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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Scot Walker on September 06, 2013, 06:06 pm
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A USA buyer was recently busted for ordering MDMA from a Berlin, Germany vendor. Package was seized by the Department of Homeland Security, and one of the offenders admitted that his friend bought the drugs on SR.
Clearnet link:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130906/GPG1008/309060102/Two-men-charged-delivery-designer-drug
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They prolly incriminated themselves soon as they saw flashing lights...
Learn to play Mr. IDKMAN
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Idiots... admit nothing.. claim ignorance.
The guy at the drop address totally fucked his ass.
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...and one of the offenders admitted that his friend bought the drugs on SR.
Face, meet palm.
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one of the offenders admitted that his friend bought the drugs on SR.
friend
And this is how you find out, the hard way, who is a friend and who is a complete fucking idiot.
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Some fold under questioning....some don't even say no comment, just zero zilch.....
I don't see the SR reference...It may have been the enemy!
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damn, that Savoie character must not have too much going on upstairs...either that or he was given a pretty fucking sweet deal to roll on his buddy. my hunch is the latter. no one talks to the cops THAT much. shit, he gave every detail...just what the cops needed to nail his buddy. turns out he wasn't much of a friend after all. looking out for number 1...whereas if they had both just stfu, the DA would have had a MUCH harder time making the case stick.
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so if the Berlin guy would of marked it as 'cane sugar' it would of had a better shot than obviously not trading cards.. hell gut an etch-a-sketch or something... give some effort
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I used to say that silence is golden, now I say silence is BTC
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Some fold under questioning....some don't even say no comment, just zero zilch.....
I don't see the SR reference...It may have been the enemy!
RTFA / click through to Page 2 :)
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Good lord, what a way to spill the beans! That guy told the cops all kinds of details, completely unrelated to the packge currently being delivered. How dumb can you get? Learn to keep your mouth shut, people!
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What an absolute dumbfuck. Admit nothing. Don't even speak to them. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X When I got nicked in my younger days I used to just fold my arms and lay my head down on the interview table until they gave up asking. If your going to say anything then you get a solicitor in to tell you what to say. This is 101 stuff! Bet he isn't his friend anymore though.
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Savoie is a big time jock. He helps coach for several high school sports. He's the kinda guy you'd never expect to be involved in drugs. My guess is they told him to talk, and he would get some kind of sweet deal, or that his part would be kept quiet. My guess is he started singing before the detective even had the interrogation room door closed!
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As the wolf pack folds!
There are definitely advantages in being the lone wolf!
There are too many people without the ability to keep their mouth shut!
NCK
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As the wolf pack folds!
There are definitely advantages in being the lone wolf!
There are too many people without the ability to keep their mouth shut!
NCK
I heard one vendor talking about having to find help. What the hell do you even do? Post a craigslist ad? I would be afraid of being blackmailed.
Paul frank....That name sounds so fucking familiar. Anyone know who the vendor in question was?
I always wonder why these people never come back and post about it. I really really really wonder how many people are arrested because of SR, and it's never reported by media.
the MDMA would have had a value of $20,00
Get the fuck out of here. No, seriously, get the fuck out.
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As the wolf pack folds!
There are definitely advantages in being the lone wolf!
There are too many people without the ability to keep their mouth shut!
NCK
THIS!
NEVER trust anybody and don't endanger yourself and us all by running your mouth to friends about where you get your stuff.
Do not give anybody else the chance to fuck up ,they WILL and they will burn you good.Not even a matter of being smart.
People will crack fast ,ESPECIALLY if it is the first time they have to deal with LE and they don't have an ounce of streetsmart in them.
They soon revert to a childlike-state,fessing up to mummy and daddy in the hopes they will get their forgiveness and aproval for being such a good boy/girl ,spilling the beans after they've been naughty.
Sort your own shit out,don't count on others!
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Paul [F]rank....That name sounds so fucking familiar. Anyone know who the vendor in question was?
Glad (wait, no, quite the opposite) to hear I'm not the only one.
That name sounded familiar to me too, when I first read it.
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Paul [F]rank....That name sounds so fucking familiar. Anyone know who the vendor in question was?
Glad (wait, no, quite the opposite) to hear I'm not the only one.
