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[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I love the "32 dollars, decreasing over time" scheme. It's brilliant.

[–]jcoinner 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That was quite entertaining. Moriarty on meth, to be sure.

[–]exchanges_suck 42 points43 points  (1 child)

That's exactly what someone who was really Satoshi would say.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's also what someone who wasn't Satoshi would say, so I don't think that really predicts anything.

[–]Capitally 22 points23 points  (22 children)

I'm confused, who are you and why did people ever get the idea that you're Satoshi?

[–]gwern[S] 16 points17 points  (10 children)

Well, as I said: I sometimes write about Bitcoin history, Satoshi, and a lot about black-markets. For whatever reason, some people decide I may be Satoshi. This is stupid since I fail basic requirements for being Satoshi like I don't know any C++, but nevertheless, it happens.

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    [–]eof 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It would be the ultimate meta-move: document everything you do, be astoundingly prolific in several subjects, publish code written in haskell; and sneakily be a C++ expert of the highest caliber on the side. gwern has a "full" name attached to him; but I don't know if is his "real" name; but it wouldn't be that hard to track his life (probably) to see where he might have sneakily become a C++ hacker.

    [–]FeepingCreature 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Absence of evidence is evidence of absence if evidence could reasonably be expected. Whether evidence could be expected in this case is up for debate.

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      [–]FeepingCreature 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      "A move like [...] being a master in C++" is a sentence construction that hugely undersells the difficulty and work involved in actually mastering C++. Especially while maintaining scrupulous identity separation, in preparation for writing a highly complex C++ project years down the line, without ever publishing code or gathering feedback.

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        [–]FeepingCreature 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Especially while maintaining scrupulous identity separation [, never asking anything or saying anything about c++ to friends who could later call him out on not knowing cpp], in preparation [...] years down the line

        Basically, there's a huge conjunction of separate preconditions here that only fit if gwern was planning on writing a major C++ project but wanting to keep his involvement hidden, and sink something like a significant fraction of five to ten years of his life in this in advance.

        [–]catcradle5 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        You sound almost half as crazy as his blackmailer.

        [–]permanomad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        By not writing in it, duh.

        [–]QnickQnick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        It seems like it was just one guy tweaking hard hoping to bluff his way to a trillion dollar payout.

        The dude claims he's Satoshi, Nate Silver (but then he backtracks), a bitcoin developer Gavin, Fontas... The list goes on.

        The dude was (is?) thinking Gwern was singlehandedly manipulating just about every aspect of bitcoin. That goes beyond conspiracy and into paranoia.

        Long read but worth it if you want to read about a blogger trying to unravel a madman's 'theory'

        [–]planetrider 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Asking for a $650 million with no proof was the proof I needed that it was a crazy bluff.

        [–]FourFire 2 points3 points  (7 children)

        He's gwern, it was bound to happen...

        [–]Capitally 18 points19 points  (6 children)

        Who's gwern?

        [–]Tuxedage 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        How could you possible not know of the gwern? He's a big deal!

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        Not everyone is a part of bitcoin groupies.

        [–]NoahTheDuke 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I know him through his work on lesswrong.com, so who even knows. Dude gets around.

        [–]XxionxX 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        I am a bitcoin groupie and I have no idea who this is. I feel like I missed the memo.

        [–]eof 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        to be fair bitcoin is only a subset of his prolific writing http://gwern.net/

        [–]Whatjusthapened 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yawn...

        [–]Subduction 27 points28 points  (7 children)

        MAYBE 32 DOLLARS MEANS NOTHING TO YOU MR FANCYPANTS BUT TO SOME OF US THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

        [–]Migidarra 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Honestly that would fill up my tank for 2 weeks(I don't have a long distance to work)

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Lasts about a month for me. Yay new, efficient vehicles!

        I feel like sending you the $30 I have sitting on btc-e right now for some reason. I'm drunk though.

