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Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:2nd-century BC Pharaohs to Category:2nd-century BC pharaohs – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 12:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1st-century BC Pharaohs to Category:1st-century BC pharaohs – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 12:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Geology of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands to Category:Geology by dependent territory – C2F. Mason (talk) 02:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:COVID-19 pandemic in Christmas Island to Category:2020s in Christmas Island – C2F. Mason (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:COVID-19 pandemic in the Cocos (Keeling) Islands to Category:Cocos (Keeling) Islands – C2F. Mason (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mass media people of insular areas of the United States to Category:Mass media people from insular areas of the United States – C2A: Norm is "from insular area of the United States" not "of insular area of the United States" Mason (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Models of insular areas of the United States to Category:Models from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Nurses of insular areas of the United States to Category:Nurses from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Occultists of insular areas of the United States to Category:Occultists from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Producers of insular areas of the United States to Category:Producers from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Religious leaders of insular areas of the United States to Category:Religious leaders from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Taxi drivers of insular areas of the United States to Category:Taxi drivers from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Writers of insular areas of the United States to Category:Writers from insular areas of the United States
- Category:Johnson School faculty to Category:SC Johnson College of Business faculty – C2D: is the namesake is SC Johnson College of Business per Samuel Curtis Johnson Graduate School of Management Mason (talk) 00:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:The Dong-a Ilbo people to Category:The Dong-A Ilbo people – C2D: same as below. Parent is The Dong-A Ilbo 104.232.119.107 (talk) 22:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:The Dong-a Ilbo to Category:The Dong-A Ilbo – C2D: parent is The Dong-A Ilbo. Was recently moved per a move discussion. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Al-Andalus encyclopedists to Category:Encyclopedists from al-Andalus – C2C: parent is Writers from al-Andalus Mason (talk) 21:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American farmers by state to Category:American farmers by state or territory – C2C: parents are Agriculture in the United States by state or territory (−) (±)American people by occupation and state or territory Mason (talk) 20:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Australian landscape or garden designers to Category:Australian landscape and garden designers – C2C: Siblings are all Fooian landscape and garden designers Mason (talk) 20:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Landscape or garden designers to Category:Landscape and garden designers – C2C: Norm is "and" not "or" Mason (talk) 20:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FC Besa Pejë players to Category:SC Besa Pejë players – The reason I am asking for this move is that the club has reformed and changed its name from FC Besa Pejë to SC Besa Pejë. ManiacOfSport (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Early careers by sportspeople to Category:Early careers of sportspeople – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States wars by state to Category:United States wars by state or territory – C2C: parent is Category:History of the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:African-American history by state to Category:African-American history by state or territory – C2C: parent is Category:History of the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Disasters in the United States by state to Category:Disasters in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is History of the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Deaths from pneumonia in the United States by state to Category:Deaths from pneumonia in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Category:Respiratory disease deaths in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 14:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Deaths from dementia in the United States by state to Category:Deaths from dementia in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Category:Neurological disease deaths in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 14:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Infectious disease deaths in the United States by state to Category:Infectious disease deaths in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Disease-related deaths in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 14:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chernihiv National University of Technology to Category:National universities in Ukraine – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baptist Bible College & Seminary to Category:Clarks Summit University – C2D. Mason (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Istanbul Medipol University to Category:Istanbul Medipol University – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University Džemal Bijedić of Mostar to Category:University Džemal Bijedić of Mostar – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dhaka International University to Category:Private universities and colleges in Bangladesh – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade to Category:Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade named after M. Tugan-Baranovsky – C2D. Mason (talk) 14:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Santa Clara University School of Business to Category:SCU Leavey School of Business – C2D. Mason (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Santa Clara University Schools and Colleges to Category:Santa Clara University schools and colleges – C2B. Mason (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Science and Technology, Sanaa to Category:University of Science and Technology (Yemen) – C2D. Mason (talk) 14:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:155mm artillery shells to Category:155 mm artillery shells – C2C: spacing per MOS:UNITSYMBOLS; parent category is Category:155 mm artillery Chris the speller yack 14:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Riga Aviation University to Category:Riga Civil Aviation Engineers Institute – C2D. Mason (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Babol Noshirvani University of Technology to Category:Engineering universities and colleges in Iran – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Ngozi to Category:Universities and colleges in Burundi – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Veritas College to Category:Universities and colleges in Guangdong – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Begum Rokeya University to Category:Public universities of Bangladesh – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dhaka Imperial College to Category:Universities and colleges in Dhaka – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Gafsa to Category:Universities in Tunisia – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Information Science and Technology "St. Paul The Apostle" to Category:Universities in North Macedonia – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Novo Mesto to Category:Universities in Slovenia – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Valahia University of Târgoviște to Category:Engineering universities and colleges in Romania – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lviv Seminary to Category:Roman Catholic Seminary in Lviv – C2D. Mason (talk) 13:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hebei GEO University alumni to Category:Hebei Geo University alumni – C2D. Mason (talk) 13:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hebei GEO University to Category:Hebei Geo University – C2D. Mason (talk) 13:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Sierra Leone to Category:Universities and colleges in Sierra Leone – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison I have added the existing Category:University of Sierra Leone alumni to the category, so it is no longer C2F. TSventon (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University Visvesvaraya College of Engineering to Category:University of Visvesvaraya College of Engineering – C2D. Mason (talk) 13:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sant Longowal Institute of Engineering and Technology to Category:Engineering colleges in Punjab, India – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Raiganj University to Category:Universities in West Bengal – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sacred Heart College, Thevara to Category:Universities and colleges in Kochi – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Odisha University of Health Sciences to Category:Universities and colleges in Odisha – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Defence Academy, India to Category:National Defence Academy (India) – C2D. Mason (talk) 13:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Delhi Skill and Entrepreneurship University to Category:Universities in Delhi – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lovely Professional University to Category:Universities in Punjab, India – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jayagovind Harigopal Agarwal Agarsen College to Category:Arts and Science colleges in Chennai – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Central University of Rajasthan to Category:Universities and colleges in Ajmer – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bihar University of Health Sciences to Category:Universities and colleges in Bihar – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:English and Foreign Languages University to Category:Universities in Hyderabad, India – C2F. Mason (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Student wings of Palestinian political parties to Category:Student wings of political parties in the State of Palestine – C2C: siblings in Student wings of political parties by country are all Student wings of political parties in FOO Mason (talk) 12:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Computer Studies (Maubin) to Category:Universities and colleges in Myanmar – C2F. Mason (talk) 12:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beer in Panama to Category:Beer by country – C2F. Mason (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cannabis in Delaware to Category:Cannabis in the United States by state – C2F. Mason (talk) 12:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cannabis in Connecticut to Category:Cannabis in the United States by state – C2F. Mason (talk) 12:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cannabis in Mississippi to Category:Cannabis in the United States by state – C2F. Mason (talk) 12:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defunct universities and colleges in the United States by state to Category:Defunct universities and colleges in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Universities and colleges in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 12:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia categories named after organizations based in Ohioi to Category:Wikipedia categories named after organizations based in Ohio – C2E. Mason (talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Military operations of the Early Modern period to Category:Military operations of the early modern period – C2C: per Category:Early modern period en Category:Warfare of the early modern period. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Isothiazolidinones to Category:Isothiazolinones – C2D: C2A as misspelling of isothiazolinone? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Effects of gravitation to Category:Effects of gravity – C2D: Gravity. Also C2C for Category:Gravity. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mass murder in Gaza to Category:Mass murder in the Gaza Strip – C2C: grandparent is Death in the Gaza Strip Mason (talk) 03:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murder in Gaza to Category:Murder in the Gaza Strip – C2C: parent is Death in the Gaza Strip Mason (talk) 03:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Town Panchayats in Karnataka to Category:Local government in Karnataka – C2F. Mason (talk) 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Singhana to Category:Cities and towns in Jhunjhunu district – C2F. Mason (talk) 00:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Arwal to Category:Populated places on the Son River – C2F. Mason (talk) 00:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alirajpur to Category:Cities and towns in Alirajpur district – C2F. Mason (talk) 00:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Schools in England by city to Category:Schools in England by populated place – C2C: parent is Category:Schools in the United Kingdom by populated place Mason (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Education in England by city or town to Category:Education in England by populated place – C2C: parent is Category:Education in the United Kingdom by populated place Mason (talk) 00:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Norwegian artists by city or town to Category:Norwegian artists by populated place – C2C: The norm is for categories using "by city or town" to be renamed to "by populated place" (e.g., Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_4#Category:American_people_by_city_and_occupation, Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_2#Category:Education_by_city_or_townand more recent ones that can be dug up...) Mason (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South African artists by city or town to Category:South African by populated place
- Category:Irish musicians by city or town to Category:Irish musicians by populated place
- Category:Houses in Connecticut by city or town to Category:Houses in Connecticut by populated place
- Category:Education in India by state or union territory and city or town to Category:Education in India by state or union territory and populated place
- Category:Education in Andhra Pradesh by city or town to Category:Education in Andhra Pradesh by populated place
- Category:Education in Assam by city or town to Category:Education in Assam by populated place
- Category:Education in Bihar by city or town to Category:Education in Bihar by populated place
- Category:Education in Chhattisgarh by city or town to Category:Education in Chhattisgarh by populated place
- Category:Education in Goa by city or town to Category:Education in Goa by populated place
- Category:Education in Gujarat by city or town to Category:Education in Gujarat by populated place
- Category:Education in Haryana by city or town to Category:Education in Haryana by populated place
- Category:Education in Himachal Pradesh by city or town to Category:Education in Himachal Pradesh by populated place
- Category:Education in Jammu and Kashmir by city or town to Category:Education in Jammu and Kashmir by populated place
