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[–]waxwing 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Are you using multisig for escrow?

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    We are superior, we have put a lot more time into development, we are better organized and we force PGP on every message on the road. I am not trying to pitch anything to anyone, all I want is for people to remember us once all the others scam or crash, everyone already had their share of disastrous bugs, we had none.

    [–]fried_dough 6 points7 points  (10 children)

    Though I'm not a darknet customer, I have a question: Why should your users trust your service? Many of your peers have allegedly closed up and run off with funds. Are you bringing something new to the table?

    [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

    We bring a lot of new things to the table, there is however no viable alternative to us holding all the account balances. Until some kind of decentralized marketplace comes along my best advice to buyers is deposit a little over the cost of the product(s) that you want to purchase and never use any marketplace for storing wealth.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    there is however no viable alternative to us holding all the account balances

    What is it about what /r/themarketplace is doing that you find not viable?

    [–]Metagen -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

    reddit is not exactly decentralized

    [–]gwern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Milliez was clearly referring to The MarketPlace, the i2p black-market which has been pioneering use of multisig, and linking to the subreddit as more informative than a useless address like themarketplace.i2p.

    [–]bitscavenger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Look into Open Transactions. It is next gen tools for Crypto-currencies.

    [–]waxwing 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    no viable alternative to us holding all the account balances.

    Why not? If you used multisig transactions there would be no need for you ever to have spending power over the funds being used for trade.

    [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

    I guess we think that the benefits that we bring to the table by being centralized outweigh the additional taint and other cons provided by multisig, we want purchasing goods to be as easy as possible.

    [–]waxwing 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Hmm. The "benefits of being centralized"? Really?

    "As easy as possible" - multisig is trivial to implement and will have no impact on user experience in a normal buying situation. But then again I don't know the details of your model. Perhaps in your reference to taint you're saying that there needs to be mixing and multisig makes that more complex?

    In my opinion multisig will have to be implemented by such markets, anything where the central party holds spending power over funds is just never going to work long term.

    [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I am not going to get into the nitty gritty technical details, if you are so sure in its success implement it in your own market, we will have no choice but to follow along with the rest.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Are you a junkie?

    [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Our line of work prevents us from enjoying the luxury of using illegal substances, even ones that are widespread in use such as marijuana. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

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    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Thanks. Are you scared? Eventually you are going to can end up like DPR.

    [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I am not scared because I am not doing anything wrong, I am concerned for my future sure but who isn't?

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      if anyone has contacted him on PGP before, they can verify his identity with the signature without disclosing and real information.

      [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      There are 3 PGP keys that belong to GR, one for support, a global one and a single personal one for the original LordVoldemort.

      [–]infinite_iteration 4 points5 points  (6 children)

      How do you justify facilitating the trafficking of human organs (potentially)?

      If anything goes, then how do you justify the trafficking of human slaves, of child sex workers?

      [–]gwern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      How do you justify facilitating the trafficking of human organs (potentially)?

      How does the existing system justify the trafficking of human organs and parts?

      [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      I doubt that child sex slaves, gore, vore, CP or snuf films will ever make it to the categories. I am an anarcho-capitalist, such content would serve no higher purpose than to shock the average pot smoker looking to buy, it will be counter-productive in the long run. I am however pretty sure that explosives will make it, firearms will make it without a doubt.

      [–]infinite_iteration 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Why do you doubt that such things will make it to the categories? Is it because you make the categories and probably won't include them, or is it that you think there will be no demand from merchants and customers?

      Why do you say organs will likely be included (black market organs are usually obtained by violence, no?) but CP, snuf films etc. will not?

      Firearms and explosives don't belong in the etc. category for me because they are not necessarily going to hurt innocent people. Also I like explosions :|

      [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      If I see that there is a significant enough demand for anything that it is worth more than the potential amount of customers we will lose I will add it regardless of my morality, relevant statistics could be easily obtained with quick surveys.

      Anything you buy on a black market could potentially be obtained by violence, violent people tend to have self harming tendencies and don't last long in the business.

      [–]infinite_iteration 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Sure, the potential for buying violently obtained goods exists on a black market. I would say the same is true of above table markets- factory line managers may beat their workers, the diamond may be from slave mines, etc.

      I guess I just see a difference between something that may have been obtained with violence and something like snuf films or organs which are obtained only by violence.

      That aside, I think it's great you're providing this service. Thanks for answering my questions.

      [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Snuf films are not always obtained by violence let alone organs, some people agree to be killed/eaten on a voluntary basis, plenty of people sell organs.

