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[–]bitpotluck 58 points59 points  (37 children)

Is it weird that I like the fact Satoshi uses the word "sweet"?

[–]justgimmieaname 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Yeah, that sounds out of tune to me as well.

Also this one: "Not saying it can't work without something..."

That dialog does not seem Satoshi-esque

[–]notreddingit 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Casual Satoshi vs public writings(bitcoin.org and then bitcointalk) Satoshi maybe?

[–]2ndEntropy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Intelligent people always adjust their demeanour and language depending on the situation and environment.

[–]DjWithNoNameYet 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yu wot m8?

[–]nathanielpopper[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

for one possible explanation on that count, see the comment below from googlemaster1

[–]solled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that your feeling too?

[–]PumpkinFeet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Buddy I can't find digital gold on amazon.co.uk? Does it have a different release date here?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I wonder if Satoshi lifts.

[–]yale4breakfast 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Could we assume that Satoshi is English, Canadian, American, Or Australian? I dont think that other languages use the word "sweet" to describe good.

[–]auxon0 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

His writing looks so familiar, like he was born and raised around the same time and area I was. There is a lack of British or Aussie lingo, but a lot of Canadian in his writings. He follows the writing styles taught in my university (and all Canadian universities, AFAIK), uses punctuation almost perfectly, and just feels like he's my age. The word sweet was and is still commonly used by Canadians my age (40).

[–]AgrajagTheFirst 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He must be British and 26, because I use the word sweet too.

[–]happyscrappy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is this university that teaches people to end sentences with propositions?

[–]ztsmart 9 points10 points  (16 children)

He's not a deity...

[–]fudster_shill -2 points-1 points  (15 children)

He is though. He's soon to be the richest man to ever live since he controls more coin than anyone else. Once Bitcoin is the world currency he will own something like 7% of all wealth and will be able to buy multiple entire countries.

[–]HamBlamBlam 7 points8 points  (0 children)

lol

[–]jupiter0 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Satoshi owns 7% of Bitcoin?

[–]fudster_shill 0 points1 point  (3 children)

No. He owns much more than that currently. In a hundred years though assuming he continues to not spend his coins he will own about 7%.

[–]tmornini 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Can you share your arithmetic on that?

I believe he owns slightly less than 1M.

1M/14M = 7.14%

1M/21M = 4.76%

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once Bitcoin is the world currency he will own something like 7% of all wealth and will be able to buy multiple entire countries.

And yet that's preferable to the 1% we currently have which is it least in the hands of... you know... more than one person with unknown intentions? Bitcoin followers here always talk about wealth redistribution, but how is one guy controlling near a tenth of the world financial market a good idea in this communities mind? That's insane!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like how you say this without realising it is the strongest argument ever for why Bitcoin will never be that big.

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    [–]Poromenos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Can I have some of that Kool-Aid?

    [–]futilerebel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I had this thought as well.

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      [–]AussieCryptoCurrency 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      First thing I thought... Satoshi is an 18 year old college grad? ... doubtful

      It's a they IMO, and I don't know how many 18 yo college graduates there'd be.

      [–]its_bitney_bitch 8 points9 points  (4 children)

      Is this actually a genuine Satoshi conversation? Got any more?

      [–]nathanielpopper[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      yes it is indeed genuine. check out my last post for the backstory. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3385j0/i_spent_the_last_year_traveling_the_world_trying/

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        [–]its_bitney_bitch 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        On the contrary, Satoshi never once signed a message.

        [–]davidbaileybtcmedia 9 points10 points  (15 children)

        This sounds like a very strange satoshi conversation.. is the idiom "horn in" similar to "hone in"? What's its origination? England?

        [–]haight6716 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Horn in is sort of a red neck term. I heard it all the time growing up in rural Pennsylvania. Something to do with how cows behave.

        I'm also surprised to hear Satoshi use it, but I don't think it's a misspelling, he's using it correctly.

        [–]n0mdep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Interesting. That might be the best explanation -- after all, it would be a very odd typo/mistake to make and certainly out of character.

        [–]Bagatell_ 6 points7 points  (11 children)

        See "shoehorn".

