Nicotine patch works good for ADD

I have been on the patch for the past 3 days and so far so good. I have been cutting 14 mg patches in half and taking one half a day. For me personally it is working better than the Adderall or the Ritalin. My focus and mood have been greatly increased. Another thing that I liked more about the patch than Adderall was the fact that I havent gotten rapid heartbeat yet or a suppressed appetite. I personally find Adderall to be better than nicotine for motivation but I find nicotine to be much better for focus. In the past 3 days I have been getting so focused on the task at hand that I sometimes dont notice anything thats going on around me. I am going to make a chart kinda like jerebaldo1's chart from his nicotine patch expermient except I am going to compare my experience with Adderall and the nicotine patch.


Nicotine patch (7mg a day)

motivation=
focus++
appetite=
mood+
social skills-(small decrease)
energy+
endurance+
multi-tasking-
anxiolytic++


Adderall (10-30mg a day)

motivation++
focus+
appetite--
mood+
social skills=
energy+
endurance+
multi-tasking+
anxiolytic-

I would personally give the edge to Nicotine. I thought that it had less side effects and it also helped my mood and focus a lot. I wish that it would give me the kind of motivation that Adderall gives me. Nicotine is working great though. I will keep everyone posted on this experiment and how things pan out in the upcoming days and weeks.

Edited by guyledouche, 11 March 2006 - 04:11 PM.

I'd never even consider using a nicotine patch unless I had a smoking problem. Nicotine is neurotoxic and highly addictive.

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^it is true that nicotine is highly addictive. If you get addicted to substances very easily then I wouldnt recommend it. I am not prone to addiction however. I used to smoke ciggaretes and use tobacco dip(high nicotine content) when I was younger and I only used them sparingly and never got addicted. I was only smoking about 2 cigs a day and was even skipping days sometimes. I only used the dip sparingly. I was able to quit smoking very easily without any relapse. I only smoked when I wanted to relax. Therefore I feel that what I am doing is very safe. I am only going to cycle on and off the patch. I will sometimes use the patch for a week straight and then go a week off so that I dont build a tolerance. I may even start using the patch only on an as needed basis. Such as on a high stress day or a day were I have to get a lot of work done. Some people say that nicotine is more addicting than heroin or any other drug, but for me its not addictive at all. Its just something that I like. Kinda like when someone loves chocolate cake. They love it but they dont eat it every day.

Ive been using Commit lozenges lately also and they work really good for my ADD. They dont last as long as the patch so I use them when I need a 3-4 hour strong focus. I took one lozenge last night around 9:30pm and was working my ass off until 2am. Nicotine rules.

I havent gotten addicted to the patch or lozenges at all and they still work great.

I tried lately with 7mg patch but it made me sick. I will cut them in half next time. I try just out of curiosity since the cost is very high and there is risk of addiction.

7mg made you sick? You must be very sensitive to nicotine so be careful. Im guessing that you were never a smoker or chewer in the past. I used to do both so I already know my limits with nicotine.

exigentsky said

I'd never even consider using a nicotine patch unless I had a smoking problem. Nicotine is neurotoxic and highly addictive.

I'm sorry. Well-intentioned, but this isn't correct information, it is not neurotoxic, unless you are going to define "neurotoxic" in such a way that would convict substances such as l-theanine, caffeine, etc., as well. Caffeine in fact is shown to be neuroprotective -- there's a linear correlation between intake and likelihood of Parkinson's Disease. While not perfectly clear if it's correlational or causational, the weight of evidence is coming down mostly for the latter, and this is very good news. There's even some thought that nicotine might be neuroprotective. The evidence here is equivocal though and I suspect if it is neuroprotective, then it's only weakly so. Now, if you choose to smoke your nicotine in any of the various recreational forms such as cigarettes, etc., then you are asking for trouble, not because of the nicotine however.

^agreed [thumb]

'johnmk', on 12 Mar 2006 - 7:32 PM, said:

I'm sorry. Well-intentioned, but this isn't correct information, it is not neurotoxic, unless you are going to define "neurotoxic" in such a way that would convict substances such as l-theanine, caffeine, etc., as well. Caffeine in fact is shown to be neuroprotective -- there's a linear correlation between intake and likelihood of Parkinson's Disease. While not perfectly clear if it's correlational or causational, the weight of evidence is coming down mostly for the latter, and this is very good news. There's even some thought that nicotine might be neuroprotective. The evidence here is equivocal though and I suspect if it is neuroprotective, then it's only weakly so. Now, if you choose to smoke your nicotine in any of the various recreational forms such as cigarettes, etc., then you are asking for trouble, not because of the nicotine however.