      Just to be clear I am not pro or anti organ selling nor snuf films when it comes to the marketplace, I will list it regardless based on whether the public deems it appropriate and it making financial sense not because I am seeking to maximize profits but because I favor evolution.

      You're welcome, thank you too for asking them.

      [–]BrippingTalls 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      "We bring a lot of new things to the table"

      "I guess we think that the benefits that we bring to the table by being centralized outweigh the additional taint and other cons provided by multisig"

      "We are superior, we have put a lot more time into development, we are better organized"

      "JS is enabled"

      "The emphasis so far has been on security, I would love to tell you all the details but that would defeat the purpose"

      "I don't really like chatting with junkies/degenerates"

      Scammy wammy wammers...

      [–]thieflar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      My thoughts exactly. My Bitcoin is avoiding this place like the plague.

      [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

      [–]hiver 2 points3 points  (7 children)

      I want a reason to use TOR. I don't want to use a site that runs a high risk of getting shut down. Have you considered a second, moderated market place?

      [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      It is moderated, we will step in and resolve any problems should they occur, we also have categories that change according to the needs of the public so you can't post something if the public doesn't demand it.

      I guess you meant a second marketplace which specializes more in soft narcotics rather than other highly illegal goods? No we haven't considered a second one however I encourage others to open one independently if they are up for it knowledge wise.

      [–]hiver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I was about thinking a step further. Let me buy office supplies and snacks anonymously. Keep controlled substances and weapons off it entirely.

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        [–]gwern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Tor is really not designed for securely running hidden sites -- that's why they keep getting busted.

        That has not been established for any black-market yet.

        [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        What leads to tor hidden services getting popped isn't the tor network, it's the nature of men and their foolish ways. I have yet to see one marketplace go down because it's on the tor network, the achilles heel are the admins, not tor.

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          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          It's like wearing iron armor and considering upgrading to titanium while your crotch is fully exposed plus it would take more time for potential buyers to reach our marketplace over i2p so it just seems like an unneeded hassle, at least until we see other marketplaces go down due to tor.

          [–]Haviq 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Why did you kill Harrys parents?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          They laughed at my nose...

          [–]cryptodreams 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          You said you bring new things to the table. What new things, specifically?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          PGP is forced client side if JS is enabled (which we don't recommend to enable but take advantage of in case it is), if not then we encrypt the message as soon as it reaches us server side, this is done by default so no plaintext messages are ever stored. It is still flawed in a sense that we could potentially be compromised or get compromised along the way and begin storing plaintext copies however it's a step forward regardless.

          We also have very open forums and no undercover annoying admins that contradict themselves with every post, our whole approach is different.

          The emphasis so far has been on security, I would love to tell you all the details but that would defeat the purpose :)

          [–]Roadside-Strelok 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Security through obscurity, then?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Not only that, once the snowball is going I will disappear into the void, you will not hear from me neither on the forums or in the media.

          [–]GreenHairyMartian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Just so you know, the term "security through obscurity" generally has a negative connotation.

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If you want you can try different exploits as a user with standard privileges, our admins try different exploits every day with raised privileges, how can you possibly get any less obscure than that without undermining our efforts?

          Should we give you the details such as what firewall/OS/webserver we're running? You guys are hilarious.

          [–]Sportin40s 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Why does your market have nothing to buy on it?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          It has a couple of items, items are scarce the same way they were in the early days of SR 1.0

          [–]bluelightzero 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          If I buy your organs, do you just grow them back?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          No I just give up on the morning twinkies and cheerios.

          [–]aeroFurious 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          What are the vendor fees if there are any? If yes, will it be enough to stop scamming?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Fees are hedged against USD and adjust automatically according to number of sellers, we review sellers carefully and ban ones that seem to cause trouble. Paying legal fees for troubled buyers would also be pretty amazing if implemented correctly.

          [–]avatarname 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I wanted to ask you when will you deal with that kid HarryPotter19 that taunted you on the forums. Surely you can hire a hitman in Darknet to deal with that annoying brat once and for all

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Rather show his mom my magic stick, seems like a much more humane and elegant solution.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Are you a cop? Because if there is one thing I know from movies, you have to tell me.

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If I was a cop the marketplace would be called DonutRoad and we would all be morbidly obese

          [–]grthrowaway2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          So if your site is so damn great, why can no one register as a vendor, and why do PMs and questions on your forums go unanswered?

          Looks like you had a great idea, then just quit and let the site rot.

          [–]I_Downvote_Memorials 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Are you the same LordVoldemort who has spent 5 years on Reddit devoted solely to arguing against circumcision?

          [–]LordVoldemortGR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yes, I have the foreskin of a moose.