- Category:Education in Jharkhand by city or town to Category:Education in Jharkhand by populated place
- Category:Education in Karnataka by city to Category:Education in Karnataka by populated place
- Category:Education in Kerala by city or town to Category:Education in Kerala by populated place
- Category:Education in Madhya Pradesh by city or town to Category:Education in Madhya Pradesh by populated place
- Category:Education in Maharashtra by city or town to Category:Education in Maharashtra by populated place
- Category:Education in Odisha by city or town to Category:Education in Odisha by populated place
- Category:Education in Punjab, India by city or town to Category:Education in Punjab, India by populated place
- Category:Education in Rajasthan by city or town to Category:Education in Rajasthan by populated place
- Category:Education in Tamil Nadu by city or town to Category:Education in Tamil Nadu by populated place
- Category:Education in Telangana by city or town to Category:Education in Telangana by populated place
- Category:Education in Uttar Pradesh by city or town to Category:Education in Uttar Pradesh by populated place
- Category:Education in Uttarakhand by city or town to Category:Education in Uttarakhand by populated place
- Category:Education in West Bengal by city or town to Category:Education in West Bengal by populated place
- Category:Architects by city to Category:Architects by populated place – C2C: Artists by populated place is parent Mason (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italian painters by city to Category:Italian painters by populated place – C2C: parents are Italian artists by populated place + Painters by populated place Mason (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:New Zealand artists by city or town to Category:New Zealand artists by populated place – C2C: city or town -> populated place Mason (talk) 00:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Japanese artists by city or town to Category:Japanese artists by populated place – C2C: Artists by populated place and the convention is for city or town categories to be renamed to populated place Mason (talk) 00:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Israeli artists by city to Category:Israeli artists by populated place – C2C: parents are Artists by populated place (−) (±)People by populated place in Israel Mason (talk) 00:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch artists by city to Category:Dutch artists by populated place – C2C: parents are Artists by populated place and People by populated place in the Netherlands Mason (talk) 00:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Whaling in Greenland to Category:Economy of Greenland – C2F. Mason (talk) 22:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Greenlandic cabinets to Category:Cabinets of Greenland – C2C: The overwhelming majority of categories in Category:National cabinets use Cabinets of Foo. (The other category Category:Cabinet of Greenland, can be made a redirect) Mason (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in Australia to Category:LGBT organisations based in Australia – C2C: parent is LGBT organizations based in Oceania Mason (talk) 22:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in New Zealand to Category:LGBT organisations based in New Zealand – C2C: parent is LGBT organizations based in Oceania Mason (talk) 22:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Christians of the Rashidun Caliphate to Category:Christians from the Rashidun Caliphate – C2C: from, not of Mason (talk) 22:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Intersex rights in Colombia to Category:Intersex rights by country – C2F. Mason (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Intersex rights in Chile to Category:Intersex rights by country – C2F. Mason (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Intersex rights in Kenya to Category:Intersex rights in Africa – C2F. Mason (talk) 20:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lesbian organizations in the United States to Category:Lesbian organizations based in the United States – C2C: Siblings in Category:Lesbian organizations by country are all Lesbian organizations based in FOO Mason (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in Botswana to Category:LGBT organisations based in Botswana – C2C: parent is Category:LGBT organizations based in Africa Mason (talk) 20:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in Kenya to Category:LGBT organisations based in Kenya
- Category:LGBT organizations in Morocco to Category:LGBT organizations based in Morocco
- Category:LGBT organisations in Namibia to Category:LGBT organisations based in Namibia
- Category:LGBT organisations in South Africa to Category:LGBT organisations based in South Africa
- Category:LGBT organisations in Tunisia to Category:LGBT organisations based in Tunisia
- Category:LGBT organisations in Uganda to Category:LGBT organisations based in Uganda
- Category:LGBT organizations in Japan to Category:LGBT organizations based in Japan – C2C: C2C parent is LGBT organizations based in Asia by country Mason (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in India to Category:LGBT organisations based in India
- Category:LGBT organizations in Israel to Category:LGBT organizations based in Israel
- Category:LGBT organisations in Lebanon to Category:LGBT organisations based in Lebanon
- Category:LGBT organisations in Nepal to Category:LGBT organisations based in Nepal
- Category:LGBT organizations in the Philippines to Category:LGBT organizations based in the Philippines
- Category:LGBT organisations in Singapore to Category:LGBT organisations based in Singapore
- Category:LGBT organizations in South Korea to Category:LGBT organizations based in South Korea
- Category:LGBT organizations in Syria to Category:LGBT organizations based in Syria
- Category:LGBT organizations in Taiwan to Category:LGBT organizations based in Taiwan
- Category:LGBT organizations in Turkey to Category:LGBT organizations based in Turkey
- Category:Joe Ikhinmwin to Category:Basketball players from Greater London – delete WP:C2F – Fayenatic London 20:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC Cup to Category:AFC Champions League Two – C2D: AFC Champions League Two. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC Cup seasons to Category:AFC Champions League Two seasons – C2D: AFC Champions League Two. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC Cup winners to Category:AFC Champions League Two winners – C2D: AFC Champions League Two. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC Cup winning clubs to Category:AFC Champions League Two winning clubs – C2D: AFC Champions League Two. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC Cup finals to Category:AFC Champions League Two finals – C2D: AFC Champions League Two. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Football clubs in the AFC Cup to Category:Football clubs in the AFC Champions League Two – C2D: AFC Champions League Two. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC President's Cup to Category:AFC Challenge League – C2D: AFC Challenge League. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AFC President's Cup winning clubs to Category:AFC Challenge League winning clubs – C2D: AFC Challenge League. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Monaco to Category:Monarchy of Monaco – C2D: Monarchy of Monaco. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Canada to Category:Monarchy of Canada – C2D: Monarchy of Canada. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Germany to Category:Monarchy of Germany – C2D: Monarchy of Germany. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this one, the article has a far narrower scope than the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Liechtenstein monarchy to Category:Monarchy of Liechtenstein – C2D: Monarchy of Liechtenstein. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines to Category:Monarchy of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines – C2D: Monarchy of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Belize to Category:Monarchy of Belize – C2D: Monarchy of Belize. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Greek monarchy to Category:Monarchy of Greece – C2D: Monarchy of Greece. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Italy to Category:Monarchy of Italy – C2D: Monarchy of Italy. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this one, the article has a far narrower scope than the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Ireland to Category:Monarchy of Ireland – C2D: Monarchy of Ireland. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finnish monarchy to Category:Monarchy of Finland – C2D: Monarchy of Finland. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in Austria to Category:LGBT organisations based in Austria – C2D: Parent is Category:LGBT organizations based in Europe. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT organisations in Finland to Category:LGBT organisations based in Finland
- Category:LGBT organisations in Germany to Category:LGBT organisations based in Germany
- Category:LGBT organisations in Hungary to Category:LGBT organisations based in Hungary
- Category:LGBT organisations in Ireland to Category:LGBT organisations based in Ireland
- Category:LGBT organisations in Italy to Category:LGBT organisations based in Italy
- Category:LGBT organisations in Norway to Category:LGBT organisations based in Norway
- Category:LGBT organisations in Poland to Category:LGBT organisations based in Poland
- Category:LGBT organisations in Spain to Category:LGBT organisations based in Spain
- Category:LGBT organisations in the Netherlands to Category:LGBT organisations based in the Netherlands
- Category:LGBT organisations in the Republic of Ireland to Category:LGBT organisations based in the Republic of Ireland
- Category:LGBT organisations in the United Kingdom to Category:LGBT organisations based in the United Kingdom
- Category:LGBT organizations in Belarus to Category:LGBT organizations based in Belarus
- Category:LGBT organizations in Bulgaria to Category:LGBT organizations based in Bulgaria
- Category:LGBT organizations in Croatia to Category:LGBT organizations based in Croatia
- Category:LGBT organizations in Denmark to Category:LGBT organizations based in Denmark
- Category:LGBT organizations in Estonia to Category:LGBT organizations based in Estonia
- Category:LGBT organizations in Iceland to Category:LGBT organizations based in Iceland
- Category:LGBT organizations in Montenegro to Category:LGBT organizations based in Montenegro
- Category:LGBT organizations in Romania to Category:LGBT organizations based in Romania
- Category:LGBT organizations in Russia to Category:LGBT organizations based in Russia
- Category:LGBT organizations in Serbia to Category:LGBT organizations based in Serbia
- Category:LGBT organizations in Sweden to Category:LGBT organizations based in Sweden
- Category:LGBT organizations in Ukraine to Category:LGBT organizations based in Ukraine
- Category:Stacy (singer) songs to Category:Stacy (Malaysian singer) songs – C2D Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 13:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stacy (singer) albums to Category:Stacy (Malaysian singer) albums – C2D Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 13:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Muslim League to Category:All-India Muslim League – C2D, main article is All-India Muslim League. Mehedi Abedin 12:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kings of Lan Na to Category:Monarchs of Lan Na – C2E: there were also two queens regnant. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Companies formerly listed on the Paris Bourse to Category:Companies formerly listed on Euronext Paris – To reflect the current Euronext Paris name. RidwanZatmiko97 (talk) 08:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mythological cycle to Category:Mythological Cycle: 2D to match main article at Mythological Cycle. First proposed by YukaSylvie at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Category:Mythological cycle. Graham87 (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- That user had previously tagged the category but hadn't submitted a request here. Graham87 (talk) 12:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is currently listed at full discussion but discussants agree that it is a case of speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- That user had previously tagged the category but hadn't submitted a request here. Graham87 (talk) 12:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:Martin J. Whitman School of Management alumni to Category:Whitman School of Management alumni – C2B; the parent category at Category:Alumni by business school in the United States shows all the business schools named by the last name and this category shows up out of place because of the Martin J. in the start. Should be ranked simply as Whitman School. Could be left as a REDIRECT page for new additions. Thanks. Kiran_891 (TALK) 15:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Current title is consistent with Martin J. Whitman School of Management. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place to Category:Baseball players from the United States by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan to Category:Baseball players from Taiwan by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea to Category:Baseball players from South Korea by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico to Category:Baseball players from Puerto Rico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada to Category:Baseball players from Canada by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia to Category:Baseball players from Australia by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico to Category:Baseball players from Mexico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- U.S.: Category:Baseball players from New York City
- Taiwan: Category:Baseball players from Taipei
- South Korea: Category:Baseball players from Seoul
- Puerto Rico: Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Canada: Category:Baseball players from Toronto
- Australia: Category:Baseball players from Melbourne
- Mexico: Category:Baseball players from Mexico City
- I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia – C2C: Parent Category:History of East Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- They all involved the County of East Frisia or its predecessors: Saxon feud, Appeal War, Battle of Detern (predecessors Brokmerland and Auricherland), Battle of Norditi (predecessor Norderland; actually involving the Bishop of Bremen-Hamburg, so perhaps it should be Purged). All of these (except Norditi) aren't really about the East Frisians as a people without a state; these are noble/dynastic conflicts between members of reigning families such as Tom Brok, Cirksena and so on.
- On the other hand, if this isn't about a state, then we should Purge parent Category:Wars involving Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- True. But I think saying the "East Frisians" as a "people" were involved in these battles is misleading. We could resolve this in several ways, such as populating the category, but I couldn't really find much. Emden Revolution, Battle of Jemmingen (didn't involve East Frisia, just took place in its territory), and Stedinger Crusade (but it is arbitrary to consider the Stedingers "Frisians"; it is not commonly counted amongst East Frisia today or in the past.
