced: "The First Punic War ended after 23 years with a Carthaginian defeat. Still a great power, Carthage arranged to pay off its army and ship its members home. One botched attempt to shortchange the troops later and the army was blockading Carthage and its African vassals had risen in revolt to join the mutineers with 70,000 volunteers. The war was fought with unusual savagery, even for the time." - That's what we see on Wikipedia's 20 birthday ;) - I have a director to offer for DYK (next set), had a conductor 5 years ago, and the complete works by Bach 10 years ago, all less bloody. Today's intention: not to end the day without a FAC nom. I'm procrastinating, but Jerome Kohl, the effort of many, was worth it, - more help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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please expain

this edit you made on the Exersice tiger page.

Your reference wasn't clear as to what it was, article, book etc but I found it here.

It mentions Operation Tiger 11 pages after the page you reference but says "The incident passed without repercussions." The document does not connect Tiger to that one sentence on page 259 saying he had an increased interest in Normany in any fashion. It makes no judgment at all on the reason. The document does not connect the to things at all. This is the problem with people using sources that are hard to check, like you saying what you wrote was on that page. Actually what you wrote was a total fabrication on your part and i want to know why you did it. If I missed something point it out. Jackhammer111 (talk) 00:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC).

References

Hi Jackhammer111. Firstly can I suggest that you reread WP:AGF, and then WP:NPA. Secondly, as I made that edit more than three years ago, you won't be surprised to hear that I have no recollection of it. You are entirely correct that the source given does not support the text; apologies for that and thank you for pointing it out. Going back through the sources I have to hand, I suspect that I should have given Ambrose (D-Day, 2002). I also should probably have been less emphatic, but I was a newbie editor then. I have rephrased and reattributed. See what you think. If it is not to your taste, feel entirely free to change or revert. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Less empathetic? Previously you used one sentence in a 450 page document and fabricated a connection between Slapton Sands and the Cotentin beach and that one sentence. Now you come back and use that one sentence about Hitler's insistence and you use essentially the same words that you used before. And here's where it gets dicey. I found the reference in the book that you used. And this brings up a sensitive topic. Popular historians are not infallible. Check the reference the author uses to draw that conclusion. There is what I might call an incestuous relationship between the source you used before and the source you're using now, and its author using the same one you used...it's the Harrison book cross-channel invasion and even references the same page that you have admitted does not support what you wrote. It doesn't support what he wrote either and it doesn't matter That he put it in a book. The cross-channel Invasion book does not claim any connection between exercise tiger and Hitler shifting priorities and doesn't even claim that Hitler knew about exercise tiger. I'll quote back the sentence "Whether Hitler saw and reacted to these naval estimates or whether he had access to other information, in late April his interest in Normandy increased and he began to insist strongly on the need to reinforce the defense there. " that comes after there's a discussion about the naval estimates and If you read the naval estimates there is no mention of exercise tiger or its location in those Naval estimates. For the sake of discussion, I want to point out something else I noticed that Ambrose did that I find disturbing. He added the word "lower" to Normandy. The cross-channel Invasion book doesn't say lower Normandy. Normandy is a large area that includes the entire Cotentin peninsula. In March Hitler concludes that it will be on the Cotentin and Brittany peninsulas. Then it says in April he says, Normandy. It looks to me like they are in exactly the state of confusion but the Allies Intended them to be in. I believe I have read elsewhere that Hitler did reinforce the upper peninsula thinking it would be Cherbourg and even diverted troops to the Brittany peninsula. We know in reality he did very little to reinforce the lower Normandy. If you recall Rangers were surprised when they scaled The Cliffs at Pointe du hoc find the big guns were gone and there weren't a lot of troops there. The only guns that needed silencing at Pointe du hoc where's some 88 about three or four hundred yards inland that were firing east Southeast across the peninsula at Omaha which was four or five miles away. I've been there. Something else Ambrose did disturbs me. Remember, he's using the same source you did which doesn't even conclude that he ever knew anything about exercise tiger yet Ambrose goes on to praise Hitler saying he had an amazing ability to store topographical information. Talk about unsupported bologna. It's a good thing for us Hitler had no special genius and that he acted like he was a military genius despite having no military education having never risen above Lance corporal when he was in the military And yet here is Ambrose claiming without evidence that Hitler recognized the similarity and reinforced "lower" Normandy of which he did such a lousy job of that it becomes where we succeed. I think it's clear that if the Germans hadn't guessed wrong they would have thrown us back into the sea. Look up what Ambrose writes on the rest of the page and the next. He hasn't got a clue as to what Hitler knew or didn't know