That name sounded familiar to me too, when I first read it.
Paul Frank is that brand with that monkey with the giant mouth. That's probably why it sounds familiar
http://www.paulfrank.com/
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Sounds like he signed for it. I will never sign for anything I get off here. If they bring it to my door I'll say "I didn't order shit and I have no idea what that is." Plead ignorance.
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damn, that Savoie character must not have too much going on upstairs...either that or he was given a pretty fucking sweet deal to roll on his buddy. my hunch is the latter.
Your hunch is wrong. There was no deal at that point. LE only had Savoie's name and address. They didn't know anything else. They couldn't have. Not without a warrant or a good search first which they didn't have and didn't do. He must've folded almost immediately. Cops must've got right in his face then told him some story about how they'd go easy on him if he was working with anyone else and gave them up. Yeah. Now he'll get an easy 10-20 years in the big house :o
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I...WANT...A...LAWYER
What is so hard about saying that?
Fucking amateurs. SR needs a "Punk Ass Bitch" filter.
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As the wolf pack folds!
There are definitely advantages in being the lone wolf!
There are too many people without the ability to keep their mouth shut!
NCK
I heard one vendor talking about having to find help. What the hell do you even do? Post a craigslist ad? I would be afraid of being blackmailed.
Paul frank....That name sounds so fucking familiar. Anyone know who the vendor in question was?
I always wonder why these people never come back and post about it. I really really really wonder how many people are arrested because of SR, and it's never reported by media.
the MDMA would have had a value of $20,00
Get the fuck out of here. No, seriously, get the fuck out.
The vendor in question doesn't even know himself !! They make them hand over the account to be monitored, that's part of the bargain. that's why he aint been to post about it.
When this canary started singing he let us all down.
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Order domestically.. pay more and skip customs. It simply is not worth the extra risk to save $$
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damn, what a shame.
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Moral of story, order domestically.
... Also don't be a dumbfuck and do 20 years in prison because you opened your mouth. They would have had NO case had he said "I exercise my right to remain silent". Those words would have saved him 20 years of his life.
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Moral of story, order domestically.
... Also don't be a dumbfuck and do 20 years in prison because you opened your mouth. They would have had NO case had he said "I exercise my right to remain silent". Those words would have saved him 20 years of his life.
It's seriously worth bumping the thread again just to illustrate how important this is. And if you haven't watched the youtube video of the lawyer and cop giving a law school presentation on why you NEVER TALK TO COPS, you really should watch it. I learned a thing or two, for example -- and they're good at getting you to talk. Really good at it. You want to have as much incentive in the back of your head telling you to stay quiet as you can get when push comes to shove.
Just watch the video, I don't have a link but he's a really amusing speaker and you won't regret the time spent on it. Might even save you 20 years of time... :)
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And if you haven't watched the youtube video of the lawyer and cop giving a law school presentation on why you NEVER TALK TO COPS, you really should watch it. I learned a thing or two, for example -- and they're good at getting you to talk. Really good at it. You want to have as much incentive in the back of your head telling you to stay quiet as you can get when push comes to shove.
Just watch the video, I don't have a link but he's a really amusing speaker and you won't regret the time spent on it. Might even save you 20 years of time... :)
That video has been part of my YouTube favorite list for years now. I love how they take someone truly innocent saying truly innocent things and turn it all around on them to make them guilty as hell. DON'T EVER SAY A FUCKING WORD.
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damn, that Savoie character must not have too much going on upstairs...either that or he was given a pretty fucking sweet deal to roll on his buddy. my hunch is the latter.
Your hunch is wrong. There was no deal at that point. LE only had Savoie's name and address. They didn't know anything else. They couldn't have. Not without a warrant or a good search first which they didn't have and didn't do. He must've folded almost immediately. Cops must've got right in his face then told him some story about how they'd go easy on him if he was working with anyone else and gave them up. Yeah. Now he'll get an easy 10-20 years in the big house :o
Man, some people really fall to pieces under pressure! :D Instead of clamming up and waiting for a lawyer, he went full retard and confessed to everything including felonies he wasn't even suspected of. :P
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seriously, just dive into emo depression mode if it gets too heated
but stay calm and surprised as long as that works first
or if you are a total sketchface....BOLT!!!