- There are other options, but they require us to translate first, e.g. de:Geldrische Fehde (Ostfriesland), de:Schlacht von Jemgum (1533) and de:Schlacht auf den Wilden Äckern, or their nlwiki equivalents (probably easier for you and me). Perhaps it is better to Rename to something like Category:Military history of East Frisia? Then again, East Frisia is not an administrative region nowadays, so we hit the "Lorraine" problem. At any rate, I guess we'll have to move to full to solve this, it's not as simple as I thought. NLeeuw (talk) 09:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 29#Category:Battles involving the East Frisians. NLeeuw (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series to Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt – C2F: No need for a separate games category QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: better nominate them at full CfD then. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Yinweiaiqing: isn't "in" an odd preproposition? I'd say "under" or perhaps "during". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
June 2[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Legendary creatures[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Male ghosts[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with gender. Merging is not necessary, the single article is already in Category:Asian ghosts. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:People educated at Skerry's College[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Skerry's College wasn't an individual college, it was a series of courses that preped you for the civil servants examine. Mason (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:British LGBT civil servants[edit]
- Propose merging Category:British LGBT civil servants to Category:British civil servants
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being LGBT and being a civil servant. Per EGRS, the intersection must be relevant. Notably, there isn't a LGBT civil servant category. Mason (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, a number of articles are already deeper in the tree of Category:British civil servants, e.g. diplomats or MI5. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rhythm games[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Rhythm games to Category:Music video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some may not agree with me but there are several reasons I have for this merge. First of all, many video games labeled as a rhythm game in their articles are instead located in Category:Music video games, and now especially since I recently removed all subcategories in this category except for Rhythmic action games. Secondly, the five languages that this category is also in (please ignore the French version since it has over a hundred articles but was created over a decade ago unlike the English version) have only a few articles in each one. Finally, rhythm game and music game may be different things, but the category for music video games as whole contains subcategories for various types of music game, often distinct from rhythm games, such as Karaoke or Dance games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, I can't really see a problem here, neither of the three arguments is convincing. If many articles about rhythm games are not in this category yet, they should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Video games about undead and monsters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Video games about undead to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Propose merging Category:Video games about monsters to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Nominator's rationale: I honestly want the category Video games about legendary creatures to be reverted, neither category alone is very populated in either way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Undead in popular culture and Category:Fiction about monsters respectively, with no good reason for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:National members of International Federation of Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations to Category:International Federation of Muaythai Associations
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Multiple redundant category layers Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Music series[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Music series to Category:Music (video game series)
- Nominator's rationale: So it is a video game series titled "Music". "Music series" is a bit to board i think. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this needs a disambiguator, article Music (video game) contains a disambiguator too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rota (island)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rota (island) to Category:Rota, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name - moved due to recent consensus that WP:USPLACE covers U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tinian[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Tinian to Category:Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name, which was changed per recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I believe it does. See Category:San Juan, Puerto Rico and Category:Hagåtña, Guam. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That said Pago Pago, American Samoa and Category:Pago Pago don't match either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Saipan[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Saipan to Category:Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match the article name, which was just changed because of recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Besides articles about towns on Saipan are formatted as "town, Saipan", not as "town, Northern Mariana Islands". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: After purging, there is a single member of the category (Roman Polanski sexual abuse case). Upmerge to parents for now without prejudice against recreation if it can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but I think that Category:Obscenity controversies in film is not a good place for the article. That seems about what happens in films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
June 1[edit]
Category:Holden former executives[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Holden former executives to Category:Holden executives
- Propose merging Category:General Motors former executives to Category:General Motors executives
- Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish between former and (implicitly) current GM executives Mason (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scottish models by century[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Scottish models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Scottish models to Category:21st-century Scottish people
- Propose deleting Category:Welsh models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:English models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century English models to Category:21st-century English people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century models from Northern Ireland to Category:20th-century people from Northern Ireland
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Australian models to Category:20th-century Australian people
- Propose deleting Category:Models from Northern Ireland by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Irish models to Category:20th-century Irish people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century American models to Category:20th-century American people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Australian models to Category:21st-century Australian people
- Propose deleting Category:Irish models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:British models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Australian models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:American models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Canadian models to Category:20th-century Canadian people
- Propose deleting Category:Canadian models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Canadian models to Category:21st-century Canadian people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century models from Northern Ireland to Category:21st-century people from Northern Ireland
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Irish models to Category:21st-century Irish people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century American models to Category:21st-century American people
- Propose deleting Category:Models by century and nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century models (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Models by nationality and century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century models (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century models by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century models by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century British models to Category:British models and Category:21st-century British people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Scottish models to Category:20th-century Scottish people and Category:Scottish models
- Propose merging Category:20th-century English models to Category:English models and Category:20th-century English people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Welsh models to Category:Welsh models and Category:21st-century Welsh people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century British models to Category:20th-century British people and Category:British models
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Welsh models to Category:Welsh models and Category:20th-century Welsh people
- Nominator's rationale: Models, like other modern occupations, aren't diffused by century.Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_7#Models_by_century. I urge the category creator to look at the deletion history/logs of a category before they create it. Mason (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Body horror video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Seems to be entirely original research, not a thing whatsoever in video games, or in horror video games. User has been warned repeated for adding, and now creating, incorrect categories. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Governing body of political parties[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant, incorrect on many counts. Nohe of the articles in the category is specifically about any "governing body". - Altenmann >talk 20:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to parent Category:Organizational structure of political parties where the subcategories properly belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture to Category:Farmers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection with occupation. Mason (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, then to Category:Organic farmers instead, and perhaps also to Category:Sustainability advocates. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jews and Judaism in Sullivan County, New York[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge; category had a few summer camps, some not Jewish-specific, which have been moved to the appropriate categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, as there is only a Synagogues subcategory left. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ezo'la[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Ezo'la to Category:Ezóla
- Nominator's rationale: Category is tagged with {{Correct title}} but there does not appear to exist any technical reason for it being at the current location. I still didn't go for WP:C2D to be safe. Nickps (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. Nickps (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Humanities[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Humanities to Category:Academic staff of Wuhan University
- Propose deleting Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Medical Sciences to Category:Wuhan University
- Propose merging Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Social Sciences to Category:Wuhan University
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge because these single item categories doesn't help with navigation within this university. Further they don't even have eponymous pages. Mason (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, and Category:Wuhan University School of Medicine alumni should be nominated for merging too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Institute of Ukrainian Archaeography[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I think that these are the same organization Mason (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ongoing conflicts in the Middle East[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Ongoing conflicts in the Middle East to Category:Conflicts in the Middle East
- Nominator's rationale: rename, there is no reason to limit this to ongoing conflicts, we do not have any other Ongoing conflicts category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Institutes of Nirma University of Science & Technology[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category to include the university. Main article is a redirect to Nirma University via Nirma University of Science & Technology Mason (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Battles by location in Italy[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Battles by location in Italy to Category:Military history of Italy by region
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Abruzzo (2 P) to Category:History of Abruzzo
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Apulia (13 P) to Category:Military history of Apulia
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Basilicata (3 P) to Category:History of Basilicata
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Calabria (9 P) to Category:Military history of Calabria
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Campania (29 P) to Category:Military history of Campania
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Emilia-Romagna (1 C, 51 P) to Category:Military history of Emilia-Romagna
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Friuli-Venezia Giulia (1 C, 8 P) to Category:Military history of Friuli-Venezia Giulia
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Lazio (1 C, 18 P) to Category:Military history of Lazio
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Liguria (1 C, 12 P) to Category:Military history of Liguria
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Lombardy (48 P) to Category:Military history of Lombardy
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Marche (10 P) to Category:Military history of Marche
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Molise (2 P) to Category:History of Molise
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Piedmont (32 P) to Category:Military history of Piedmont
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Sardinia (5 P) to Category:Military history of Sardinia
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Sicily (1 C, 23 P) to Category:Military history of Sicily
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol (2 P) to Category:History of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Tuscany (19 P) to Category:Military history of Tuscany
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Umbria (3 P) to Category:History of Umbria
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Veneto (33 P) to Category:Military history of Veneto
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. Upmerging those that already have dedicated Military history of Fooland cats, Renaming those that have at least 5 P to Military history of Fooland, Upmerging those that have fewer than 5 P to History of Fooland for now. NLeeuw (talk) 09:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central Greece[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Central Greece to Category:Central Greece (region) and Category:Central Greece (geographic region)
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (region) – modern times (after 1987)
- Main article: Central Greece (region)
- Other articles: Template:Central Greece, Decentralized Administration of Thessaly and Central Greece
- Child categories: Category:Buildings and structures in Central Greece, Category:Culture in Central Greece (but re-parent Category:Archaeological discoveries in Central Greece to Category:Central Greece (geographic region)), Category:Geography of Central Greece, Category:Organizations based in Central Greece, Category:People from Central Greece, Category:Sport in Central Greece, Category:Tourist attractions in Central Greece, Category:Transport in Central Greece, Category:Central Greece geography stubs.
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (region) – modern times (after 1987)
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (geographic region) – history (before 1987)
- Main article: Central Greece (geographic region)
- Other articles: Attica, Phocis and Locris Prefecture.
- Child categories: Category:History of Central Greece, Category:Archaeological discoveries in Central Greece.
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (geographic region) – history (before 1987)
- Propose purging Attica (region).
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. Central Greece (region) is the modern administrative region (Περιφέρεια perifereia) established in 1987. Central Greece (geographic region) is the historic geographical region (γεωγραφικό διαμέρισμα geografiko diamerisma) abolished in 1987. I have WP:BOLDly renamed Central Greece (an WP:UNSOURCED article) to Central Greece (geographic region), and turned Central Greece into a DP, hoping to clarify the situation. Splitting the category is the next logical step. Child categories can be renamed if so desired per WP:C2C once this split is approved. NLeeuw (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- This sounds like a too complex solution for a not so complex problem. I think we should just remove Attica from Category:History of Central Greece and every of its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is too simplistic a solution for a complex problem. I'll illustrate the problem with maps:
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Central Greece (region), after 1987
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Central Greece (geographic region), before 1987
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Geographic regions of Greece, before 1987
- If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough to remove those too. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
People with acquired citizenship or Naturalized citizens[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired American citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of the United States
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired British citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of the United Kingdom
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired French citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of France
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Indian citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of India
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Israeli citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Israel
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Russian citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of Russia
- Nominator's rationale: Merge; I don't see any difference between "Acquired citizenship" and "Naturalized citizen". Since I can't be sure, I will start this as a small Cfd before deciding on continuing with the rest. Also leave redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: "Naturalized citizens" categories are MUCH older than "Acquired citizenship" ones. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am inclined to support this, as I can't tell the difference either, but I am open to counter arguments. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location[edit]
- Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location (2 C, 0 P)
- Category:Battles in medieval Anatolia (35 P)
- Category:Battles in medieval Thrace (5 P)
- Option 1: Just delete all. All battles are already in the relevant involving former country X categories. (most of these are Byzantine Empire and its successors, Arab caliphates, Bulgaria, Armenia, Seljuk sultanates and their successors). Neither Thrace nor Anatolia was or is a "country".
- Option 2: Upmerge to Category:Battles of the Middle Ages; delete Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location. This seeks a common denominator to upmerge to, as the precedent does. But to me, it rather feels like "dumping" them into a rather unspecific category that isn't very helpful.
- Option 3: Rename to Category:Military history of medieval Anatolia and Category:Military history of medieval Thrace; add parent Category:Military history of Turkey; delete Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location. This is somewhat in line with other recent precedents that upmerge or rename Battles in Fooland to Military history of (modern administrative unit). But due to the Lorraine problem, these would not be proper new categories. "Turkey" is a proper modern administrative unit, but "medieval Thrace" and "medieval Anatolia" aren't; neither Thrace nor Anatolia was or is a "country", nor is there any Category:Military history of medieval Fooland.
- Option 4: Merge directly into Category:Military history of Turkey; delete Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location. This is more closely in line with other recent precedents that upmerge or rename Battles in Fooland to Military history of (modern administrative unit). However, this is quite a stretch, as the Republic of Turkey was not established until 1923, and the ancestors of modern Turks did not really enter Anatolia until the 11th century as Seljuks. Unlike other children of Category:Middle Ages by country, there isn't a Category:Medieval Turkey, nor is there any Category:Military history of medieval Fooland.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. This is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thrace. All three were upmerged to Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars without a location marker. Given all considerations, I would recommend Option 1, but I'm curious to hear what others have to say. NLeeuw (talk) 06:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle for follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer 1 too. Option 2 (having articles directly in a medieval category) would conflict with Category:Conflicts by time which mostly contains battles and option 3 and 4 are far from ideal as already pointed out by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Taoists from Imperial China[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Jin (Later Tang precursor) Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Min Kingdom Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Southern Tang Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Han dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Jin dynasty (266–420) Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Jin dynasty (1115–1234) Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Ming dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Northern Wei Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Northern Zhou Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:6th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Qing dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Cheng Han Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:4th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Song dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Sui dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Tang dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Three Kingdoms Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:3rd-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Cao Wei Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:3rd-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Eastern Wu Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:3rd-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Yuan dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with religion. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion.
- @Smasongarrison, Omnis Scientia, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Yinweiaiqing: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge mer nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question Okay, I am in favour of upmerging for now all those categories that have fewer than 5 items (I had recommended such a follow-up, so thanks for that!). But you would even upmerge a relatively well-populated category like Category:Tang dynasty Taoists (26 P), as the specific dynasty is considered "trivial" in addition to each of these people being Taoists from Imperial China? Just making sure that we're all on the same page. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- We might make an exception for the Song and Tang dynasty, since Taoism appears to be most widely accepted under these two dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note to @Mason: In your last comment, you said to Yinweiaiqing you have made A LOT of categories that are still underpopulated. That's probably not true. As far as I know, all the underpopulated categories that I listed for possible future upmerging were created by other people over the course of many years, some going back to 2010. These were not created by Yinweiaiqing a few days ago just to populate the Category:People from Imperial China by religion. I didn't check all edit histories, but all categories I checked weren't newly created by Yinweiaiqing a few days ago. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now for the tiny categories. Re; Good to know about Yinweiaiqing . I still stand by my repeated request that they populate their categories. But I do recognize that since I've raised the issue they haven't been making single person cateogories. Mason (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Syndromes with autism[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Syndromes with autism to Category:Syndromic autism
- Nominator's rationale: "Syndromic autism" is much more commonly used than "Syndromes with autism". For example, on Google Scholar,
"Syndromes with autism" OR "Syndrome with autism"
yields about 516 results[1], whereas"Syndromic autism"
gives about 3,470 results[2]. Additionally, renaming this category would also make it correspond to Syndromic autism article. Digressivo (talk) 05:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Add Syndromic autism as Main article. NLeeuw (talk) 06:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of these syndromes. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Career achievements of snooker players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:NARROWCAT Let'srun (talk) 03:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cartoon Network stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub category no longer populated enough to warrant retention. As always, stub categories need to have a minimum of 60 articles, but after I detagged a handful of articles that were too long to be tagged as stubs at all this went from 25 to 20. It has existed in its current form since 2011, after being deleted as underpopulated in 2007 -- but was then tagged as underpopulated again in 2018, until that template was deleted at TFD, so it's not entirely clear that it was ever really adequately populated at all.