While what I wrote to you before and I'm writing to you now is sternly worded I don't consider it a personal attack. If you're objecting to the word fabrication and I stand by the word because you reach the conclusion that you put on that page that was not supported by your reference. I'm sure you know Wikipedia policy on original research. A lot of men died needlessly in this rehearsal. We shouldn't be saying that this caused more needless deaths on D-Day unless that's really what happened. I'd appreciate it if you were the one that removes this instead of me so it doesn't look like I've taken the second step towards an edit War. We can continue to discuss it if you like. By the way oh, this was a pain in the ass for me to research. I found a copy of the ebook that I downloaded from my library but my eReader doesn't show page numbers.. Slow and bulky. I kind of blew my day. I'm just bitching, I'm not blaming you.Jackhammer111 (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Rethymno

The article Battle of Rethymno you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Battle of Rethymno for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Ancient sources in FAs

Hey Gog, I'm helping out with WP:URFA/2020, and there are some very old FAs (promoted around 2006) that use Xenophon/Thucydides/etc. rather uncritically and directly as sources for historical events, rather than modern secondary sources. I have a suspiscion that heavy direct usage of the ancient writers may not be a good thing for FAs, but I thought you and @T8612: might have more experience with this area and subject, so I'd like to know y'all's opinions. Hog Farm _Bacon 19:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hog Farm, soon to be Sir Hog Farm. They are primary sources, and come with all of the usual warnings re primary sources. Ideally these shouldn't be directly cited to at all. I have managed a dozen ancient FAs without, I think, a single cite to a primary source, so it is not as if it is difficult. The occasional cite for a non-controversial fact, OK. More than that and a nom wouldn't get past FAC. How much in an existing FA is enough to bring an article to FAR if it isn't re-cited is a bit subjective - those that are mostly primary sourced are obviously headed there. If you would care to point me at some specific examples I could give you a horseback opinion. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thrasybulus is the first one that comes to mind. It also has some OR and lack of citation issues, so it's probably FAR-bound anyway. I think Theramenes also is another one that needs attention. Hog Farm _Bacon 20:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Whole paragraphs not referenced at all. Theramenes is a decent C class and needs putting out of its misery. Thrasybulus might be saved if someone were to put a lot of TLC into re-citing. Given the other issues it would probably be easier to rewrite it. I like to give existing FAs a big benefit of the doubt, but those two look hopeless cases. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I think Gog's already got an inkling of my opinion on using ancient primary sources for articles ... and I know I gave poor T8612 an earful/eyeful the other day. The short bit is .. it's a bad idea. Ealdgyth (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll be nominating one of the two for FAR when it turns to the 17th, as that is when my next one is open. I'd say they both need it, sadly. I know you may not want to, but you're always welcome to join any discussions over at FAR, as well. Hog Farm _Bacon 21:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I've told Sandy I just don't have the time. I'm stretched thin enough as it is. (I SHOULD be working on non-wiki-horse research... not poking my nose in here) Ealdgyth (talk) 21:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hog Farm Unlike Gog, I don't think that primary sources shouldn't be used at all, there's even a policy on this WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD, but they should not be "alone", eg. it's fine to have a reference to Thucydides, who is a very important source, but there should be at least another reference to a modern source next to it. The best way to check whether primary sources are used correctly is to jump to the references section. If you see—as with Thrasyboulos—four successive references to Thucydides and then one to Xenophon (notes 11-15), you can be sure that it's not going to be good enough for FA. I think I told you that you can also nominate Pericles, Aspasia, Alcibiades, and Demosthenes for the same reason.T8612 (talk) 22:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@T8612: I'm not opposed to use of primary sources either; I've even used official ACW military reports lightly in all four of my FAs. However, since ancient history was often of a quite different stripe than modern history (for instance Josephus, I've read his entire Jewish Antiquities), I also think the ancient sources should be used sparingly, and in conjunction with modern assessments when used. Hog Farm _Bacon 22:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