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Instead of clamming up and waiting for a lawyer, he went full retard
Yeah you can't ever go full retard. If he would have Forrest Gumped it and played stupid or Rain Maned it and acted aloof he would have been fine. But instead he Jack Strawed it and spiled his soul. ONLY GO HALF RETARD PEOPLE! Everyone knows this!
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never 2 careful !
never
n let someone else speak 4 u always
a professional --
In my local situation if i said anything n did what they wanted I would b in jail for 20 plus ---- -- - -- instead ofd free n clean with my family as it should b
plz b careful --
its not your job to work with LE
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Thanks for this post very interesting read. Its sad that we even have such insane drug laws and these 2 people will probably face very stiff sentences. With that being said for years I have thought about the fact that the drug game is very sloppy. Greed is the primary reason why the drug game today is so sloppy. I mean we all know people that are dealers that shouldnt even have access to drugs. Greedy suppliers are hooking up people that are not smart or at least dont try to be smart when they are dealing. Dealing is a dangerous job and the only people that belong dealing are people that are strategic planners that think about the future and do everything possible to stay low key and under the radar.
But more and more dealers are in the game for fame. Alot of dealers I know have been busted because they do the craziest things all in the name of fame. Like guys that are meeting girls in bars then bragging to them how they just paid for a new caddy in cash and they dont work they just hustle drugs all day. Or guys that are out there on facebook and what not with pictures of thier stash, i mean come on.
I tried my hand a dealing years ago but I stopped before things got out of hand. I went in the game with the mindset that I had to do things as smart as possible and above all avoid attention, never seek out fame, just fly under the radar make the money and let the police deal with guys that are "making it rain" at the strip clubs or having wild parties. But I learned fast that the game was messy. I was never greedy, I used to screen out my customers and I probably turned down as many people as I served. I was definitely paranoid and I never gave anything from anyone that I thought would work with the police if they got busted. I never hooked up the show offs, if you meet me in a car with 24 inch rims and chameleon paint I may say nice paint job or complement the rims.......but without a doubt I will say that I dont have anything, and that would always be my answer. These people that are loud and like attention are the ones that the police like to catch the best. These types of people do things that makes for an easy case. The sad part was I kept seeing so many dam people that were selling that cared so much about being famous and making a name for themselves or impressing girls that they would probably meet a good looking girl and sell her shit right in front of the police station.
I watched as my connection, a smart guy himself that was doing dam good, got greedy and kept expanding he kept dealing with new people and kept helping idiots connect and I just figured its time for me to distance myself. Its not a good idea for me to do business with people that are so loud but it seems like not many other people think like me. The game is fucked up today and I would rather just bust my ass for my money and do whatever I do and stay far away from the game.
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mulder said it best, trust no one.
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Thanks for this post very interesting read. Its sad that we even have such insane drug laws and these 2 people will probably face very stiff sentences. With that being said for years I have thought about the fact that the drug game is very sloppy. Greed is the primary reason why the drug game today is so sloppy. I mean we all know people that are dealers that shouldnt even have access to drugs. Greedy suppliers are hooking up people that are not smart or at least dont try to be smart when they are dealing. Dealing is a dangerous job and the only people that belong dealing are people that are strategic planners that think about the future and do everything possible to stay low key and under the radar.
But more and more dealers are in the game for fame. Alot of dealers I know have been busted because they do the craziest things all in the name of fame. Like guys that are meeting girls in bars then bragging to them how they just paid for a new caddy in cash and they dont work they just hustle drugs all day. Or guys that are out there on facebook and what not with pictures of thier stash, i mean come on.
I tried my hand a dealing years ago but I stopped before things got out of hand. I went in the game with the mindset that I had to do things as smart as possible and above all avoid attention, never seek out fame, just fly under the radar make the money and let the police deal with guys that are "making it rain" at the strip clubs or having wild parties. But I learned fast that the game was messy. I was never greedy, I used to screen out my customers and I probably turned down as many people as I served. I was definitely paranoid and I never gave anything from anyone that I thought would work with the police if they got busted. I never hooked up the show offs, if you meet me in a car with 24 inch rims and chameleon paint I may say nice paint job or complement the rims.......but without a doubt I will say that I dont have anything, and that would always be my answer. These people that are loud and like attention are the ones that the police like to catch the best. These types of people do things that makes for an easy case. The sad part was I kept seeing so many dam people that were selling that cared so much about being famous and making a name for themselves or impressing girls that they would probably meet a good looking girl and sell her shit right in front of the police station.