Even the 20 pages that are here are a bit of a random grab bag, as it's populated mainly by video game or album tie-ins to Cartoon Network programming and/or foreign channels that franchised Cartoon Network or Boomerang branding, rather than things that actually have much to do with the Category:United States television stubs parent -- so it's not at all clear that there are actually very many things that could be added here to get it back over 60 articles again. It's not generally standard practice, at any rate, to stub-tag things for overly specific associations like particular TV networks; WikiProject Cartoon Network already has project templates on the talk pages anyway, so this isn't serving any important purpose that isn't already being served elsewhere. Bearcat (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or possibly merge, to Category:Animation stubs if the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: delete or merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: what is your opinion on merging? Marcocapelle (talk) 03:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm of two minds. The international Cartoon Network or Boomerang franchise channels would be fine in Category:Animation stubs, but the tie-in albums probably don't belong there at all, the couple of actual TV shows in this category are already in Category:Animated television series stubs alongside this as it is and thus don't need to be double-filed in the general animation parent, and there's also a person in this grab-bag who wouldn't belong there. So merging would be fine, as long as there's a purge along with it. Bearcat (talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm of two minds. The international Cartoon Network or Boomerang franchise channels would be fine in Category:Animation stubs, but the tie-in albums probably don't belong there at all, the couple of actual TV shows in this category are already in Category:Animated television series stubs alongside this as it is and thus don't need to be double-filed in the general animation parent, and there's also a person in this grab-bag who wouldn't belong there. So merging would be fine, as long as there's a purge along with it. Bearcat (talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Omaha people[edit]
- Nominator's rationale As there is only one recognized Omaha tribe, the Omaha Tribe of Nebraska (that is the official tribal name on the federal register), change this category's name to match the official name and get rid of the clunky parentheses. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- No oppose, but wouldn't Category:Omaha people be simpler? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I see. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Category:Omaha Tribe people would work. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Omaha people to match Omaha people, and because similarly ambiguous names like Category:Iowa people/Category:People from Iowa aren't disambiguated in this manner. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 That is what it was before. Here is a link to the previous discussion. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Iowa should be renamed as well. That just results in maintenance headaches -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming to Category:Omaha Tribe people or Category:Omaha Tribe of Nebraska people. Noting that the parent cat is: Category:Omaha Tribe of Nebraska. We have ambiguity due to the tribe name and the city name. And since the city is at Omaha due to WP:COMMONNAME, we should find a way to provide clarity. I think using the name that the tribe themselves use is an easy way forward. - jc37 19:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Recommend renaming main article Omaha people to Omaha Tribe of Nebraska, to avoid future confusion. Category:Omaha people is not in use because of its ambiguous name, so the main article runs the same risk. (It would have been convenient to rename the main article first and then speedy the category per WP:C2D, but oh well, here we are ). NLeeuw (talk) 07:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hospitals in Dharwad[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Hospitals in Dharwad to Category:Hospitals in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Hindu temples in Dharwad to Category:Hindu temples in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Dharwad to Category:Buildings and structures in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Engineering colleges in Dharwad to Category:Engineering colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Medical colleges in Dharwad to Category:Medical colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Universities and colleges in Dharwad to Category:Universities and colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Education in Dharwad to Category:Education in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Neighbourhoods in Dharwad to Category:Neighbourhoods in Hubli–Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Dharwad to Category:Hubli–Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Government of Dharwad to Category:Local government in Karnataka
- Propose deleting Category:Geography of Dharwad (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Roads in Dharwad to Category:Roads in Dharwad district
- Propose renaming Category:Road transport in Dharwad to Category:Road transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Rail transport in Dharwad to Category:Rail transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Transport in Dharwad to Category:Transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are one half of a twin city Hubli-Dharwad. The cities have a single municipal corporation called Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation. (It's like the Twin-Cities Minnesota). Almost all of these categories were made by now blocked sock puppet. Mason (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Engineering colleges in Prakasham District[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A category for Prakasham District doesn't exist. Upmerge Mason (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Universities and colleges in Prakasam district. A single-article category is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Pop-band-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear utility. It's only used on a grand total of ten articles, so it doesn't have its own dedicated stub category and instead just sorts those articles into the generic Category:Musical group stubs -- but because every last one of those ten articles features this template alongside a "Nationality-band-stub" template that sorts its articles into a more specific national or continental subcategory of Category:Musical group stubs, that means this template is adding nothing but unnecessary parent-and-child duplicate categorization. Bearcat (talk) 00:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
May 31[edit]
Phonologists by nationality[edit]
Propose renaming
- Category:American phonologists to Category:Phonologists from the United States
- Category:British phonologists to Category:Phonologists from the United Kingdom
- Category:Canadian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Canada
- Category:Chinese phonologists to Category:Phonologists from China
- Category:Dutch phonologists to Category:Phonologists from the Netherlands
- Category:French phonologists to Category:Phonologists from France
- Category:German phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Germany
- Category:Iranian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Iran
- Category:Italian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Italy
- Category:Japanese phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Japan
- Category:Polish phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Poland
- Category:Russian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Russia
- Category:Spanish phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Spain
To reduce ambiguity, in the same vein as the subcategories of Category:Linguists by nationality, which were renamed after Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 13#Linguists by nationality. Nardog (talk) 23:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean support. Seems reasonable on its face. But I don't know if I'm missing something obvious.Mason (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. Phonology does not seem to study the subject by every language. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- It does both, as does linguistics as a whole. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact e.g. a "Dutch phonologist" is ambiguous as to whether they're a phonologist from the Netherlands or someone who studies the phonology of Dutch. Nardog (talk) 09:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll leave this to the specialists to decide. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It does both, as does linguistics as a whole. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact e.g. a "Dutch phonologist" is ambiguous as to whether they're a phonologist from the Netherlands or someone who studies the phonology of Dutch. Nardog (talk) 09:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Modern serif typefaces[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Modern serif typefaces to Category:Didone serif typefaces
- Nominator's Rationale: Didone is a more common term for this typeface classification. (Didone (typography)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jothefiredragon (talk • contribs)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Moorlands of the United Kingdom by country[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. These categories would be the only ones in the merge target Mason (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:2001 abandonware games for Windows[edit]
- Propose merging Category:2001 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Propose merging Category:2002 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Propose merging Category:2004 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Propose merging Category:2014 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Nominator's rationale: There are only a few categories. My mother is asking me to Ocean Grove right now so can't finish up right way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I want to have categories per year, as now. I created this category recently - there are many abandonware games per every year - please do not merge. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, there are only very few articles. I have merged the four nominations to one. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hamas bombers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas members
- Nominator's rationale: "bomber" is not an occupation. User:Namiba 01:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, but Populate Bombing and especially suicide bombing is not necessarily like a paid "job", no, but it is a "role" in a military, paramilitary or terrorist organisation, even if it is literally the last thing they'll ever do. For the record, I understand "bombers" to include "bomb-makers". Therefore, Category:Hamas members by role is appropriate. (There is a whole Category:Hamas suicide bombings and List of Palestinian suicide attacks, which shows this is a common role within the organisation). Currently, Category:Bombers (people) is in the Category:Criminals by crime, while Category:Suicide bombing is inter alia in Category:Military tactics.
- Although the category had only 2 members when nominated, it could easily be populated with more. I just added Mohiyedine Sharif, Yahya Ayyash, Samar Sabih, and Nidal Farahat. Most of these were already in Category:Hamas military members. It might be worth re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, although that would leave Category:Hamas members by role pretty much empty. I think it is quite a redundant layer anyway; we could Upmerge it to Category:Hamas members instead. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Namiba So you agree with Upmerging Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members, and Re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members? If so, could you please tag Category:Hamas members by role accordingly, and change your proposal, or add it as an Alt proposal? Thanks in advance!
- If you mean something else, please clarify, so we can discuss it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, rather to Category:Hamas military members. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for me.--User:Namiba 14:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as Category:Hamas members by role has not been tagged for a week.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Intersex rights by region[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Intersex rights by region to Category:Intersex rights
- Nominator's rationale: Neither of the two categories (by continent), (by country) are regions. Furthermore, the parent category isn't crowded, so having this is the main category is helpful more navigation. Mason (talk) 20:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish-American history in West Virginia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. There were two other articles which belonged in Category:Synagogues in West Virginia rather than here; I've moved them there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hamid Al-Shairi albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category with only a single redirect for an album that contains little info beyond its existence at the target article. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Crossover characters in television[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I highly doubt this could be considered WP:DEFINING for a majority of these characters. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ming dynasty overseer of rituals[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tambralinga[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only the eponymous article and a subcategory. Move the eponymous article to Category:History of Nakhon Si Thammarat. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rulers of Chiang Mai[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Chiang Mai to Category:Kings of Chiang Mai
- Nominator's rationale: per article Kingdom of Chiang Mai. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I'll need to think this over, but right now I'm leaning toward oppose as there's no consensus in history-writing on the English-language term used to refer to such rulers, though rulers is commonly used. On a related note, I notice you've attempted a reorganization to match the category's scope with that of the Kingdom of Chiang Mai article, which I'm not sure was optimal. As raised at Talk:Lan Na, there was not a separate "Kingdom of Chiang Mai", rather the article just covers the a period in Lan Na's history when it was under suzerainty of Bangkok, so it's probably the articles that need to be re-structured. But the categories can be updated again when and if that does happen. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Works by year[edit]
- Propose merging Category:390 works to Category:390
- Propose merging Category:394 works to Category:394
- Propose merging Category:525 works to Category:525 and Category:6th-century works
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. The two first categories do not need another merge target, the articles are already in a subcategory of Category:4th-century works. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Songs from The Three Caballeros[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Barring the two redirects, none of the articles in this category originate in the film. Fails WP:DEFINING. (Oinkers42) (talk) 04:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we only categorize songs written for films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Illeists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Trivial association, non-defining. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this may be added as a perfect example in WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the characteristic is defining enough to be covered by and discussed in reliable sources (often a multitude of reliable sources, such as for Zlatan Ibrahimović and Donald Trump). Besides, there is a body of scientific research on the various contexts and psychological meaning of illeism (see section "In everyday speech" in article Illeism). --HPfan4 (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:UCLA Extension alumni[edit]
- Propose merging Category:UCLA Extension alumni to Category:University of California, Los Angeles alumni
- Propose merging Category:Harvard Extension School alumni to Category:Harvard University alumni added on 23:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:La Salle Extension University alumni to Category:La Salle University alumni added on 23:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This distinction for people who attended the extension school seems like an arbitrary distinction and is likely not defining for any of the two members in the category Mason (talk) 01:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. While you are right that there are other extension schools, this is the only one with a category and there doesn't seem to be a big difference between normal alumni and extension school alumni. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've added to nom per @Omnis Scientia, pinging @FieldMarine. No one is saying that the extension school isn't notable, but that the distinction isn't defining for alumns. For example, Folks aren't introduced as UCLA Extension alumn, but they are as UCLA law school alumn. Mason (talk) 23:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Like at UCLA, the Harvard Extension School is one of the oldest colleges at Harvard University and it is distinct, with its own graduation exercises. With respect to, "Folks aren’t introduced as…", a Google search of, "Graduated from Harvard Extension School" shows people are frequently "introduced" with that distinction. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, at least Harvard's. HES has separate degrees (ALB, ALM which aren't earned at other schools at Harvard), commencement ceremony, etc. for the extension school like the rest of the schools. There are unique classes at HES, that aren't offered at other schools. If UCLA, LaSalle, and any others are more like Harvard, keep them separate as well. Patken4 (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings by Karl Friedrich Lessing[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings by Karl Friedrich Lessing to Category:Paintings by Carl Friedrich Lessing (canceled by nominator, since both forms are actually used)
- Nominator's rationale: This is the correct form in German, like you can see by the German Wikipedia [3] and other Wikipedias, and also by Wikipedia Commons [4].Mistico Dois (talk) 02:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, sources mentioned in the article use both C and K. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Answer The more correct and usual form in German is Carl Friedrich Lessing, as you can see by the German Wikipedia. The predominant way is Carl. But unfortunately you are right, both forms appear in a quick search in the Google, for example. But if the German Wikipedia uses the form Carl shouldn't that be the preferable?Mistico Dois (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Since Carl Friedrich Lessing was German, it makes sense the way his name is usually spelled there, even if there is an alternative way.Mistico Dois (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose. German language Wikipedia is not just for German nationals. Further, he looks to have been born in Poland. Again, my point is that your argument isn't very compelling for one Wikipedia to defer to another Wikipedia. Do you have any alternative arguments that don't rely on this premise? Mason (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Final comment Since both forms are used and several Wikipedias use both forms, I think it can go back to the previous form. I'm cancelling my request.Mistico Dois (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
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Category:Hatsune Miku[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Figure this one out for yourself. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close as malformed (and without merit). - Altenmann >talk 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close no rationale given, and tag the nom for misuse of process -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: please comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who play Wuthering Waves[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- support per nom. - Altenmann >talk 23:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pool writers and broadcasters[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Pool writers and broadcasters to Category:Pool commentators
- Nominator's rationale: Rename; three commentators and only one is a writer. The writer can be moved to the parent category. Alt: merge with Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters given its small size. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support either, prefer alt, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both) and a category of three is not very helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters to Category:Cue sports writers and Category:Cue sports commentators
- Propose splitting Category:Snooker writers and broadcasters to Category:Snooker writers and Category:Snooker commentators