        [–]mustyoshi -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

        32$ isn't really a lot of money lol.

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            [–]buge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            It's not much in America, but in some countries it's a lot.

            [–]mustyoshi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, and as somebody who works at McDonalds, that's not a lot of money to me.

            lol.

            [–]Spherius 8 points9 points  (2 children)

            "Sunny" is doubtless a reference to the creator of Primecoin (among other alts, I believe), the pseudonymous Sunny King. Which fits with his mention of Primecoin earlier. ZipZap is a service which is going to make it possible to buy Bitcoins and Litecoins for cash at numerous physical locations in the UK and Russia next year. He also apparently thought you were both Roger Ver and Erik Voorhees.

            [–]gwern[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            "Sunny" is doubtless a reference to the creator of Primecoin (among other alts, I believe), the pseudonymous Sunny King.

            Ah. I had been wondering, but 'Sunny' was too common a term to google for...

            [–]toxicFork 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            It all makes sense now. They're all one person!

            [–]geekygirl23 51 points52 points  (37 children)

            Why are so many Bitcoin enthusiasts so weird?

            I am not only talking about your blackmailers, I also mean you. Know what normal people do when they get a completely ridiculous and nonsensical PM on reddit? They delete it.

            [–]gwern[S] 36 points37 points  (19 children)

            You're right that normal people would delete such a message. But I am not especially normal, and more importantly, since I spend time researching the black-markets like SR, I simply can't afford to ignore weirdo messages from pseudonymous people.

            [–]geekygirl23 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            I understand, it's just such a weird back and forth and thinking about explaining it to someone I know gives me a headache.

            [–]gwern[S] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

            Yeah, it reminds me a little of Death Note in that regard. 'He thinks I think he thinks...'

            [–]geekygirl23 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            If you ever want to go down a rabbit hole of psychology and figuring out what makes people tick you might try the creepy PM's girls get on reddit. Unlimited supply of data points. ;)

            [–]gwern[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Even I have limits, I'm afraid! The mysteries of creepy PMs must await a more enlightened and knowledgeable age of scientific inquiry.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I feel like I probably got on that list after suggesting this girl who posted on gonewild should go to /r/girlsgonebitcoin. Ah well.... I had good intentions.

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              [–]dogetipbot -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

              [Verified]: /u/ajax3592 -> /u/gwern Ð2.000000 Dogecoin(s) ($0.000638408) [help]

              [–]planetrider 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I think you would have had a lot of fun negotiating his price to a more reasonable ten million dollar range.

              [–]gwern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Nah, he would've shut that down: he took an extreme negotiating tactic of specifying that the sums were non-negotiable and set an aggressive punitory-fees/interest rate schedule - so any negotiation would've required not just decreasing the total payment but scrapping the entire interest rate schedule. When I saw the details, I immediately gave up any hope of doing some negotiating.

              [–]Beetle559 16 points17 points  (3 children)

              Keep Bitcoin Weird.

              [–]geekygirl23 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              I don't think there will be any trouble there, lol.

              [–]drcross 6 points7 points  (8 children)

              It's not a nonsensical PM, cyber squatting is a big consideration for people who have a reputation or online identity that defines them.

              [–]geekygirl23 1 point2 points  (7 children)

              I'm mostly referring to the last exchange but cyber squatting your name on a forum is a non issue. You go to the forum, explain, prove who you are and they will usually help you out. If not a court order takes care of it.

              Having a multi message discussion with a psycho person while assuming the identity of all of the people they think you are is not "normal". Going to such lengths to have that discussion makes it even worse. If not deleting the best case scenario for that would have been to send the last message as a response to the first one received.

              Anyhow, I honestly don't care but it is in fact "weird".

              [–]drcross 8 points9 points  (5 children)

              Weird is a subjective term. I prefer not to castigate people by some sort of arbitrary label driven by some section of society. Gwern is principled which, to me, is the greatest attribute someone can have.