I watched as my connection, a smart guy himself that was doing dam good, got greedy and kept expanding he kept dealing with new people and kept helping idiots connect and I just figured its time for me to distance myself. Its not a good idea for me to do business with people that are so loud but it seems like not many other people think like me. The game is fucked up today and I would rather just bust my ass for my money and do whatever I do and stay far away from the game.
Exactly. 100%. +Karma
It's all about learning to hide in plain sight. You should carry yourself such that law enforcement would have 2nd and 3rd thoughts about it possibly being you.
Don't be low hanging fruit. And know the law and your rights. That's how you know your limits.
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that's the grand game though, a big catch-22
if it wasn't for the wild times & the crazies acting out it wouldn't have the allure that keeps bringing more to the fire
if you want to stay in the game for the long haul, you have to take all the impulsive fun out of it
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mulder said it best, trust no one.
+1
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That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard. Who would send drugs in the mail. No one would pay money before getting a product from a criminal and no dealer would send drugs in the mail cuz no one would end up paying! I call total BS on that story.
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a smart person that deals told me-"stay away from friends of friends". Man he is right too. As in you trust your friend so a friend of a friend.... get your ass in trouble 9 out of 10.
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am i being detained or am i free to go? lol
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That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard. Who would send drugs in the mail. No one would pay money before getting a product from a criminal and no dealer would send drugs in the mail cuz no one would end up paying! I call total BS on that story.
I tried to +Karma you several times just now.
a smart person that deals told me-"stay away from friends of friends". Man he is right too. As in you trust your friend so a friend of a friend.... get your ass in trouble 9 out of 10.
I also tried to +Karma you several times just now.
Only work with people you know won't get busted, either themselves or you.
And then don't get busted.
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+1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1p3K3sC1Ec
Clearnet: Don't Talk to Police - YouTube
Def required viewing for all roaders!!!
The video is entitled, "Don't talk to the Police" a clearnet search on google or youtube will find it as the first hit. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO USES THE ROAD SHOULD WATCH THIS MULTIPLE TIMES!!!
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I am pretty sure the cards declaration was vendor Afterhour
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I am pretty sure the cards declaration was vendor Afterhour
Wow. Hasn't AH been gone for like.. several weeks now? I'd have been shitting cinder blocks if I'd ordered from AH, watched him get rolled up, and then magically had my order appear special delivery via Johnny Mailman a number of weeks late..
But that's just me..
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Maybe it's a brand logo for a drug cartel. Like that cartoon monkey on super troopers.
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I am pretty sure the cards declaration was vendor Afterhour
Wow. Hasn't AH been gone for like.. several weeks now? I'd have been shitting cinder blocks if I'd ordered from AH, watched him get rolled up, and then magically had my order appear special delivery via Johnny Mailman a number of weeks late..
But that's just me..
The actual bust took place July 11, so the time frame would be about right. There's actually way more to this story that's being talked about locally than was charged by the authorities, and reported in the news. Makes me wonder!
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Every God-forsaken day.
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As the wolf pack folds!
There are definitely advantages in being the lone wolf!
There are too many people without the ability to keep their mouth shut!
NCK
I heard one vendor talking about having to find help. What the hell do you even do? Post a craigslist ad? I would be afraid of being blackmailed.
Paul frank....That name sounds so fucking familiar. Anyone know who the vendor in question was?
I always wonder why these people never come back and post about it. I really really really wonder how many people are arrested because of SR, and it's never reported by media.
That there is the biggest fucking obstacle to overcome for vendors I think. How the fuck do you grow a business when its not even supposed to exist. Id pay so much BTC for an internal job board in this place lol with everyone pre-vetted and 100% not LE or informants, of stable mind and trustworthy. God that sounds like gold right now, being able to find decent workers.
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That's why I always order domestically, to risky to order over seas.
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Paul [F]rank....That name sounds so fucking familiar. Anyone know who the vendor in question was?
Glad (wait, no, quite the opposite) to hear I'm not the only one.