- Nominator's rationale: Split per previous precedent. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Split, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral for the moment. I'm concerned that such a split would result in some of the resultant categories being too small for our usual tolerance level. They were combined into a kind of "cue sports media people" hybrid for this very reason. The fact that two occupations (or whatever) can be distinguished does not mean that they must be, especially if the result will be problematic, and if the original more general category is appropriately categorized with regard to its content scope so that readers can find what they are looking for, as is the case here. If we're sure that some small categories that would result from the proposed split will be kept because they are part of systematic sports-occupation and media-occupation categorization structures, then I would support the split as ultimately clearer for readers (and for editors too, actually). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
- Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
- Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow intersection of characteristics, resulting in categories with just one entry each. While some "Manufacturing companies based in Specific-City" categories do exist for major US cities with a lot of articles to be filed there, like Los Angeles or Chicago or NYC, they do not need to exist right across the board the moment a smaller city or town has one manufacturing company with an article.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there are five or six articles that can be filed in each of them, but it does not aid navigation to funnel everything down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See request to relist (Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota was not tagged).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th century in Punjab[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. There is no need to merge, the subcategories are already under Category:History of Punjab, India and Category:History of Punjab, Pakistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the same for Category:Decades in Punjab, no? - Altenmann >talk 23:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann: thank you, I have added that to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films directed by Youli Karassik[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Depopulated. Wrong name; correct: Category:Films directed by Yuli Karasik. - Altenmann >talk 19:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. In these situations, you could always turn a category like this into a category redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 19:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rabbis at West London Synagogue[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete - I understand this was made in good faith per an ongoing Cfd on Category:West London Synagogue but there is no category tree for "religious leaders by religious building". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose/keep A synagogue isn't a building; it's a religious community, which can exist independently of the building. As for "religious leaders by religious building" see, for example, Deans of St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and its associated category. Headhitter (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest to nominate that category too. It is similar to WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, there are three such categories for Deans in Dublin only (as far as I can tell). Should I do all three or leave them for later? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest to nominate that category too. It is similar to WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose/keep A synagogue isn't a building; it's a religious community, which can exist independently of the building. As for "religious leaders by religious building" see, for example, Deans of St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and its associated category. Headhitter (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No need to merge somewhere, the articles are already in Category:British Reform rabbis. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dynasties of the Jats[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of the Jats to Category:Jat states
- Nominator's rationale: rename, 4 of the 5 articles are about states rather than dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:120mm mortars[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:120mm mortars to Category:120 mm mortars
- Nominator's rationale: MOS:UNITSYMBOLS and consistency with parent category 120 mm artillery Chris the speller yack 14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jat surname[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Jat surname to Category:Jat
- Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow small category. Gjs238 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tulu children[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Tulu children to Category:Tulu people and Category:Indian children
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity and age Mason (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, both articles are already in the trees of Category:Tulu actors and Category:Indian child actors. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant. - Altenmann >talk 23:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films directed by Udayasankar[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The subject's full name: https://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-articles/movies-06/vegam-review.html Kailash29792 (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish summer camps in New Hampshire[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Reform summer camps[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; no other Jewish religious denomination has their own category. The two articles are already in appropriate subcats so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works about Frankie Lymon[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Works about Frankie Lymon to Category:Frankie Lymon
- Propose merging Category:Films about Frankie Lymon to Category:Frankie Lymon
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Inajd0101 (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Inajd0101 (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:1941 establishments in Indonesia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Following the established format. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 05:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile the category has been emptied so there is nothing left to rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Oops, just re-added the content. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 06:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this was established when the Dutch were still in power. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films about The Teenagers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Films about The Teenagers to Category:Films about musical groups
- Nominator's rationale: No similar categories for musical acts/groups with only one film about them. Possible delete since film is more about the life of Frankie Lymon than the group. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see why we need two separate categories. This causes confusion with many of the articles in Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) really belonging in Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see this as an issue; its something that happens with a lot of categories which have further subcategories. Just move private schools which are in Melbourne to the appropriate category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. Other big cities in Australia also have a category like this. If kept, move articles from Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) to Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne if appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - no rationale has been given for merge. ('I don't see why' is not a valid rationale.) Perspicax (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army to Category:British Indian Army personnel and splitting to Category:19th-century Indian royalty and Category:20th-century Indian royalty (BIA runs from 1895 to 1947 i think)
- Propose merging Category:Indian royals in Indian Army to Category:Indian Army personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
- Propose merging Category:Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army to Category:20th-century Pakistani military personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an interesting, but non-defining intersection between royalty, nationality, military service. Perhaps a list? Mason (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's true, perhaps then these would do better as a list. While these individuals would wear the same uniforms as others if in active service (that wasn't often the case), their commanding officer would know this person was a royal, and the officer would make it sure to neither give hard manual tasks to such personnel nor send them in the heat of battles. More often, the royals to whom I added these categories were given honorary ranks by the British Indian Army for having provided men from their princely states for colonial military expeditions and wars, such as the Waziristan campaigns, World War I and II, etc., and sometimes just as symbols of political expediency. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus to merge, but should it also be listified as suggested by Apandeyhp89?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- No objection to a list if User:Apandeyhp89 is willing to create and populate it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Marcocapelle. I can do that, but that would unfortunately have to wait a few months, due to real life preoccupations. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Then I would suggest to copy the category content to User talk:Apandeyhp89 so that they can pick this up when they have time for it, and delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Marcocapelle. I can do that, but that would unfortunately have to wait a few months, due to real life preoccupations. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Autistic LGBT people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Autistic LGBT people to Category:LGBT people with disabilities
- Nominator's rationale: This category is a the recreation of Category:LGBT people on the autism spectrum, which was deleted per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_31#Category:People_on_the_autism_spectrum as a non-defining intersection. The overall topic is notable, but individuals as the intersection of a specific disability and sexual orientation/identity doesn't really meet the higher bar of WP:egrs. I encourage the category creator to see if the category was previously created before they make more intersections with LGBT and disability. See for a similar ongoing argument for Lesbians with disabilities Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:Lesbians_with_disabilities Mason (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but disperse in the tree of Category:People on the autism spectrum in the first place. I am not sure about the proposed merge target because I do not know if autism is generally considered to be a disability. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose/Keep I disagree that only identity+action are more defining than identity+identity, in fact I find autistic LGBT to be more defining than LGBT muderers (which one thing has nothing to do with each other, but since they are religioculturally/traditionally seen as sinful, then we have these guidelines). And as EGRS notes,
When making a new category, be sure there is substantial existing research on that category of people specific to the occupation in relation to their sexual orientation.
while making it unclear about identity+identity instead of occupation. And as you linked, the topic justifies it as notable. Actually, I find autistic LGBT to be more defining than LGBT with disability. --MikutoH talk! 23:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- also, isn't it the nominator responsible for searching old deletions to support their arguments? Because I found no previous deletions and decided to create, in my perception for the first time, the category. If I saw that it was deleted before, I would rethink it before creating it. but since that's not the case, I don't understand why you mentioned this fact. or do you mean that previous deletions justify recreation? --MikutoH talk! 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator linked to the previous discussion. As you can see the category name was slightly differently but the scope is exactly the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Repilies/Questions: What do you @MikutoH mean by identity+action versus identity+identity? Because the requirement for intersections is the same per WP:EGRS. The bar is set high to avoid tokenization and stereotypes. Most of the categories that meet the threshold for egrs is indentity+occupation. It's a much higher bar to cover three way intersections: being LGBT, being disabled, and the specific kind of disability. It isn't about what you find to be defining. It's what scholarly sources say is defining. We are also running afoul of final rung. Mason (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was talkibg about this sentence:
a person's actions are more important than, for example, their race or sexual orientation.
. And Wikipedia:Consensus can change. --MikutoH talk! 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was talkibg about this sentence:
- also, isn't it the nominator responsible for searching old deletions to support their arguments? Because I found no previous deletions and decided to create, in my perception for the first time, the category. If I saw that it was deleted before, I would rethink it before creating it. but since that's not the case, I don't understand why you mentioned this fact. or do you mean that previous deletions justify recreation? --MikutoH talk! 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject LGBT studies, WikiProject Disability, and WikiProject Autism have been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - I think this intersection does qualify as defining for the purposes of EGRSD (in part because it is a notable intersection that I think several reliable sources discuss the incidence of and connection between in-depth), though my opposition is weak purely because I'm concerned maybe there's some nuance of the guideline I'm not understanding here. - Purplewowies (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People on the autism spectrum[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:People on the autism spectrum to Category:Autistic people or People with autism
- Nominator's rationale:
The main article was moved and also based on this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 00:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current name strikes an acceptable compromise between person-first or identity first language that neither of proposed renames addresses.[5][6][7][8] Furthermore, the main article was moved to Autism, which doesn't solve the problem for people on the spectrum. Mason (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also relevant are the two CFDs for this category. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 22#Category:People with Asperger syndrome/on the autism spectrum and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 31#Category:People on the autism spectrum Mason (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Autism has been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, this is really a WP:COMMONNAME type of discussion. I think "people on the autism spectrum" has become the common name by now but I would welcome if someone would come up with relevant statistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose:"on the autism spectrum" is terminology that has significant support amongst autistic people themselves [9] and is at the very least terminology that few people hate.[10] The preference for identity-first language is not as uniform as it's made out to be, and "on the autism spectrum" represents a fairly non-controversial compromise. Its only drawback is that it's not as popular. In academic research, I'm assuming it's because they tend to use the full name "autism spectrum disorder". Google Scholar search results of the past 10 years yields this: "people with autism" -> 29.300 results, "autistic people" -> 16.900 results, "people on the autism spectrum" -> 5.590 results, "people with autism spectrum disorder" -> 12.200 results, "people with ASD" -> 17.000 results. On Google Trends, "autistic people" has overtaken "people with autism", and "people on the autism spectrum" ranks far beneath both of them.[11]
- Based on popularity (academic and common) and the fact that there is support among autistic people, I'm not completely opposed to changing it to "autistic people", but said support is far from uniform so I'm hesitant about a hard line stance. TheZoodles (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
May 29[edit]
Category:Closed churches in New York (state)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, unclear what's the difference between closed/former Mason (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. My guess is that the distinction refers to demolished versus repurposed, but even if so I agree they can be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Works about same-sex sexuality[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Works about same-sex sexuality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Works about LGBT topics
- Propose merging Category:Non-fiction books about same-sex sexuality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBT non-fiction books
- Propose merging Category:Documentary films about same-sex sexuality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Documentary films about LGBT topics
- Nominator's rationale: Parent category splitted. Should them be merged or renamed then? --MikutoH talk! 22:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --MikutoH talk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Though I believe it's grouping non-gender LGBT identities, but it's also separating transgender from LGBT sexual orientations in Category:Works about LGBT topics. --MikutoH talk! 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --MikutoH talk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It was the wrong choice to "split"/merge the parent category too.★Trekker (talk) 23:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal. Mason (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am assuming that the intended merge target is the LGBT parent category, but it would be helpful if User:MikutoH would add this to the nomination explicitly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal. Mason (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the rationale isn't very relevant because Category:Homosexuality still exists. The question is more if we should rename Category:Homosexuality to Category:Same-sex sexuality or, the other way around, whether we should rename Category:Works about same-sex sexuality to Category:Works about homosexuality. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose completely unnecessary, and to be honest somewhat offensive. "Same-sex sexuality" and "LGBT topics" are not synonyms. Homosexuality, bisexuality and being transgender aren't all the same thing. The rationale
It's also cisnormative
doesn't really apply either, all four terms in the acronym LGBT are cisnormative. Adam Black talk • contribs 08:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Film posters by country[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Afghan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:American film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Argentine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Austrian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Brazilian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:British film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Burmese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Danish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:French film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:German film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Greek film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Icelandic film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Iranian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Italian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Maldivian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Mexican film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:New Zealand film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Nigerian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Peruvian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Philippine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Polish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Portuguese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Singaporean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South African film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South Korean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Spanish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Swedish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Turkish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Uruguayan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current category names are ambiguous as to whether they're, for example, posters of Swedish films or film posters from Sweden. I'd recommend renaming to "Film posters of Sweden" like the Commons categories. hinnk (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Film posters made in Sweden?