              [–]witchspace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              100% agree. If you ignore people's points just because they are 'weird' you miss a lot.

              In a way you're always behind because what society sees as 'normal' acts as a very slow filter.

              You'd have missed Bitcoin too, new ideas seem so weird initially, even good ideas.

              Having said that, I wouldn't have replied to this particular blackmail message either.

              [–]eof 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              There is no way to consider gwern normal; I mean.. maybe he looks normal and speaks normal, but.. I mean.. look at his website. He is no more normal than any reclusivish genius.

              His writing would not be nearly as interesting if he were 'normal'. I would agree that it is 'weird'; but in a way that makes me smile.

              [–]gdoteof_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Gwen was weird before bitcoin.. Awesome.. But weird. I love reading his stuff and it comes out at such a voracious rate I can't keep up

              [–]cyclicamp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You sound like you might not like /r/creepyPMs

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Exactly, this would get deleted so fast from my mailbox.

              Bye, unread.

              [–]hugolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Its normal that people that adopt or are drawn to such a new concept have inquiring minds, isnt it?

              The interests of intelligent and curious people can seem weird to others, but its not so strange such behaviour from early adopters.

              [–]davidshares 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Amazing read! Thanks for posting. Now I know why Satoshi wants to remain anonymous. He probably would have every crazy in the world trying to get at his riches.

              [–]theinfiniteidea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              And the trolled troll trolls....

              [–]hiver 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              This just made me want to communicate with pgp, but I don't really have anything to say to anyone that uses it. Gwern, can I accuse you if being Obama, Bush (Jr & Sr) and the homeless guy by my bus stop for a bit?

              [–]gwern[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Sure - but only if you fs@$cking indent each line by 4 spaces so I don't have to fix your PGP message by hand to decrypt it!

              [–]dawnsedge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              this was thrilling. a digital alexandre dumas.

              [–]kalamiti 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Satoshi 'Gwern' Nakamoto

              It all makes sense now, the pieces are all falling into place. I'm bad at blackmailing, can you give me any advice gwern?

              [–]gus_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Do your math and follow the trail of statistics

              [–]Isoneguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I can confirm this as I am satoshi nakamoto.

              [–]etherael 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              His ranting reminds me of the losethos guy.

              [–]catcradle5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              That's because they both suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.

              (Losethos/Temple OS says that he has it, and the included text sounds very much like the writings of a schizophrenic.)

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Lol, who is this guy?

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                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                ..oh...

                [–]nekodojo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                dude, everyone knows Satoshi is an AI

                [–]Beetle559 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                It was aliens, they restrict themselves from interacting with primitive and barbaric civilizations but they're actually rooting for us. They gave us bitcoin to help show humanity that less control results in better outcomes.

                Thanks aliens.

                [–]jcoinner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                There's a star-man waiting in the sky. He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5zmDz4vR4

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Wow, I am getting old.

                If I got mail like that, I would be like "TL;DR"

                [–]imahotdoglol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Subject: RE: i know who you r, give me money

                Message: lol

                [–]Anenome5 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Interesting read and look into the mind of madness.

                I think his "reverse dox" was to bluster at likely suspects--really anyone and everyone famous in the bitcoin world--and blackmail them for money.

                Actually leading him on or paying would be a proof that the individual had something to feel guilty about. He probably thought that was a genius plan.

                [–]gwern[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                I think his "reverse dox" was to bluster at likely suspects--really anyone and everyone famous in the bitcoin world--and blackmail them for money.

                I don't think so. His messages were just for me, and no one else has come forward mentioning similar attempts; for example, Gavin didn't mention running into Jack before despite Gavin being an obvious person to bluster at.

                [–]Anenome5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Well it sounds like you were the first target--he couldn't even get the PGP right. Perhaps after you he gave up? Dunno :\

                I felt scared for you a bit, your gambit of encouraging him to think he was right to get an answer for why he thinks you're satoshi could've backfired if he actually believed it.