FAC Mentoring Follow-Up

Hello! I contacted you a little over a month ago about getting Ted Kaczynski to FA. I've gone through your suggestions and had a Copyedit done by the GOCE, and I think the article may be ready for FAC. Twofingered Typist's edit was wonderful, and they ironed out quite a few issues in the article. Let me know what you think as far as how to proceed. Thanks! AviationFreak💬 17:01, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi AviationFreak, it looks in decent shape on a skim. (Neo-luddite is dup-linked.) If it were me, I would put it in for Wikipedia:Peer review. If you do, I will give it another look over for copy edit, proof read, MoS, adherence to source etc. But the main object will be to get a broader view on breadth, undue, range, section order etc, and to see if any one flags up additional sources. PR has changed a little recently, so I am pinging the inestimable SandyGeorgia in case there is anything else you need to need to know and a general all round good person to assist with this stage. (The subject of the article has some unfortunate resonances for her, so don't push if she is unresponsive - query me instead.) Gog the Mild (talk) 17:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the PR idea. Will avoid the parts that make me see red ;) Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Listed at PR and added to the PR FAC Sidebar. Thank you! AviationFreak💬 19:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for adding it to the sidebar, AviationFreak! That will help me remember to get to it. I am so far behind right now that I despair, so if I am not there within a few weeks, please pester me at my talk page. PS, have you read User:SandyGeorgia/Achieving excellence through featured content? It is mostly oriented at medical editors, but lays out some basics for everyone. Good luck! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Guines (1352)

On 19 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Siege of Guines (1352), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 1352 Siege of Guines reignited the Hundred Years' War after six years of uneasy truce? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Guines (1352). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Siege of Guines (1352)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Jupiter

Hi Gog, are you still copy-editing Jupiter for the GOCE? The request at REQ has been marked as working since 6 January. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 19:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Apologies Baffle gab1978, two weeks! My goodness, that's bad. I reserved this, and also flagged up my involvement at PR, with all good intentions. But now that I am a FAC coordinator, and given my new role at TFA, my Wikipedia time just seems to evaporate. I think that, after copy editing 500,000 words over three years for GOCE, it is time for me to admit that I can no longer maintain my active involvement. I have struck my "Working" at GOCE R, and apologies again. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

No worries Gog, and thanks for striking. It's a big planet to copy-edit; far too much gravity to get sucked into (and watch out for that Great Red Spot!). :D I miss seeing your name on the requests page; thanks for all of the work you've done there and I hope you enjoy your new wiki-niches. I'm working at making myself scarce for a while... not really working, is it? ;) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editor at FAC

Hi. I originally brought this up to Ian Rose (here at their talk page) after being advised to consult one of the project coordinators. An editor from the jazz project appears to have hijacked my nomination of this article with relentless, disparaging, uncivil comments with the intention of removing references to the genre (to which reliable sources are attributed). Their comments section has become bloated, intractable, and unapproachable, and I am worried it's a blight on the nomination and might alienate serious reviewers from taking on the article. I've cited issues with their comments at Ian Rose's talk page, and this latest comment shows the editor will not back down. So I am now here. isento (talk) 02:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I even tried to distinguish the entirely genre/jazz-focused section by titling it "Genre comments by...", and the editor reverted me with the edit summary "these comments transcend genre" ([1]). The editor is indulging, escalating, and imploding with each comment. It is disturbing. I can't recall ever encountering such a singular resistance and personalized determination to force one's agenda or ideology at an FAC. Maybe in general. isento (talk) 03:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

He referred to one reliably sourced statement as "a bullshit statement in a bullshit article" ([2]) isento (talk) 04:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I've perused a few of the FA-reviewing guidelines, including this one, which says comments must be actionable, otherwise they won't be considered in determining a nomination's promotion. Their comments are not even approachable. I hesitated to respond again to that editor, because they can't seem to control their aggression and attitude. I feel some kind of intervention is necessary at this point. isento (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