- Film posters hung in Sweden?
- Posters of films made in Sweden?
- Posters of films made by Swedish crew members or crew members from Sweden?
- Film posters that show "Sweden" (e.g. its landscapes or symbols associated with Sweden)?
- Film posters made or owned by the government of Sweden?
- Poster of films made by the government of Sweden?
- Etc.
- All of these are more or less reasonable interpretations of Film posters of Sweden. I'm glad you're trying to clarify the catnames, but I don't see it getting much clearer. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Comment, regardless of renaming I do not think this is very ambiguous. Posters of Swedish films (i.e. in other countries than Sweden) would be a rather odd reading. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose; I don't think its very ambiguous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support matching commonscat.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ludomusicology[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains only the main subject and one other article. The subject is rather niche anyway. It is very unlikely that it will ever contain more. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Video game music. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, it seems helpful to keep the articles in Category:Video game music. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:User cu-N[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Nonsense category created by locked account, nobody can be a native speaker of Old Church Slavonic which is an ancient language no longer actively spoken. Partial refiling of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Babel category enforcement which closed as no consensus due to zero participation (I decided the rest of that nomination is not worth caring about) * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Besides both user accounts in the category are blocked. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I deleted the second one as a G5, so now it's down to one account. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Babel category duplicates[edit]
Propose merging or reverse merging with redirect
- Category:User jv-x-bms to Category:User map-bms
- Category:User nap-x-tara to Category:User roa-tara
- Category:User nrm to Category:User nrf (the description of the former category is wrong, these are actually the same language)
- Category:User nds-NL to Category:User nds-nl
Nominator's rationale Refiling Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Babel category duplicates, which was closed as no consensus due to insufficient participation (nobody other than me and the creator commented). * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: in the previous discussion, creator clearly misunderstood what was being proposed. Support at least Category:User nrm to Category:User nrf. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose deleting "nrf": this is the ONLY correct language code for Norman (some Wikimedia wikis has used "nrm" for Norman, but they are wrong as this code is for a completely unrelated Asian language: Narom; this is wa wellknown historic error made by Wikimedia that forgot to check valid codes in ISO 639 or IANA databases; if it was created today, using "nrm" for Norman would be rejected, "nrf" is assigned since years in ISO 639). "NRM" is already marked has need migration to "NRF" to leave the place for Narom. Wikidata rejects the use of "nrm" for Norman in its data (it is still accepted only in interwiki links to existing Norman Wikipedia, as long as it is not fully renamed).
The description of the category is perfectly correct: these are NOT at all the same language.
In the mean time, Narom users should be able to contribute and speak about their language, even if for now they cannot have their own localized wiki, so they have to use some other projects spaces in other localized wikis or international wikis, for example in Wiktionary and Wikidata where their vocabulary is being fed already with "nrm". In HTML/SVG/XML markup the lang attribute used is already "nrf" for Norman. In Wiktionary editions, and in Wikidata, Norman terms are tagged and indexed with "nrf", not ""nrm". Do not confuse legacy Wikimedia interwiki codes (which are bound to Internet subdomain names, without being restricted to use only one language or script, even if there's a default language or script) with standard language codes for identifying any contents. verdy_p (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- The proposal is not to delete nrf, so it is no use opposing that. The proposal is to move Norman-speaking entries from nrm to nrf. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:User mul[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:User mul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User mul-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale I attempted this exact outcome at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#User mul, which got closed as no consensus due to zero participation. My rationale there was:
Way back in April 2022, I nominated this category for deletion, claiming
Recreation of category previously deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 30#Category:Multilingual Wikipedians under a technically accurate but nonsensical name containing only one user who has been inactive since 2007. [...]. The creator requested that[I] amend the babel stuff so that, which can now be done by editing MediaWiki:Babel-category-override, so the original nomination for deletion is once again valid. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC){{#Babel:en|mul}}
no longer populates a category.
Maybe the third time's the charm. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, entirely redundant, Wikipedians who speak multiple languages can indicate the level of the various languages they speak. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Schools in the Garden State Association of Christian Schools[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. No main page for the group that i could find. Mason (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, mere membership of an association is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish summer camps in Michigan[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge, only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBT non-profit organizations in Canada[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category upmerge for now (probably for ever). non-profit organizations in Canada doesn't exist as a category and neither does LGBT non-profit organizations. Mason (talk) 12:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but target should probably be Category: LGBT organizations based in Canada ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Île-de-France[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Île-de-France to Category:Military history of Île-de-France
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one. NLeeuw (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle: what do you think? NLeeuw (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if all categories in Category:Battles by location in France are renamed; it's misleading to have that category but only include an arbitrary selection of regions. Peter James (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster, No, you'd be doing a great favour, merci monsieur! NLeeuw (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Battles by location in France and its subcategories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes to Category:Military history of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté to Category:Military history of Bourgogne-Franche-Comté
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Centre-Val de Loire to Category:Military history of Centre-Val de Loire
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Hauts-de-France to Category:Military history of Hauts-de-France
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Nouvelle-Aquitaine to Category:Military history of Nouvelle-Aquitaine
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Occitanie to Category:Military history of Occitania (administrative region)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Pays de la Loire to Category:Military history of Pays de la Loire
- Propose merging Category:Battles in Corsica to Category:Military history of Corsica
- Propose deleting Category:Battles by location in France
- I'll let Nederlandse Leeuw add a rationale. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale (additional nominees): WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", unless such a category does not yet exist, in which case they are proposed to be renamed to "Military history of X" instead. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany is a closely connected discussion which has already put this into practice.
- (PS: Category:Battles by location in France could be Upmerged to Category:Military history of France by location instead of Deleted for logging purposes, but it doesn't make much difference. Category:Battles by location in Germany is proposed to be merged into Category:Military history of Germany by state, but such a category does not exist for France "by region" yet, so it could better be created than trying to recycle Category:Battles by location in France). NLeeuw (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent all per nom. This is my second vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update Category:Battles by location in Germany closed as merge/delete as nominated. It would now make sense if this Category:Battles by location in France discussion would follow that precedent, and have the same outcome, as HouseBlaster and I are proposing. NLeeuw (talk) 07:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:New South Wales rugby union team players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was Super 10 (rugby union) and Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected. Skeene88 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its still the same team @Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Newspapers published in Western Australia by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Pilbara newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:South West Newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia
- Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:
- Category:Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black talk • contributions 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,
- Category:Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:
- The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black talk • contributions 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge all to Category:Newspapers published in Western Australia, apart from Perth there is no reason for diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.JarrahTree 01:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:West London Synagogue[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only has people who are affiliated with the Synagogue. I guess it would fall under WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest it be renamed as People associated with West London Synagogue. 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headhitter (talk • contribs)
- Delete, it is a case of overcategorization by association, WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and Marcocapelle. Categorising every individual by the religious buildings they're associated with would be incredibly tedious, as well as needless overcategorisation. Adam Black talk • contribs 14:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the East Frisians[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia
- Alt proposal 1: renaming Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Military history of East Frisia
- Alt proposal 2: merging Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles in Lower Saxony / Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (pending outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany)
- Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy rename.
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- Added alt proposals. Rationales: Alt proposal 1 seeks to save this as an East Frisia military history category, but it has the "Lorraine" problem, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13#Category:Military history of Lorraine; East Frisia is not an administrative region in our times. Alt proposal 2 seeks to look for the nearest modern-day administrative region that encompasses the territories associated with East Frisia, and that is the state of Lower Saxony. There is currently already a discussion going on about renaming Category:Battles in Lower Saxony to Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany), so whatever the outcome of that will be is proposed to be the merge target. @Marcocapelle: FYI. NLeeuw (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer alt2, not all battles are clearly in a former East Frisia state and nom already made clear why alt1 is not a good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt2 is more accurate for currrent content.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome back! Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support per nomination. Although I'm not sure whether it'd be entirely accurate given Category:Jewish British writers is in the category. The term "Jewish" encompasses both a religion and ethnicity. Converts to Judaism aren't necessarily ethnically Jewish. Would a rename to Category:British writers by ethnicity or religion be more appropriate? Adam Black talk • contribs 15:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jewish subcategories may always be under both "by religion" and "by ethnicity" parents if they exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Politicians by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent
- Nominator's rationale: Follow up of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent and many other similar discussions. Aldij (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename — to eliminate "ethnic" "origin". Although, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC) - Rename per nom. Anonimu (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wars involving Frisia[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Wars involving Frisia to Category:Wars involving the Frisians
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, in many of these wars there wasn't a clear Frisia state. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral I'm not convinced the status quo nor the proposal are very tenable. I neither favour nor oppose. NLeeuw (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Assorted Jelly Beans albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects. The band is also a redirect, and doesn't appear to be notable. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No useful information provided in target; no aid in navigation. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gonanes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only the parent compound, which is alredy in Category:Steroids. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chinese-language-only video games[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Chinese-language-only video games to Category:China-exclusive video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some of these titles may be available be it digitally or physically outside of China. But I don't follow that logic. Merge. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This merger makes no sense. Taiwan exists. There have been vidoegames that were made for Taiwan or Hong Kong (pre-1997) that were only in Chinese. If this is properly populated, it should not contain just PRC-exclusive games. -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 06:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I suppose I will withdraw my will the delete this category because of that logic. While Japanese, English, get deleted for some other reasons. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with parent (below) — Insufficiently specified. Which language? Mandarin? Cantonese?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose: "Chinese-language" here refers to the Chinese language as a whole, including all variations of Chinese such as Cantonese. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Written Chinese is the ostensibly the same, so if there is no spoken Chinese, then it's just Chinese -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video games by language[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The reason why I'm deleting these categories are only for video games supported in a single language, and none of these categories are fully-populated either. More importantly many titles only available in a single language can alternatively be found in Category:Region-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC) - Comment There are several multiregional languages, such as English, French (France, Canada, French Africa, French Polynesia, French Caribbean), Portuguese (Brazil, Portugal, Macao), Spanish (Spain, Latin America, Philippines), Russian (North Asia, Central Asia, Europe), Arabic (North Africa, West Asia, East Africa, Central Asia, Islamic World), Hebrew (Jewish World) -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:English-language-only video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I am deleting this category along with other Video games by language categories, (expect Chinese-language-only video games, which will merge with China-exclusive video games). Reason: Many English-only titles are otherwise located in Category:North-America-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC) - Comment Australia is not a multilingual region, indigenously developed games would be in English, same with New Zealand. Both are not in North America. Elon Musk's game Blastar was developed in South Africa in English only. So English isn't a language that is restricted to North America. Many games for the Acorn or the BBC were developed only in English and were mostly released in Britain and Australia -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to Category:People of Hindkowan descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to Category:People of Kashmiri descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to Category:People of Pashtun descent
- Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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- If nobody else reacts, I would prefer option B over option A. Note again that this is just about a single article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all (thus option B) per nom. --Aldij (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sugar[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sugar to Category:Sugars
- Nominator's rationale: They are too similar MRTFR55 (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However, Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree they are different categories, and Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article. Peter James (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Agree Category:Sugar is ok. Fine with rename of Category:Sugars to "Types of S". Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- As creator, support rename of Category:Sugars to Category:Types of sugar. Don't forget to fix the commonscat, as that remains Sugars. It is very sad that folks misunderstand the difference between topic and set categories.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Japanese-language-only video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute
- Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete — I'm not sure where any listification would be placed.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Meal planning apps[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only a single article inside. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, it might not contain any more articles QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
May 28[edit]
Indian writers by language[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Bengali novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali novelists and Category:Bengali-language novelists
- Propose splitting Category:Malayalam novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Malayali novelists and Category:Malayalam-language novelists