`Nice reply.

'rockmaster', on 01 Jun 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

`Nice reply.

Nice reply.

An excellent overview on nicotine: http://gwern.net/Nicotine

I've been using the gum for several weeks now. I usually take 2 mg, and get a buzz that lasts for about an hour and a half (The half life of nicotine is 60 minutes). Combined with modafinil the effect is pretty intense. It's an interesting drug, but I use it pretty lightly due to the increased cancer risk, addiction factor, and short half life. I'd definitely recommend that people who are interested in nicotine get the patch instead of the the gum, as the effect is less intense and more drawn out. Also, I suspect long term gum use would cause some problems in your mouth.

Nicotine tolerance rises quickly, so I'd recommend cycling this drug on a regular basis, or only using it for special occasions.

"guyledouche" seems like a troll.

Here's a post about someone who says he developed mental issues after using nicotine patches for week to help study.
Nicotine is addictive.

http://www.longecity...nicotine-usage/

Interesting timing.

Anyway

It seems like a bad idea to use nicotine for anything other than smoking cessation. It is neurotoxic; nicotinic pesticides are suspecting of causing colony collapse disease that is killing the bees. It has also been used as an organic pesticide, it has also been used to stun fish (which I also don't recommend). It could also act as a gateway to a non-smoker taking up smoking. People can OD on nicotine and it isn't pretty. If you fool with the time-release mechanism in the patch it might happen. Smoking just isn't healthy, and the behavior and thinking around it is never healthy. There's really no one who smokes cigarettes who isn't addicted to them. Anyone who smokes everyday is addicted. Non smokers never use cigarettes to "relax." I've also never known an one under 55 who smoked who didn't also take drugs or drink to excess.

It's best to leave this substance alone.

Edited by Luminosity, 02 June 2012 - 06:05 AM.

There is a good deal of research that supports nicotine as being neurotoxic. I think its been proven to cause cell apotosis.

On top of that it really isn't that effective I was using it for a period of a few months, at the first the stimulation is great for the first few days then it wears off and it starts giving very weird effects, it makes you act weird and it has very weird weird effects upon disuse, like your ADD comes back in a really grandiose way.

The concentration is good in bumps, like smoking a cigarette, but I find with patches its like this constant drip of nicotine and it becomes very uncomfortable once the initial benefits subside, which they will because tolerance builds to nicotine. The stimulation isn't very good because the action of nicotine is very complicated, after a while you become reliant on nicotine to relax.

Great if it works for you, just saying don't be surprised at all if it starts turning into a really shitty drug a few weeks down the line.

On the other hand I don't smoke, but when very occasionally I do I find it "okay" as a stimulant like a really shitty better than nothing stimulant. I don't smoke daily anybody who does is mildly addicted, like I said above I prefer the bumps of nicotine from cigarettes rather than the constant patches.

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Yesterday I cut a 4mg Nicorette brand gum in half, chewed it, didn't feel much at the time.... Later in the afternoon I chewed the other --slightly bigger-- half, and chewed it faster. I drunk a small shot of whiskey and hit the road. After half an hour of chewing while on the phone (hands free, mind you) I had to stop the car to puke. It wasn't only nausea, I was feeling miserable, queasy and discombobulated; wanted to cry. After puking the feeling slowly subsided. Half an hour later I felt considerably better.

I'm obviously a non-smoker. I'm 43, and have always been overly sensitive to psychotropics. This seems over the top, though. I'm taking 2mg selegiline in the mornings, but I doubt that it's got anything to do with my reaction, which others reported as well (albeit not that intense, it seems)

Moreover, this morning I woke up with a foul mood, extremely irritable. (can't say I can chalk it to the Nicotine, though) Now being 2pm I'm starting to feel like not killing kittens. I think the second espresso helped quite a bit. Ahh, caffeine. If I only could a second one as good and holy.

I will keep trying. I'm about to chew 1/4 gum now, slowly. Will report later. Or puke.