An antagonistic soliloquy. That is the best way of describing what they've turned the section into. isento (talk) 05:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Isento: Apologies for the delayed response. The repetition of the same point and the inappropriate way in which this has been done has been noted. I understand that nominating a FAC is a stressful time - at least, mine always are - and that this sort of raising the temperature doesn't help. Let the comments made to date lie. If the reviewer makes further comments on other points respond to them normally - either editing the article or explaining why you don't. And if there is further repetition of inappropriately forceful language, please do flag it up here. @FAC coordinators: for information. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Flag it at the FAC talk page or at your talk page? Here's more since then: "If I played basketball as a kid, does that make me a basketball player for life? Or does it have a clear definition? I'm supposed to accept these mushy-headed statements as reliable sources regarding facts? That's wishful thinking, an article of faith. The will and desire to make something true although it really isn't. ... It matters to people with integrity who know how to use words properly and whose first interest is the reader. It matters because words matter. And if it's not a big deal, then why not remove it? Why fight it so hard? Therefore it must be a big deal, right? I don't know how many times I have to say this: 'elements of jazz' is not identical to jazz, and it's such a vague statement as to be meaningless. What specifically does it mean? Just like 'forays into jazz'. It allows the writer to sound elevated while saying nothing, a common tactic in music journalism. Puffery, in other words. And since when does one person's feelings determine the quality of an article? Are we done with facts?" isento (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Isento, on it. Please ignore it, hard as that may be. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to closed FAN

"Was "Cyrenaica Command" the formal and official title?"

I just wanted to follow-up about this point. Yes, it was the formal and official title. Am I missing something in the article about that, or need to tweak something?

@EnigmaMcmxc: I had not personally come across this expression before, so I just wanted to check that it wasn't a - perfectly sensible - informal phrase. If it were, the second C needed to be lower case, that was all. As it is a proper noun, no problem. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you :) EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	You have certainly had your hand in what I would consider an insane amount of FAs and GAs. As that meme goes, "Just take my [barnstar]!" Hoping to add to your 2021 bling TheSandDoctor Talk 05:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

TheSandDoctor Thank you, much appreciated. For still being in January my 2021 Bling Bar is accumulating nicely. I try to keep my total of GAs and FAs ticking over. Not that I'm obsessed. Oh no. I can give it up any time I want to. Any time. Yes. Any time at all. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:33, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Treaty of Guînes

On 3 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Guînes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the English and French agreed to a draft treaty in 1354 to end what was to become the Hundred Years' War, but the French reneged and the war continued for a further 101 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Treaty of Guînes. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Treaty of Guînes), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Kinghorn

On 5 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Kinghorn, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after losing the Battle of Kinghorn in 1332, the Earl of Fife was "full of shame" at being defeated by such a small force? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Kinghorn. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Battle of Kinghorn), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations from the Military History Project

		The Military history A-Class medal with oak leaves
		On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the A-Class medal with Oak Leaves for Battle of the Saw, Spendius, and Battle of Heraklion. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Well-deserved and excellent work. 7 of this is quite impressive. Hog Farm _Talk 00:37, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing in your GA articles

Gog, this is just a curious question - in the GA articles that you rewrote, how did you get all the non-JSTOR sources? Were you reading a lot about them (eg. the Punic Wars) at the time, or is there a simpler way of just accessing relevant sources for a particular need? Thanks in advance. HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 10:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

(Specifically, I mean the book sources.) HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 10:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

HalfdanRagnarsson, well now. I never do serious work on an article unless I own a hardback RS which covers it. Often several. This or these frequently serve as the "spine" of the article. After that Google Scholar is helpful, as is Academia. Google Books can be very helpful - sometimes - if you know how to use it, but time consuming. Sometimes books oft cited on Wikipedia or in other books or articles can be useful. Unfortunately the chaff to wheat ratio is high, one reason I like to write several articles from a similar period - to maximise the output to input. And the more articles I write on a period, the more books on it I stumble across and a virtuous cycle emerges.