- Propose splitting Category:Marathi novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Marathi novelists and Category:Marathi-language novelists
- Propose splitting Category:Odia novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Odia novelists and Category:Odia-language novelists
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of the category nominated in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_27#Category:Indian_novelists_by_language; seems to juxtapose ethnicity and language, having the naming convention of the former but parent categories more appropriate for the latter. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- A split would lead to pairs of categories with almost 100% overlap. Shouldn't we just rename the categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series to Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the parent category is nearly empty and a "series" subcategory is not very common. This was opposed at WP:CFDS where it was nominated for C2F which obviously does not apply. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66 and Ymblanter: pinging participants to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Loanwords in Indonesian[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Loanwords in Indonesian to Category:Lists of loanwords in Indonesian
- Nominator's rationale: To match all other subcategories of Category:Lists of loanwords. Belbury (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, or alternatively merge to both parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Flag icon tracking categories[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Flagicon tracking categories (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Flag icon tracking categories
- Propose renaming Category:Flagdeco with missing country data templates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Flag decoration missing country data templates
- Propose renaming Category:Flagicons with missing country data templates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Flag icons missing country data templates
- Propose renaming Category:Pages using flagicon template with unknown parameters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Pages using flag icon template with unknown parameters
- Nominator's rationale: Match categories with {{flag icon}} and {{flag decoration}} (which were recently WP:BOLDMOVEd per WP:TPN). I also think we should change
with missing
to simplymissing
, as the former construction is a little awkward. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Climbing video games[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Climbing video games to Category:Climbing and mountaineering video games
- Nominator's rationale: Finishing the tidying up of these climbing/mountaineering categories and want to align their naming with the others, such as Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Climbing magazines[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Finishing the tidying up of these climbing/mountaineering categories and want to align their naming with the recently renamed others (such as Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering). Should also add the term "journals" here as there are several 'mountaineering journals' contained in this category. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:1890 establishments in Malawi[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:1890 establishments in Malawi to Category:1890 establishments in the British Central Africa Protectorate
- Propose renaming Category:1901 establishments in Malawi to Category:1901 establishments in the British Central Africa Protectorate
- Propose renaming Category:1910 establishments in Malawi to Category:1910 establishments in Nyasaland
- Nominator's rationale: "YYYY establishments" categories are supposed to follow the name the place had at the time, not the name it has now, so "Malawi" is an anachronism in these years. (In addition to these, I also found a couple of siblings where "YYYY in the More Appropriate Name for that Year" already existed, so I've simply redirected those accordingly -- but in the cases batched here, the appropriate "British Central Africa Protectorate" or "Nyasaland" category doesn't already exist yet, so the Malawi one would need to be moved.) Bearcat (talk) 14:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am the creator of the categories and I agree with the above renaming proposal as it makes more sense. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 14:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People of African descent by country[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There is no such container category for other continents, and there is no valid reason to make an exception for Africa. All these categories are already included in the Category:People of African descent tree through categories like Category:Asian people of African descent and Category:European people of African descent, among others. Aldij (talk) 13:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Billionaires of African descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Categorization by non-defining characteristics should be avoided. The combination of being a billionaire and being of African descent is non-defining. Aldij (talk) 12:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, trivial intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep We have Black billionaires and there are dozens of articles about this intersection. Per WP:EGRS, "At all times, the bottom line remains can a valid, encyclopedic main article be written for this grouping?"--User:Namiba 14:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is a pretty poor article, only one source covering the grouping of black billionaires [12]. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's true, but there are many articles about this topic visible from a quick Google search.--User:Namiba 18:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Shadow Ministers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. No other shadow (i.e. opposition party) ministries in any country has categories like this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Books by Harold Macmillan[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent category. Only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Books about David Cameron[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Broadway restaurateurs[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Broadway restaurateurs to Category:Businesspeople from Manhattan and Category:American restaurateurs
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is a WP:OCNARROW Mason (talk) 02:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I created this category. It is worth noting that it is not intended for restauranteurs who run restaurants physically located on Broadway in NYC, but instead for those who run restaurants which cater to and are frequented by "Broadway people" - actors, directors, theatre-goers, etc. As such, it is a rather specific list, and I think it has some value that would be lost if it was eliminated. OTOH, I created a bunch of these categories a while back and some of them have been eliminated already for similar reasons, by editors who didn't see the point in special-casing "Broadway".Brianyoumans (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- We do not even have restaurateurs categories by U.S. states or cities. By state would be acceptable though. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: From the hatnote,
If you do not find what you are looking for in here, try the parent category Category:Wikipedia utility templates or one of its other subcategories. The distinction between these categories is unclear, and this one may need to up-merge.
Either they need to merge (which is probably the easiest), or we need to come up with a clear distinction between the two (which will be a pain to put into effect, unless there is some preexisting distinction that is not clear to me). HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Executed Nazi propagandists[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Executed Nazi propagandists to Category:Nazi propagandists and Category:Executed Nazis
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between occupation + political orientation + cause of death. Mason (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in the tree of Category:Executed collaborators with Nazi Germany and the articles are not about propagandists per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
May 27[edit]
Category:17th-century executions by the Province of New York[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's no need to have a category like this with just a single person in it. Mason (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Perhaps we may suffice with a single merge to Category:17th-century executions by the Thirteen Colonies as the province and the later state of New York aren't exactly the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Merge only with Category:17th-century executions by the Thirteen Colonies. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:17th-century executions by the Thirteen Colonies only. –Konanen (talk) 10:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women prime ministers of Finland[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women prime ministers of the United Kingdom[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Category is already in appropriate subcats of Category:Prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Cautiously, this category does already have three entries, and it would be an awkward judgement that we are unlikely to have another female PM soon. PatGallacher (talk) 23:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @PatGallacher, not saying there won't be, just that the category's scope is too narrow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Cautiously, this category does already have three entries, and it would be an awkward judgement that we are unlikely to have another female PM soon. PatGallacher (talk) 23:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:NRISref errors[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer useful to Template:NRISref. This was a tracking category that would track for uses without a database version, but those are not a thing anymore. New NRHP sites do not have this. See Template talk:NRISref#Template-protected edit request on 27 May 2024. SWinxy (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of MyrtaBeautyQueen[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: An older sockmaster was discovered after this category was created. It is helpful to have all the socks in one category for understanding and analyzing long-term abuse. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will drop a note at WT:SPI.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)- Support this does not appear controversial, surely it should be nodded through? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm the CU who connected MyrtaBeautyQueen to DevilBlack69. I just reviewed the notes and can't see any reason these categories shouldn't be merged. Go for it. Note that the category assignments are actually done via the {{sock}} templates on the user pages, so what you really need to do is update all those templates; I would suggest leaving a link to this discussion in the edit comment when you do that. RoySmith (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Not even controversial. CharlesWain (talk) 14:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Caucasus Jews[edit]
* Propose deleting Category:Caucasus Jews (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)- Propose renaming Category:Caucasus Jews to Category:Jews from the Caucasus
- Nominator's rationale: There are two Jewish ethnic groups originating from the Caucasus region: Mountain Jews and Georgian Jews. The term Caucasus Jews currently redirects to "Mountain Jews." These two groups are culturally distinct; they speak different languages and have many differences in customs and culture. However, other Jewish communities have also resided and continue to reside in the Caucasus region, including primarily Ashkenazi Jews, as well as some Sephardic and Bukharan Jews. Therefore, this category does not make sense. Currently, this category encompasses Jews from three modern countries, yet "Caucasus Jews" redirects to "Mountain Jews." Note: I have just separated the entries for category:Jews from Georgia (country) and category:Georgian Jews. Aldij (talk) 11:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, rename to Category:Jews in the Caucasus to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, disambiguate including Category:Mountain Jews and category:Georgian Jews. Surprisingly, these are not within Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was my mistake; I have already corrected it by adding Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. However, I did not understand your proposal for disambiguation. Category:Mountain Jews and Category:Georgian Jews represent separate ethnic groups, while the current Category:Armenian Jews, Category:Azerbaijani Jews and Category:Jews from Georgia (country) merely denote Jews by nationality. Additionally, the term "Caucasus Jews" redirects to Mountain Jews, which implicitly suggests that it is the primary topic. Aldij (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose The category is fine. I would also be okay with it being named something like Category:Jews in the Caucasus or "from the Caucasus", which would include subcategories for Armenian Jews, Azerbaijani Jews, Georgian Jews, Mountain Jews, and Jews from the Caucasian parts of Russia. The parent category for this should be Category:Jews and Judaism in the Caucasus, along the lines of Category:Islam in the Caucasus. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the nominator's reasoning is convoluted. The problem lies with an editor who has messed with the two topics "Caucasus Jews" and "Mountain Jews" and not with this category which remains valid, and yes Caucasus Jews spreads over a few countries/regions and ethnicities/people. IZAK (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, Fayenatic, Bohemian Baltimore, IZAK: OK, then I propose renaming this category to Category:Jews from the Caucasus, and linking it with {{category see also}} to Category:Mountain Jews. Category:Georgian Jews is already linked with {{category see also}} to Category:Jews from Georgia (country). --Aldij (talk) 08:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the updated proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)- Rename to "Jews from the Caucasus" per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Secularism in the Arab world[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Secularism in the Arab world to Category:Secularism in the Middle East
- Nominator's rationale: I know that technically these are different regions, but... these categories overlap so healvy I think we should merge them. Mason (talk) 22:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but purge the Moroccan and Tunisian subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If Moroccan and Tunisian sub-categories are to be purged due to this merger, then I would oppose it, because the perceived and projected cultural ties among the Arab world are notable enough to warrant grouping all of these topics into that category.---Konanen (talk) 10:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing in the Moroccan and Tunisian subcategories hints at being part of a movement in the Arab world. The content is very specifically related to these two countries only. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I do not understand your point:
- 1) Point of clarification: do subcategories and pages within the Secularism category have to reference specific concerted movements, or is any topic related to Secularism within the named geographic region (whichever that may be) sufficient to merit inclusion into the category?
- 2) Morocco and Tunisia are, by definition, part of the Arab world. Any movements existing in these countries are therefore logically movements within the Arab world, so unless I have lost all of my abilities to read and understand, I do not think your comment makes sense.
- Clarification would be appreciated! –Konanen (talk) 12:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Konanen: there is certainly an Arab world, but it isn't obvious that there is Arab world secularism. Unless further evidence is provided this category is a case of a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am very sorry, but I still fail to understand
it isn't obvious that there is Arab world secularism
. What does that even mean? Does a movement of secularism have to be run by the same organisation in every single country that is part of a defined geographical region (→ Arab world) to be considered as existent? If so, then how does merging Category:Secularism in the Arab world into Category:Secularism in the Middle East make any sense? And why not merge that into Category:Secularism in Asia when we are at it?Konanen (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Konanen (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)- In order to get any further in this discussion you need to make a case that "secularism in the Arab world" is an encyclopedic topic. That does not require a single organisation though. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am very sorry, but I still fail to understand
- @Konanen: there is certainly an Arab world, but it isn't obvious that there is Arab world secularism. Unless further evidence is provided this category is a case of a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I do not understand your point:
- Nothing in the Moroccan and Tunisian subcategories hints at being part of a movement in the Arab world. The content is very specifically related to these two countries only. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If Moroccan and Tunisian sub-categories are to be purged due to this merger, then I would oppose it, because the perceived and projected cultural ties among the Arab world are notable enough to warrant grouping all of these topics into that category.---Konanen (talk) 10:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: I appreciate the categories may have heavy overlap, but I do not see why the Arab World, as a geographical and political area/unit, should be of lesser importance than, say, Category:Secularism in England while nobody suggests merging it into Category:Secularism in the United Kingdom, or merging that one into Category:Secularism in Europe.
@Marcocapelle suggests that, if the merger goes through, Moroccan and Tunisian subcategories should be purged. That would be a disservice to the bigger picture, since all countries of the Arab world have significant influence over each other’s political movements, see for example the lead at Arab Spring. Marcocapelle’s requirement tomake a case that "secularism in the Arab world" is an encyclopedic topic
seems to me to be iniquitous, as well. But never let it be said that I would not try to source proof of definingness of the subject matter [13][14][15][16].
However, if a merger is considered absolutely necessary, then I suggest renaming Category:Secularism in the Middle East to Category:Secularism in the Middle East and North Africa, modelled after Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa. Thank you. –Konanen (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- Question/Comment: Asking for evidence to support something being defining is not "iniquitous", that's a reasonable bar. But what I'm struggling with is why we need both Secularism in the Middle East and Secularism in the Arab world. Are they distinct enough to warrant two categories? I think that merging in reverse would also be fine. Mason (talk) 19:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mason: Yes, because the Arab World is a reasonably well-defined geocultural area, while the Middle East, which is a more loosely-defined geopolitical region, comprises—per the WP article—five non-Arab World countries, and moreover lacks 6 to 9 (depending on the count) countries considered as belonging to the Arab World. In other words, there are roughly 18 countries making up the Middle East, 13 of which are part of the Arab World, while the minimum count of the latter comprises 19 countries (maximum: 22 countries).