                But I don't think he did. Maybe he had some mix of suspicion, evidence, and bluster :P

                [–]phooon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                This was a very interesting read. Is it at all possible that 'JACK0FNONE' was referring to Satoshi Nakamoto as a collective group (as has been theorized many times before) and that the various names he claims to be 'you' are in fact members of the collective. It would be expected that the founding members of Bitcoin would be closely monitoring, using and most likely being high profile members of the Bitcoin community; creating services (such as ZipZap, hitman services, various drug markets etc) to help push adaption. I truly believe that 'JACK0FNONE', despite very possibly having mental problems of some kind, is very knowledgeable and I would love to speak with him.

                [–]gwern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I would love to speak with him.

                I don't advise that, but his contact info (such as it is) is provided in his messages...

                [–]CrystalFissure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Now that was an interesting read.

                [–]mculp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                man, as I was reading it, I was thinking -- "this guy's either schizophrenic or severely abusing meth" -- and it looks like you also came to the same conclusion, mentioning schizophrenia and meth in your final letter.

                [–]nullc -2 points-1 points  (29 children)

                I sense no small irony in Gwern whining about being accused of being Satoshi while at the same time he's been stalking around IRC accusing people of being Satoshi himself.

                [–]gwern[S] 16 points17 points  (27 children)

                That's a deeply uncharitable description of my IRC comments. I muse about the topic and describe my current guesses or findings; I do not go public on YouTube and bloviate in a long video about who I think Satoshi, nor do I send anyone threatening emails trying to extort them.

                Further, I am researching it correctly. This puts me in the odd situation of often debunking other people claiming to have found Satoshi - for example, that incredibly shitty recent 'stylometrics' analysis claiming Szabo is Satoshi.

                [–]nullc 1 point2 points  (26 children)

                I've seen you accuse people of being Satoshi. You claim you goal is "correctness", but the behavior I've observed would better be characterized as irresponsible and perhaps more than a little creepy.

                I think objective itself is somewhat suspect— correctness in what? Stalking? You've observed first hand that harm can come to people when even the most non-sensible beliefs arise.

                Every person you might falsely accuse cannot afford the cost of security your accusations may result in requiring. At least thus far your theories have been so unbelievable that I don't really expect anyone to be endangered by them. But what do you hope to contribute to the world from this endeavor? Identifying Satoshi wouldn't grant any insight into Bitcoin— by it's nature we must judge it by what it is, because its creator inherently doesn't control it— any revelation here is likely to only diminish people's wiliness to look critically on the system itself instead of who created it and may bring about tremendous personal harm.

                I think you're skilled enough to gain traffic to your site in a less exploitative way.

                [–]gwern[S] 15 points16 points  (13 children)

                I've seen you accuse people of being Satoshi.

                No. You've seen me discuss candidates for Satoshi, you've seen me discuss their strong and weak points, you've seen me change my mind, you've seen me discuss why popular candidates don't work or why widely-read analyses are fatally flawed.

                You have never seen me say 'X is Satoshi' on IRC or anywhere else, much less in public on the WWW like on Reddit, and you never will until the unlikely scenario where I decide I have reached at least >50% confidence (which I don't ever expect to reach because Satoshi has done a pretty good job).

                but the behavior I've observed would better be characterized as irresponsible and perhaps more than a little creepy.

                What has been irresponsible about my behavior? Have I posted my notes publicly? Have I spoken at length except to defend people against being Satoshi? Whom have I harmed? My best results I have never described even in IRC because I actually do have a sense of responsibility.

                Your goal itself is somewhat suspect— correctness in what?

                In discovering who Satoshi is, obviously. And suspect? Well, quite aside from its intellectual interest, it is a finding which would help bring stability to the Bitcoin economy and emphasize to the whole world that privacy is really important because anonymity is highly limited & breakable for even the most competent and motivated person. (Particularly relevant during the current NSA scandal.)