That name sounded familiar to me too, when I first read it.
Paul Frank is that brand with that monkey with the giant mouth. That's probably why it sounds familiar
http://www.paulfrank.com/
Aha, that's kind of funny. Sounds like it could very well be why the name sounded familiar to me.
Received order recently from Germany (repeat customer) and the parcel wasn't from "Paul Frank".
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I feel if a member must have an item from a foreign vendor (shipped to the states) it should never be ordered without using a mail forwarding service.
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Hell I could not believe that the guy gave it up so easily, I bet what happened was the police Cd's him, upon this happening they got right in his face, told him he had commited serious offences and was going to jail, asked him to tell them who else was involved otherwise he was facing the maximum sentence alone, gave him the old fashioned, would your friend do it for you? if it wasn't you then just tell us who it was, we will go easy on you for cooperating, if you dont we will hit you with the full maximum sentence we can.
Everyone is right here, If they had just said nothing, I find it hard to believe the police could have placed blame on them properly. Their case was and is built on the confessions of that young man.
Shocking, They should have said nothing. EVERYONE should know that. let them do their job and prove it. If they had a clean cut case they would not even bother asking you anything.
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I feel if a member must have an item from a foreign vendor (shipped to the states) it should never be ordered without using a mail forwarding service.
I don't understand this logic. Is using a mail forwarding service going to somehow magically hide the destination address? If FEDS conacted that mail forwarding service you think you're safe? I hardly think that's the solution. Some ppl like to think they're somehow magically safe when using a mail forwarders but you forget that it still has to clear customers whether or not a mail forwarder is used.
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I feel if a member must have an item from a foreign vendor (shipped to the states) it should never be ordered without using a mail forwarding service.
I don't understand this logic. Is using a mail forwarding service going to somehow magically hide the destination address? If FEDS conacted that mail forwarding service you think you're safe? I hardly think that's the solution. Some ppl like to think they're somehow magically safe when using a mail forwarders but you forget that it still has to clear customers whether or not a mail forwarder is used.
It would be easier to use an alternate address than a mailforwarding service or order domestic. It just keeps an extra layer between you and the sender. I didn't say this would somehow magically be safe. The forwarding address wouldn't even be known by the service until i tell them the address to forward the parcel to. If the package did get picked up at customs it wont have my name or address on it! Safe enough for me.
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Safe enough for me.
Careful!
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Hell I could not believe that the guy gave it up so easily, I bet what happened was the police Cd's him, upon this happening they got right in his face, told him he had commited serious offences and was going to jail, asked him to tell them who else was involved otherwise he was facing the maximum sentence alone, gave him the old fashioned, would your friend do it for you? if it wasn't you then just tell us who it was, we will go easy on you for cooperating, if you dont we will hit you with the full maximum sentence we can.
Everyone is right here, If they had just said nothing, I find it hard to believe the police could have placed blame on them properly. Their case was and is built on the confessions of that young man.
Shocking, They should have said nothing. EVERYONE should know that. let them do their job and prove it. If they had a clean cut case they would not even bother asking you anything.
These kids certainly did themselves no favors singing like Clay Aiken, but I can't help but take issue with the idea that they'd have been off scot free by simply shutting up.
Consider that this goes to jury trial. Who in the world will believe that two perfectly innocent little creampuff kids just so happened to get large quantities of drugs mailed to them by some conspiring perfect stranger? How often has this happened in the history of ever, in any alternate universe?
It's not about proving forensically that they placed the order, but rather that the delivery was ACCEPTED, along with any and all corroborating evidence gathered at the scene. If the authorities found absolutely nothing else, they may lose the case. If they find Tor? That's corroboration. Scales? Corroboration. Baggies, texts, and statements from friends? All terribly damaging corroboration. This is what sways jurors when they consider the evidence as a whole. There doesn't need to be a smoking gun. Everybody knows they did it, so getting even halfway close to actually proving it can be enough with the right jurors/judge.
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Hell I could not believe that the guy gave it up so easily, I bet what happened was the police Cd's him, upon this happening they got right in his face, told him he had commited serious offences and was going to jail, asked him to tell them who else was involved otherwise he was facing the maximum sentence alone, gave him the old fashioned, would your friend do it for you? if it wasn't you then just tell us who it was, we will go easy on you for cooperating, if you dont we will hit you with the full maximum sentence we can.