Does any of that help? Gog the Mild (talk) 23:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

K, thanks a lot . I've been a bit hard-pressed while source-finding sometimes, which is why I asked. HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 03:16, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

HalfdanRagnarsson, is there an article in particular that you are looking for a book source for? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Nothing immediately. I was working on the Achaean and fourth Macedonian wars till recently, but I'm on a semi-wikibreak for a few weeks to come - somewhat busy with exams. HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 12:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

HalfdanRagnarsson, [3]. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

This is actually the Second Macedonian War, but this book gives the the point of view of the Aetolian League, for which the Second Macedonian War (between Rome and Macedonia) was in fact the fourth time they got in war with Macedonia (hence the misleading title). T8612 (talk) 13:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Press

You're mentioned, incase you didn't know and are interested in such things. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, thank you for the link. Interesting. You may care to check the number of edits I have made. That said, interesting Wikipedia article too, I shall probably do some work on it.Gog the Mild (talk) 20:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

February

Thank you for your Bach reminder! I hope to get to the hymn and the discography, don't know about reception yet, really, - just today was another day of following an obituary, a very unusual one. Bach music pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

The very unusual biography is now on the Main page. The hymn and the discography are expanded. I am still unhappy about having to move the discography to a separate article because one user claims that the original source for the article, from the Bach Cantata Website, is not reliable, while my evaluation seems to be shared by reliable sources, see here:

• Johan van Veen: Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) / Thomanerchor Leipzig - The Great Bach Tradition (CD review) musicweb-international.com November 2011: "The booklet fails to mention the dates, but the Bach Cantatas Website provides us with these missing pieces of information."

I found that by chance when looking for recordings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Update: the tags are gone, and Aza and Wehwalt began rewiewing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you today for Siege of Lilybaeum, introduced "For those not yet surfeited on First Punic War articles, I offer this relatively short article on Rome's nine-year-long attempt to end the war by capturing one of Carthage's last two strongholds on Sicily"! A great offer! I am sorry to report that my offer is at a hold because FS is busy elsewhere, and I (and Aza24) don't know what to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) - The FAC situation looks much better. I wonder why we had a peer review ... - sorry that the FAC turned into one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about the Battle of Kinghorn received 6,372 page views (531 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is the one of most viewed hooks during the month of February and has thus earned a place on the February stats list. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty: FA Mentoring?

Dear Gog the Mild. Thank you for having made yourself available for FA mentoring! I am a novice with just over 6000 edits and one very recent GA: Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty. I now wonder about FA. The article is on the waiting list for copy-editing by GOCE. Perhaps I should also put it on the list for Peer Review, but I am a bit hesitant to ask so many people for help and time. Could you please have a quick look and tell me what you think. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 16:40, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Johannes, it looks to me as if there could be an FA in there. It also looks as if it will need a fair bit of work, much of it prose and MoS issues. GoCE is a fine place to start. Let's see what they make of it. Then going to PR is the obvious next move - some comments below on soaking up others' time and energy. Once that is done, assuming that feedback is positive, I would strongly recommend putting it through the Military History Project's A class review process (ACR). Have a read through a couple of reviews to get a feel for what to expect. ACR can be thought of as FAC light. Then we can discuss whether it is up to scratch for an FAC nomination. Does that make sense?

Re using others time, that is how Wikipedia works, and it is the stronger for it, and our articles are better. If this bothers you - it certainly bothers me - then you could do what I do and pay forward. I keep track of my GA, AC and FA promotions. And of the reviews I do for each of these. I try to maintain ratios of at least 2, 5 and 6 to one respectively, which reassures me that in the grand scheme of things it is roughly balancing out. Doing some reviews in advance of a nomination can help in other ways: it gives you a feel for the features of a high quality article and for what other reviewers and nominators are looking for, it prepares you for the process, which can occasionally be a little rumbustious, and it can build up some goodwill with other editors who may be more inclined to subsequently review your nomination and prevent it from timing out due to lack of reviews.