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

        I suspect you are wrong and it was a spelling mistake because "horn in" doesn't make sense. It doesn't sound like Satoshi. I have friends that very very rarely make a spelling mistakes when typing online and Satoshi seemed very like them, suggesting Satoshi was more than one person.

        [–]ergofobe 5 points6 points  (8 children)

        "Horn in" is actually correctly used. But it's a very American expression. I'm not sure I've ever heard it used by anyone but those who grew up in rural America. This, combined with the use of "sweet" could be very useful in identifying Satoshi.

        [–]MineForeman 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        "Horn in" is actually correctly used. But it's a very American expression.

        Not really. We use both in New Zealand as well (sweet too much so).

        Australians use them a lot too. It sounds like you are trying to fit the evidence to what you hope/believe :P .

        [–]marcus_of_augustus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The "sweet" idiom originated in NZ early '90's, now they use "sweet-as". Older kiwi guy, #8-wire rural practical, dropped out of academia disillusioned with US university system. ;)

        [–]ergofobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I've got no skin in the game. And don't really have an opinion worth protecting on this topic. TIL "horn in" isn't just an American phrase.

        [–]tommytrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Isn't Jed McCaleb's family from rural Arkansas?

        [–]AussieCryptoCurrency -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        "Horn in" is actually correctly used. But it's a very American expression. I'm not sure I've ever heard it used by anyone but those who grew up in rural America. This, combined with the use of "sweet" could be very useful in identifying Satoshi.

        Yes, he's a redneck cypherpunk from Japan. /s

        Clearly the group (or person) doesn't want to be identified, and I doubt they ever will be

        [–]ergofobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm a high-tech redneck and proud of it. /!s And I know quite a few others, some of who are fascinated with Japanese culture thanks to anime.

        Not saying that's who Satoshi is. Just saying its not outside the realm of the possible.

        [–]DeliriousPrecarious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        In the context "horn in" actually makes more sense than "hone in".

        [–]googlemaster1 32 points33 points  (26 children)

        Reading that just reminds me of the very distinct probability that satoshi was a group of multiple different people

        [–]crimdelacrim 14 points15 points  (4 children)

        And one of those people is probably less than 40 years old.

        [–]circuitloss 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        I was thinking the exact same thing. He has to be under 40.

        [–]auxon0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm 40 and use the word 'sweet' all the time, and all his other writings (as cataloged in the Book of Satoshi) look and sound like someone straight out of my university (Dalhousie, Canada), who adopted the same writing style and lingo that I grew up with, and around my age. But who knows?

        [–]burritofanatic -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Yeah, though not as obvious as the word 'sweet', 'bootstrap' used in this manner probably suggests a relatively younger developer as well.

        [–]grabberfish -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Not at all. We oldies (40+) use these words regularly. It is common parlance in the technical communities and there's no upper age limit.

        [–]XapoDavid 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Doesn't a group of people vastly increase the likelihood of "someone in the group" coming forward, regardless of whichever pact they made (you have to assume they made a pact, right!)?

        [–]purestvfx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        err... we are not talking about a group of kids in a street gang who ripped off a betting shop.

        If this was a group of people then they were a solid crew.

        [–]sjalq 6 points7 points  (10 children)

        If this were true "they" would have recruited a better coder.

        [–]Coffeebe 3 points4 points  (9 children)

        Care to elaborate?

        [–]sjalq 10 points11 points  (7 children)

        Sathosi for all his genius did not output very well architected code. If they were a team and they had that expertise in economics, cryptography and operational security, it's fair to assume that they would have applied the same diligence to selecting a programmer. Point in case Bitcoin started off as Windows only, it's very unlikely that even if they had to select a coder and had to for other reasons select someone "so-so" that they would have settled on starting an opensource project in C++ on windows and not at least Linux.

        imho, it was one brilliant man who had a brilliant idea.

        [–]2ndEntropy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I also think this. My main reason is that there is no reason for satoshi to be a group. Only one giant leap of the imagination was needed, by someone that knew how to code proficiently. In fact if it was a group one of them probably would have cracked by now and we would know who they all are.

        [–]btctroubadour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah. If only one knows it, it's a secret. If two knows it, it's public knowledge (before long). ;)

        [–]Coffeebe 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Bitcoin started off as Windows only

        TIL

        [–]notreddingit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        And if I remember correctly it was Martti here with whom he's speaking with who was responsible for porting it over to Linux.