                Every person you might falsely accuse cannot afford the cost of security your accusations may result in requiring.

                Whom have I ever falsely accused?

                I think you're skilled enough to gain traffic to your site in a less exploitative way.

                Is that your equivalent of 'stay classy, gwern'? I didn't write this for the traffic, I wrote it because it was interesting to me; I fully expected it to sink like a stone like most of what I write.


                And may I point out that you seem bound and determined to discuss anything but whether your original comment - and the copy over on HN which you posted without any mention of my reply here - was a fair description of my comments on IRC.

                Shouldn't you be posting quotes where I send 'Satoshi' extortion notes or cackle over my tipoff to the New Yorker, if my complaints are so 'ironic'?

                [–]nullc -4 points-3 points  (12 children)

                and the copy over on HN which you posted without any mention of my reply here

                Posted on HN, prior to your response here, and to which I added a hyper-link to the discussion here within a minute of seeing your response and prior to this accusation.

                And may I point out that you seem bound and determined to discuss anything but whether your original comment

                What of it? You've been going around with theories of Satoshi— saying this person or that. Even claiming to have concrete evidence with Moriarty grade precision-pretension "so we can finally rule out claims of his death and knock that theory down from .1% to ~0% probability". I think this kind of sleuthing is creepy-stalker-ish and that you've been careless— because your claims are being forwarded around.

                If you don't see why I find it ironic that you complain about someone privately accusing you of being Satoshi while you actively seek to do so to others (and potentially enable nutball attacks far, far worse) then I can only guess that you are sorely lacking in perspective.

                I work with cryptographers who have been accused of being Satoshi and consider them my friends. The accusations are harmful, they make them— with cause— fear for their own safety and that of their families.

                emphasize to the whole world that privacy is really important because anonymity is highly limited & breakable for even the most competent and motivated person

                I wasn't aware that you were one of the people with the sort of misshapen ethics that admit arguments like "if it can be broken, it's morally right to do so".

                help bring stability to the Bitcoin economy

                I can't help but wonder if you've been taking lessons in rational argument from your blackmailing caller.

                intellectual interest

                Perhaps— just as some might have an intellectual interest in your preference in pornography and the intellectual challenge of compromising your privacy measures in order to discover them... I don't think such curiosity outweighs the risk of harm to others.

                One might wonder why you'd need "hash pre-commitment to secure priority" as part of the satisfaction of an intellectual interest.

                [–]gwern[S] 11 points12 points  (11 children)

                Posted on HN, prior to your response here, and to which I added a hyper-link to the discussion here within a minute of seeing your response and prior to this accusation.

                Really, because the time stamps I saw showed that I replied on Reddit an hour or so before your HN copy.

                What of it? You've been going around with theories of Satoshi— saying this person or that.

                Please note the vast difference between your initial accusations of hypocrisy and claiming that I was specifically accusing people of definitely being Satoshi, and your new vague formulation. Well, certainly if one discusses how well particular persons fit, one is discussing 'theories of Satoshi', whatever that means...

                Even claiming to have concrete evidence with Moriarty grade precision-pretension "so we can finally rule out claims of his death and knock that theory down from .1% to ~0% probability".

                The .1% estimate was based on actuarial estimates of mortality for males in the relevant age brackets, and I stand by it, as I do the additional evidence.

                If you don't see why I find it ironic that you complain about someone privately accusing you of being Satoshi while you actively seek to do so to others

                Note that Jack was not just accusing me privately, but threatening to go public, and also extorting me and intimating physical harm to Gavin Andresen and his family. Somehow, I fail to see the parallels.

                I wasn't aware that you were one of the people with the sort of misshapen ethics that admit arguments like "if it can be broken, it's morally right to do so".