So ping me once it is out of copy edit and we will renew this discussion. In the meantime, feel free to query me about anything on your mind. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Dear Gog the Mild. Thanks for your kindness. I'll do as you say. With regard to quid-pro-quo I already have started: I did 6 GA reviews for the one I received. I found GA relatively simple. I do not see me doing GOCE copy-edits anytime soon. I am looking forward to talk to you again, but I need to wait for my turn in the GOCE queue. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 21:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC).

Hi Johannes Schade, you are quite right to avoid GoCE - they are a wonderful team and do their work purely for the joy of helping out. As you are experienced at GAN, perhaps consider doing a few reviews at ACR? As you seem interested in the ECW period, the FACs for Battle of Dunbar and Battle of Inverkeithing may be less dry than one picked at random. (The latter is current and is my nom, but this is not a solicitation for a review.

We shall speak again when GoCE release Clancarty. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

January 2021 GOCE Drive bling

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Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty reviewed by Twofingered Typist

Dear Gog the Mild. We are one step further. Twofingered Typist has been professional and thorough: quite a few changes. I learned a couple of things. I have tried my hand at A-Class Review: Uganda–Tanzania War by user Indy beetle. Buidhe and Eddie891 have also reviewed, but this review seems to have gone asleep. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 18:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Uganda–Tanzania War: that was good of you. I have given some of the participants a nudge. Could you ping me once you reach a decision re supporting or opposing? Thanks.

I think that you should put Clancarty in for ACR then. If it drags out you can always withdraw it and go straight for either PR or FAC, but given that it is a GA and has just gone through GoCE ACR seems reasonable. If you agree, simply nominate it. If you don't, the obvious alternative is PR. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) just a note that Indy has said they are feeling unwell, so the review may go slow for a while until they are feeling better. Best, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh dear. Cheers Eddie891. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Dear Gog the Mild. I have nominated the article for MH A-Class review as you recommended. I had some trouble with item Number 3 of the instructions, which says:

"Add A-Class=current to the {{WPMILHIST}} project banner at the top of the article's talk page (e.g. immediately after the class= or list= field)."

I added "A-Class=current" immediately after "class=GA", saved it, and never found "Additional information". I worked, however, when I moved "A-Class=current" to the very end of the template after the last task force. The explanation therefore seems to only fit cases where there are no task forces. Instruction Number 3 also forgets to mention that the would-be nominator should save. Thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

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Promotion of Battle of Inverkeithing

Congratulations, Gog the Mild! The article you nominated, Battle of Inverkeithing, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

:) GirthSummit _(blether) 00:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Boy, that was fast! Good Job!--Panini^🥪 14:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Panini!, it took longer than five weeks, which I wouldn't call speedy. Faster than some, but probably about on my average. In so far as it was speedy, it was because I stole all of the good prose from stuff Girth Summit had written earlier for another FAC, which allowed be to dazzle the reviewers with my faux erudition. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

That's not exactly how I would have phrased it, but I'll take whatever kudos is on offer! GirthSummit _(blether) 17:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Girth Summit, if you had had a little more free time it would have been a joint nom. I am grateful that your research and prose gave me the framework to hang the article on. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:39, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Dupplin Moor

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Battle of Dupplin Moor you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Willbb234 -- Willbb234 (talk) 10:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Dupplin Moor

The article Battle of Dupplin Moor you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Battle of Dupplin Moor for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Willbb234 -- Willbb234 (talk) 12:00, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 March newsletter

Round 1 of the competition has finished; it was a high-scoring round with 21 contestants scoring more than 100 points. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 55 contestants qualifying. You will need to finish among the top thirty-two contestants in Round 2 if you are to qualify for Round 3. Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