Everyone is right here, If they had just said nothing, I find it hard to believe the police could have placed blame on them properly. Their case was and is built on the confessions of that young man.
Shocking, They should have said nothing. EVERYONE should know that. let them do their job and prove it. If they had a clean cut case they would not even bother asking you anything.
These kids certainly did themselves no favors singing like Clay Aiken, but I can't help but take issue with the idea that they'd have been off scot free by simply shutting up.
Consider that this goes to jury trial. Who in the world will believe that two perfectly innocent little creampuff kids just so happened to get large quantities of drugs mailed to them by some conspiring perfect stranger? How often has this happened in the history of ever, in any alternate universe?
It's not about proving forensically that they placed the order, but rather that the delivery was ACCEPTED, along with any and all corroborating evidence gathered at the scene. If the authorities found absolutely nothing else, they may lose the case. If they find Tor? That's corroboration. Scales? Corroboration. Baggies, texts, and statements from friends? All terribly damaging corroboration. This is what sways jurors when they consider the evidence as a whole. There doesn't need to be a smoking gun. Everybody knows they did it, so getting even halfway close to actually proving it can be enough with the right jurors/judge.
I may have this completely wrong but if you had an alternative explanation (even a really shit one) as to why these things are in your possession, as long as they can't disprove what you have told them, it is then considered circumstancial evidence (I think thats what its called?) And I don't think they can base a prosecution on circumstancial evidence. Again this might be bollocks but it just came to mind while I was reading this.
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my mailman never comes to my door unless the package is to big and then he will leave it at my door or leave a note to pick it up.
So when i expect something from SR. and the mailman comes to my door holding an envelope..no fucking way will i sign or take it from him...leave it in my box and get the fuck out of here. and even than i wouldn't touch that box for the rest of the day. Clean up my house and wait, cause shit is coming.
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These kids certainly did themselves no favors singing like Clay Aiken, but I can't help but take issue with the idea that they'd have been off scot free by simply shutting up.
They had no case. Period. I have fought cases and watched others fight cases and they had none. If all what was required to be put in prison for life is for someone to send them a kilo of schedule 1 then any person that has ever pissed me off would be sitting in prison right now, along with any politicians I don't like, any people who ever looked at me wrong, my entire local police force, and my dickhead brother.
There is a very good post on this forum somewhere about the legal aspects of a controlled delivery which breaks it down. Basically for them to get a solid case they really need you to accept package, open package, and accept contents of opened package just to get you on a possession charge (and even then if you have no record you got a good shot at a jury letting you off). So then why do you turn on Spike TV and see the DEA bust a guy upon accepting a handshake from an undercover UPS driver? Very simple, %98 of people do not know the law and instead of fight their case they incriminate themselves. Cops know this which is why they leave themselves so open to a good lawyer because %98 of the time the cops know they are dealing with a stupid criminal and that things will not have to stand up to a trail. If you ever get busted just say "I exercise my right to remain silent and I do not want to be questioned until in the presence of my attorney", and watch their shoulders droop. Upon their next remarks (which will surely be telling you you gotta cooperate for your sake) just say, "Officer please respect my constitutional right to remain silent. I have exercised this right yet you still continue to interrogate me. This is a violation of my civil rights." And that will shut them the fuck up for good.
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Wow, some people never learn... true anarchists never give up their comrades.
NEVER
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In my younger days me and my best bud used to sell a bit grade, anyway we once got nicked with 4 oz's long story short do not talk to a dealer on the phone on public transport. Under cover CID was a few seats away. Anyway we got our shit and got back to the train station and decided to nip off into some woods right next to it for a J. little did we know we had been followed ><
Anyway we were kept in a cell over night we didn't answer shit, it was personal stash. End of
The guy we were buying off was gang affiliated not a nice chappy (complete coke head) the coppers were trying to break us haha. "I just said look if i tell you who its off i will end up dead".
I still cant believe we were kept in a cell a whole night for a bit of weed >< was orrid, worst part was it was 4 ounces of stinking blueberry.
But yeh obviously some kids that buy off SR are gonna have zero street sense, keep your mouth shut.