                Are you trying to argue that the Bitcoin economy is more stable the longer that Satoshi remains a complete and utter cipher of unknown wealth, intentions, and security? I would be fascinated to see a more elaborated explanation of why Satoshi's anonymity is actually a good thing for the Bitcoin economy.

                One might wonder why you'd need "hash pre-commitment to secure priority" as part of the satisfaction of an intellectual interest.

                It's possible to walk and chew bubble gum, and to desire more than one thing. It's great to get credit, and it's great to satisfy intellectual interest - but it's even greater to both satisfy intellectual interest and get some credit. Greater minds than myself, like Hooke and Newton, used anagrams to secure priority even as they satisfied their own curiosity. I don't see why you are so baffled.


                And again, I note the lack of quotes from IRC showing how I am so totally hypocritical, self-centered, irresponsible, and a bad egg all around.

                [–]nullc -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

                Please note the vast difference between your initial accusations of hypocrisy and claiming that I was specifically accusing people of definitely being Satoshi,

                Whoa there. I didn't respond naming names only because I am not interested in furthering your rubbish claims, not because I was in any way attempting to diminish or re-frame my disapproval.

                I still consider it hypocritical— but I've also never been one to care too much about hypocricy— I hope, instead, your experience here informs your future actions and you consider what harm you might create for others.

                Really, because the time stamps I saw showed that I replied on Reddit an hour or so before your HN copy.

                At the moment both messages show "one hour" for me. Additionally, my response on HN pointing to this discussion shows 54 minutes ago when your response complaining "without any mention of my reply here" shows 34 minutes ago.

                From my perspective your response feels like procedural adhomenim. I don't really feel that I have any reason to continue that kind of argument. I, personally, believe your behavior on this subject has been irresponsible— ironically so in light of the harassment you've received. Feel free to disagree, but others who share my perspective will not be assisting you.

                [–]gwern[S] 8 points9 points  (9 children)

                Whoa there. I didn't respond naming names only because I am not interested in furthering your rubbish claims, not because I was in any way attempting to diminish or re-frame my disapproval.

                Oh come on, seriously? That is your reply?

                I hope, instead, your experience here informs your future actions and you consider what harm you might create for others.

                I'm afraid your refusal to justify your claims means that I am learning even less here than when backopy raged against my blackmarket essay for criticizing his BMR's shitty insecure code - a week after BMR was hacked.

                [–]nullc -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

                I'm afraid your refusal to justify your claims

                What do you think I need to justify? Do you want a polygraph test attesting to my opinion that you're being creepy and that I felt— perhaps— a little schadenfreude that you also got Satoshi-stalked not so long after I was complaining (to others) that I thought you were being irresponsible?

                means that I am learning even less here

                By "here" I was referring to you getting harassed by the nutbag.

                You seem to be completely impervious to the concern I'm expressing— that your stalking activities may bring similar and far worse down on others. Oh well.

                [–]gwern[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                What do you think I need to justify?

                Your claims about me being irresponsible and accusing people of being Satoshi on IRC, for starters.

                Do you want a polygraph test attesting to my opinion

                Your opinion? No, I can't say I care about that... IRC quotes would suffice, no need for polygraphs.

                You seem to be completely impervious to the concern I'm expressing— that your stalking activities may bring similar and far worse down on others.

                I disagree, because I am not an insane incompetent nutbag.

                [–]Eldakara 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                Thanks for this back and forth. Your constant dodging of providing proof of your claims plus your unwarranted demeanor has been most amusing.

                [–]Lieutenant_Hawkeye 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                God I hate people who write things off as creepy, it's such a useless shitty term that says so little

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                  [–]Lieutenant_Hawkeye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Whining?

                  [–]lazyplayboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Very little of that makes any sense, replies included. I think you need to unplug.

                  [–]asymmetric_bet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  An attention whore moron isn't Satoshi by definition.

                  [–]ufaild -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                  So Satoshi's last name is Gwern? Creative parents these days.