        [–]pardax 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        But maybe they are smarter than you, and executed it like this to make you believe it was just one man.

        [–]sjalq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Well, given how unbelievable he/she/it/they were at operational security regarding his/her/it/their identity that might actually be plausible.

        [–]marcus_of_augustus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's the system architecture that had to be done right and it appears to be sweet.

        The semantic nazis say their code is "architected" all they mean is it probably was formatted with an automaton.

        He's probably a guy who now says he never uses windows or does any c++.

        [–]portabello75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Almost certain this is the case myself. I have 2-3 highly likely suspects on my list.

        [–]ApplicableSongLyric 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        Samsung
        toshiba
        Nakamichi
        motorola

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Samsung

        Toshiba

        WUUUT

        [–]descartablet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        National kawasaki

        [–]AussieCryptoCurrency 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Reading that just reminds me of the very distinct probability that satoshi was a group of multiple different people

        This is nearly certainly the case. The code suggests this

        [–]bitsandmore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I strongly believe you are dead right!

        [–]lucasjkr 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        I read that and kept thinking that Satoshi got what he was looking for a short time later when Ross Ulbricht stumbled across Bitcoin

        [–]paleh0rse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I don't think Satoshi was happy about that development, though. I seem to recall him posting to that effect sometime later.

        [–]AussieCryptoCurrency 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I read that and kept thinking that Satoshi got what he was looking for a short time later when Ross Ulbricht stumbled across Bitcoin

        Silkroad grew Bitcoin and there's no denying that.

        [–]ztsmart 30 points31 points  (3 children)

        Bitcoin needed...the silk road. Ross Ulbritch helped bootstrap a currency in its infancy which will later will one day take down the government that is imprisoning him....the cosmic irony is strong in this realm.

        [–]cpgilliard78 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Yep Modern day Prometheus.

        [–]AussieCryptoCurrency 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Bitcoin needed...the silk road. Ross Ulbritch helped bootstrap a currency in its infancy

        Yes. This is true.

        which will later will one day take down the government that is imprisoning him....the cosmic irony is strong in this realm.

        This is so far to the fringe, the line is a dot. I was in agreement til this. If anything gets Ross freed early it'll be the Govt's own doing (ie prosecuting the 2 Federal agents).

        This "Bitcoin will take over the world" platitude is baseless

        [–]bitcoinisawesome 17 points18 points  (8 children)

        It's incredible how visionary and forward thinking this thread is. The first paragraph (Martti) describes the format of MtGox, second (Satoshi) describes the Silk Road, third is LocalBitcoins, 5th paragraph is the original Coinbase (minus the command-line interface bit).

        Wow...

        [–]thederpill 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        With all due respect, it's easy if you're from the future.

        [–]nathanielpopper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        you are right that a lot of the things Satoshi described here later came to pass.

        [–]earthmoonsun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I wonder if Satoshi was already thinking of DNMs as one of the first big and practical uses of Bitcoin.

        [–]jerguismi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        AFAIK, there was also a lot of ideas that satoshi thought about, that weren't succesful. It is easy to pick up the best ideas afterwards.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        sweet

        [–]yeh-nah-yeh 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        You made the right choice to leave that on the cutting room floor, entirely pedestrian.

        [–]nathanielpopper[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        hah. well, thanks for agreeing with my editing sensibility!

        [–]AussieCryptoCurrency -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

        You made the right choice to leave that on the cutting room floor, entirely pedestrian.

        Agreed.

        [–]chiefwhackahoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        See that arrow beside the comment? It's called an up vote, it signals your agreement AND gives out magical Internet points! Try it some time

        [–]CryptoEra 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Pre-ordered. Thanks for your book!

        [–]nathanielpopper[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        thank you.

        [–]killzon32 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Its official John Carmack is satoshi.

        [–]notreddingit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        That would be sweet.

        [–]killzon32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Quote from John Carmack

        Helping people directly can be a noble thing. Forcing other people to do it with great inefficiency? Not so much. There isn’t a single thing that I would petition the federal government to add to its task list, and I would ask that it stop doing the majority of the things that it is currently doing.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Any place I can pre-order the book with Bitcoin?