• Epicgenius led the field with a featured article, nine good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 945 points.
• Bloom6132 was close behind with 896 points, largely gained from 71 "In the news" items, mostly recent deaths.
• ImaginesTigers, who has been editing Wikipedia for less than a year, was in third place with 711 points, much helped by bringing League of Legends to featured article status, exemplifying how bonus points can boost a contestant's score.
• Amakuru came next with 708 points, Kigali being another featured article that scored maximum bonus points.
• Ktin, new to the WikiCup, was in fifth place with 523 points, garnered from 15 DYKs and 34 "In the news" items.
• The Rambling Man scored 511 points, many from featured article candidate reviews and from football related DYKs.
• Gog the Mild, last year's runner-up, came next with 498 points, from a featured article and numerous featured article candidate reviews.
• Hog Farm, at 452, scored for a featured article, four good articles and a number of reviews.
• Le Panini, another newcomer to the WikiCup, scored 438 for a featured article and three good articles.
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These contestants, like all the others, now have to start again from scratch. In Round 1, contestants achieved eight featured articles, three featured lists and one featured picture, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. They completed 97 good article reviews, nearly double the 52 good articles they claimed. Contestants also claimed for 135 featured article and featured list candidate reviews. There is no longer a requirement to mention your WikiCup participation when undertaking these reviews.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is a good article candidate, a featured process, or something else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

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  - the one and only Wikipedian Sanskrit grammarian! Gog the Mild (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Dupplin Moor

The article Battle of Dupplin Moor you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Battle of Dupplin Moor for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Willbb234 -- Willbb234 (talk) 18:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Maurice Holleaux

Are you familiar with this author? War against Nabis is an old featured article I checked for WP:URFA/2020, and I listed it as needing a featured article review if work is not done at WP:FARGIVEN. The fact that whole sections are sourced solely to Livy and the rather dated Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology are enough to warrant the FAR notice, but I'm trying to determine the full extent of the issues. Holleaux is an older source, but it's possible they could still be fine. Are you familiar with how useful that author is? Hog Farm _Talk 03:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hog Farm, no, I have not come across him. He seems solid, and I would normally put reasonable faith in the CAH. But a 91 year old version? Looking at the article generally it seems completely beyond help. My suggestion would be not to spend too much time on it. It needs triaging and your valuable time allocating to FARs which have the potential to be salvaged. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lancaster's Normandy chevauchée of 1356

On 3 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lancaster's Normandy chevauchée of 1356, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1356 Henry of Lancaster marched an English expedition through Normandy 330 miles (530 km) in 22 days while successfully avoiding battle with the French king's far larger army? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lancaster's Normandy chevauchée of 1356. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Lancaster's Normandy chevauchée of 1356), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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March flowers

Today: Carmen for TFA (on my request), with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Help on sources?

Help, help, help! Gog the Mild (talk) 15:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

As soon as I'm not sick... sorry for dropping the ball... but got home from trip and ... promptly got sick. Am slowly coming out of it. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Not to worry Ealdgyth. I am doing some volunteer work helping a group of university students learn how to use Wikipedia. When I got to "How to use a talk page" it seemed easiest to just show them. I had intended to delete the post as soon as the session was over. But you got in first. I shall set up a separate account to work with them so it doesn't happen again. You relax and get well - RL is the important thing. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

If this is about source reviews at FAC... I've been meaning to get some (will probably do so this upcoming weekend), but have been distracted with ones at FLC lately. Aza24 (talk) 05:46, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

It is my pleasure to nominate Gog The Mild to receive his second Editor of the Week Award. Gog last received this award in July 2019. The scale and quality of his contributions justify a renewed recognition. It boggles the mind how many interests and topics he works on. But what I noticed was he is a fellow "Awarder". I often find him giving his self-created Appreciation Medals to fellow editors. A look at his User Contributions shows an editor constantly reaching out to fellow contributors with words (and awards) of encouragement. This award finds him in the midst of doing some volunteer work "helping a group of university students learn how to use Wikipedia". Gog signed up in 2014 but really got busy in JAN of 2018. His amazing efforts are to long to mention: take a look at his lists of promoted articles and draft main page blurbs (and, especially, its archive}, and tell me you are not impressed. He contributes to WP:DYK and 2 projects:Featured article candidates and Military History and is a coordinator at both. He finished in second place in the 2020 Military Historian of the Year Award. Of his over 50,000 edits, 21,000 are in MainSpace. He has promoted 32 Featured Articles and 81 Good Articles. Editors have acknowledged being the grateful recipients of his tactful, honest and knowledgeable advice. On top of all that, Gog is a frequent participant in the WikiCup. Thank you Gog the Mild for all you do to make this workplace pleasurable.

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