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Read last sentence of OP again! ;)

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Overstock has books?! I think I've died and gone to heaven :)

        [–]futilerebel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Great stuff! I can't wait for your book!

        [–]WIFI_Reilly 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Can't wait to read this. Have 1000 bits /u/changetip

        [–]nathanielpopper[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        very nice of you.

        [–]changetip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The Bitcoin tip for 1000 bits ($0.23) has been collected by nathanielpopper.

        what is ChangeTip?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Red flag on identification------"sweet". This rules out John Nash IMHO.

        [–]Raystonn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Just some cursory analysis, but it doesn't appear to be Satoshi based on the writing style.

        [–]gwern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Satoshi: Even if you had automation, you'd probably want to review orders manually before processing them anyway. It wouldn't be hard to process orders by hand, especially at first. You could always set a minimum order size to keep orders more infrequent.

        Ross Ulbricht is Satoshi Nakamoto: confirmed.

        [–]ezfile -1 points0 points  (7 children)

        Satoshi: That would be more powerful if there was also some narrow product market to use it for. Some virtual currencies like Tencent's Q coin have made headway with virtual goods.

        Bitcoin has proven to be perfect match for our online storage service https://ezfile.ch

        where instead of paying monthly fees, users can buy blocks of bandwidth and use it up for 1) downloading or 2) serving files or 3) storage

        the fact that Visa/Mastercard/Paypal dont want anything to do with filestorage is another factor

        Oh (inserting unashamed promotion) we now have a 2/3rds revenue share program with affiliates :) https://ezfile.ch/?m=affiliate

        [–]winlifeat 2 points3 points  (6 children)

        The comments section on random posts in /r/bitcoin is not the place to be advertising your service.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It was relevant to the conversation.

        [–]WIFI_Reilly 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        We've delivered thousands of dollars in Bitcoin rewards to bitcoiners old and new with our app WIFI Metropolis, and it could not have been possible without Bitcoin--no other way to deploy rewards globally exists.

        You can be very relevant to the conversation and tell people about your business. Have 1000 bits /u/changetip

        [–]changetip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The Bitcoin tip for 1000 bits ($0.23) has been collected by winlifeat.

        what is ChangeTip?

        [–]ezfile 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Apologies but i thought it was quite relevant in context of Satoshi's quote, my service must have introduced thousands of people to bitcoin by now, which is a plus for everyone in the bitcoin ecosystem no? rising tide lifts all boats?

        [–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I have not seen your service listed once here before ever, and I am on here all the time. If you sell product or services for bitcoin, you are more then welcome to mention them (once, or when ever appropriate). There are pages that list sites that take BTC, are you on any of those lists? (remember OP is shamelessly promoting his book)

        [–]oldbean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Sure it is

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Hone in = Focus with intensity, stabbing concentrated focus (British, English) Horned in? = Never heard of that ever. Could mean " Interrupt forcefully with rudeness"

        [–]jimmajamma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        "It would be sweet if there was some way to horn in on a market like that as the official virtual currency gets clamped down on with limitations."

        relevant

        [–]bitsandmore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        My favorite part of this post is reading the comments from all of us speculating on Satoshi!

        [–]earthmoonsun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        So, who do you think is Satoshi?

        [–]fiat_sux2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Any chance we could get Martti Malmi to verify this conversation for us? That would be sweet.

        [–]mmalmi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Verified. Looking forward to reading the book! Nathaniel's done his research. https://onename.com/sirius

        [–]shibamint[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        "Digital Gold" is a nice title ... I imagine how difficult was to explain Bitcoin at very beginning ... I imagine it was like to explain gold as a store of value to a caveman... or like that amusement ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4Ugw0lQ4Q

        [–]nathanielpopper[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That was the part of the book I probably rewrote the most times. Here is a short little part of it that I have on my website: http://www.nathanielpopper.com/what-is-bitcoin.html

        [–]StarMaged 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It was bad enough that in 2011, someone wrote a PR guide for us:

        https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Public_relations

        [–]BTCsplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "I've been thinking about a currency exchange service that sells and buys bitcoins for euros and other currencies."

        isn't that now BitReserve?

        [–]zcc0nonA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        An official bitcoin game with btc currency in game is what I got out of this.

        [–]zcc0nonA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        pricy though..