- It may be useful for some users to limit their browsing of the topic to only Arabic-speaking countries, as their political developments are usually heavily influenced by one another, and correlations within them would be of greater interest, which is not the case for non-Arab World Middle Eastern countries, which has a contested/varying definition. –Konanen (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question/Comment: Asking for evidence to support something being defining is not "iniquitous", that's a reasonable bar. But what I'm struggling with is why we need both Secularism in the Middle East and Secularism in the Arab world. Are they distinct enough to warrant two categories? I think that merging in reverse would also be fine. Mason (talk) 19:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the League of Women Voters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Members of the League of Women Voters to Category:American suffragists
- Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former Ikawa Line Stations[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per author request. ✗plicit 13:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary, sparsely populated category. Only one other such subcategory in Category:Defunct railway stations in Japan and it contains 22 articles. Gjs238 (talk) 15:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging is not necessary, the articles are already in Category:Railway stations in Japan closed in 1990. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Women conservationists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A non-notable intersection of gender and occupation. User:Namiba 14:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sort the rules out Wikipedia's policy on this is far from clear. Category deletion should be based on a clearly agreed set of rules and until then such categories should be left alone. Why is a "Female United States senators" category OK when "women conservationists" is not. I can assure you that to become a conservationist in PNG is for a women in PNG a considerable achievement and far from "non-notable". Roundtheworld (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
DeleteMerge, trivial intersection with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge. Shouldn't these be merged to Conservationists? These women are still conservationists. Mason (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- So Female American Senators should be merged with Senators? Roundtheworld (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- If they would be merged, probably not to Category:United States senators because all articles are already in the tree of Category:United States senators by state. But here not all articles are in the tree of Category:Conservationists by nationality yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People by educational institution in Surrey[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; only one category layer. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Executed people from Surrey[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Executed people from Surrey to
Category:People from Surrey andCategory:Executed English people
- Propose splitting Category:Executed people from Surrey to
- Nominator's rationale:
DualMerge only to Category:Executed English people per discussion below; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, although I am not entirely sure of Category:People from Surrey as a merge target. The article only says his father held possessions there. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, so should I cut out Surrey then and single merge to "Executed English people"? Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: if you agree, yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Will edit the nomination then. Thanks for catching that fact. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: if you agree, yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, so should I cut out Surrey then and single merge to "Executed English people"? Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome to Category:Autistic Wikipedians
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. Asperger's syndrome is no longer an official diagnosis so there shouldn't be a category suggesting it is either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the categories should be merged. Jarble (talk) 14:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I find it mildly licentious (maybe?) to request a merge of this Category, when the two main articles that are the subject matter of this proposal, namely Asperger syndrome and Autism, are currently being Considered for Merger with
nounanimous clear consensusreachedagainst the adoption of said merge proposal. - However, if I am wrong (entirely possible) and this proposal is not precipitate in view of the on-going discussion mentioned further above, then I Oppose, since not all countries have adopted ICD-11, and it continues to be an official diagnosis in some jurisdictions. There is also the possibility that some people might, for whatever personal reasons, identify more with the Asperger’s label than they do with Autism. We should not be taking away a notably significant and not-yet-historic diagnosis because of ICD-11. -Konanen (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Konanen, I didn't know about the merger and I would be against it myself since the scope of articles and categories are very different. Categories have a more stricter rules. From everything on the matter, Asperger's is no longer an official diagnosis. I wouldn't have taken the step if I wasn't sure. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Can you (or anyone else) please share what the rules on categories are? I have no idea where to find them, and I really enjoy not spewing nonsense, which I cannot do if I do not know the rules. Thank you in advance! –Konanen (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Konanen, hey there. You can read the rules at WP:CFD. Being completely honest, its fair complicated and I don't fully understand it myself. Still figuring it out. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Can you (or anyone else) please share what the rules on categories are? I have no idea where to find them, and I really enjoy not spewing nonsense, which I cannot do if I do not know the rules. Thank you in advance! –Konanen (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Konanen, I didn't know about the merger and I would be against it myself since the scope of articles and categories are very different. Categories have a more stricter rules. From everything on the matter, Asperger's is no longer an official diagnosis. I wouldn't have taken the step if I wasn't sure. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Mild support, we should keep article Asperger syndrome for historical reasons, but user categories like Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome aren't about history, they are about now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose. The removal/subcategorization of Asperger's isn't really as clear cut. Many people were diagnosed with the disorder when it was in existence (which I think was as recently as 2019?), and they might very well still identify with that diagnosis, even if its been subsumed. I'd really like to get some more voiced from folks active in the Autism wikiproject as well as folks from the category itself. (I'm aware that we have have some good representation in CFDs, but... I'd rather have more voices on this rather than fewer). Mason (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I would love for them to have a say, certainly. I'm personally still learning about it myself and I could very well be wrong here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose. The removal/subcategorization of Asperger's isn't really as clear cut. Many people were diagnosed with the disorder when it was in existence (which I think was as recently as 2019?), and they might very well still identify with that diagnosis, even if its been subsumed. I'd really like to get some more voiced from folks active in the Autism wikiproject as well as folks from the category itself. (I'm aware that we have have some good representation in CFDs, but... I'd rather have more voices on this rather than fewer). Mason (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films with scents[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Films with scents to Category:Olfactory art
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Removed three entries where this was non-defining, leaving just the two films and the general topic (which isn't itself a film so maybe shouldn't be in here as an entry; perhaps {{catseealso}} would've made more sense). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I disagree that it's not defining on Postcard from Earth, where the 4-D aspect of the film is discussed substantially. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article only mentions the scent once in the lead and says nothing substantial about it in particular. If there's more to be written about that aspect then it should be added, at which point I would reconsider the category placement. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Autonomous oblasts of Russia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There is only one Autonomous oblast of Russia — the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. No need to have this category, which only has said page and two redirects, when Jewish Autonomous Oblast could be categorized under the cat Federal subjects of Russia. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:Federal subjects of Russia. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian novelists by language[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Are these four subcategories supposed to be for ethnic groups or languages? Either way, these people are not necessarily Indian nationals. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging is not necessary, the subcategories are already in Category:Novelists by language and the articles are in Category:Indian novelists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former universities and colleges of Jesuits[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The current name is not only awkward and not parallel to the name of the related category for current Jesuit institutions ("Jesuit universities and colleges") but its meaning is also unclear. ElKevbo (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- If someone has a (legitimate) concern that "Former Jesuit" is also ambiguous - does it mean "a university or college that was once a Jesuit institution but is no longer a Jesuit institution" or "a Jesuit university or college that is now closed" ? - then "Formerly Jesuit universities and colleges" would resolve that ambiguity. The category does currently include institutions in both of those situations so this may be important. ElKevbo (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is ambiguous in any case and the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important. Manually merge to Category:Jesuit universities and colleges insofar the articles aren't already in country subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over. The category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits. Category:Universities and colleges established by Jesuits would be a better name except it is rather long. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's an entirely different subject and you're welcome to establish that category if you feel strongly about it but it doesn't seem terribly relevant to the discussion at hand. And I completely disagree that "the category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits" as its primary use is to identify colleges and universities who are identified with that particular religious order. It's less about the history of that order and more about the intended function and role of these colleges and universities.
- "Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over" doesn't seem like a very helpful or productive perspective at all. Every religion will eventually fade into disuse or change until it's unrecognizable. The sun will eventually explore destroying all life and structure on the planet. The universe will eventually fade into heat death. None of that is very useful when considering what we should or should not do here and now in this encyclopedia. ElKevbo (talk) 15:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at Coláiste an Phiarsaigh[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unneeded category - Only 2 entries which I've added to the school article, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. Plus, there are now twice as many entries as there were at time of proposal. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to Peter James here, I guess this can be withdrawn although for the record I'm not happy about it nor do I see a point in having duplicate information... But if EN wants duplicate information for the sake of having duplicate information then who am I to get in the way of that. –Davey2010Talk 10:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at De La Salle College Dundalk[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by the same list at De La Salle College Dundalk#Notable alumni, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to Peter James here, I guess this can be withdrawn although for the record I'm not happy about it nor do I see a point in having duplicate information... But if EN wants duplicate information for the sake of having duplicate information then who am I to get in the way of that. –Davey2010Talk 10:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at Alcester Grammar School[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by the list at Alcester Grammar School#Notable alumni, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we want duplicating information though ?, Why do we need an under-populated category when a list within an article does the same job ?, Also do you have any sort of link that explicitly states duplicating information is fine because if you do I'd happily close this. –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Categories are navigational tools, while lists in articles can include way more information. They serve distinct purposes. If we were strict about not repeating any information in different areas of the site, a vast amount of categories would go extinct, including probably all of Category:Works by creator because most of those also have sections/separate articles just for listing their oeuvre. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we want duplicating information though ?, Why do we need an under-populated category when a list within an article does the same job ?, Also do you have any sort of link that explicitly states duplicating information is fine because if you do I'd happily close this. –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are thousands of such categories. Deleting one makes no sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative. There are thousands of these in Category:Alumni by secondary school. If they are not defining then all should be deleted. Peter James (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I guess this is one of those things I will never understand, How is a duplicate category "complimentary" when it's literally a duplicate??, Why do we need 2 things of the same thing ?, what is achieved or what is the end goal in having 2 of the same thing ?, I don't get it I truly don't.
- Nonetheless Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative renders my whole arguement moot so I guess my only option here is to withdraw, Thank you for providing that guideline it's greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 10:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Racionais MC's songs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 02:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:SMALLCAT (deprecated, but still worth pointing to here as I don't think opinions have changed on this part) makes an exception for Category:Works by creator categories so long as they follow other guidelines, and this one does. Unless the sole entry is itself found deletable (and I have a feeling it wouldn't be) then the category is safe. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The one article survived an AfD. This is proper and expected categorization per WP:SONG#Categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Relational art[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: New category containing only 2 redirects. Gjs238 (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this does not help navigation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Neither entry makes mention of relational art as a subject, and the relational art article doesn't mention either entry nor their targets, leaving it entirely unclear why they are being included in the first place. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Denis Ten Memorial Challenge templates[edit]
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. The content is already in Category:Figure skating championships navigational boxes. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No reason to isolate this template all alone in its category. Pichpich (talk) 20:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:European Youth Olympic Festival Figure Skating templates[edit]
- Delete, the templates are already in established figure skating categories and having just two templates in a new category isn't particularly helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nepela Memorial[edit]
- If not deleted, at least rename to Category:Nepela Memorial navigational boxes. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Post-theists[edit]
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:13th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:Bavand dynasty and Category:13th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose merging Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers to Category:Baduspanids and Category:13th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:Bavand dynasty and Category:14th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose merging Category:14th-century Baduspanid rulers to Category:Baduspanids and Category:14th-century Iranian rulers
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think we need to diffuse Bavand or Baduspanid dynasty by century. Instead I think we should repurpose it to be a nationality category. Mason (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, better merge them to existing categories rather than establishing a new tree with only two subcategories. The merge targets (next to the dynasty) would be Category:13th-century monarchs in the Middle East and Category:13th-century Iranian people and likewise for the 14th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep But why? Both dynasties almost lasted 1000 years and had many rulers. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the category only contains two centuries... and we don't typically have categories at the intersection of occupation+century+family dynasty. And we don't have parent categories for several of the two way intersections, which makes it hard for me to see a case for why this narrow intersection is defining. Mason (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fanny (band)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Too little content: only two cats and two articles (and the two cats only have 4 or 6 articles themselves). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Nepali language movement activists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Nepali language movement activists to Category:Nepali language activists
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. Rervse merge also fine by me Mason (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- They are not exactly overlapping, one is a category of Indian people, the other of Nepalese people. The former is related to the Nepali language movement which was a movement specifically in India. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Images that survived replaceability discussions[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The category is for all types of files (including e.g. videos), not just images. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mythological cycle[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological cycle to Category:Mythological Cycle
- Nominator's rationale: The Mythological Cycle is a proper noun and should be capitalized. --YukaSylvie (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Urdu-language historical novelists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Urdu-language historical novelists to Category:Urdu-language novelists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's no other language categories for this genre of novelists. The two category members are already in historical novelists for their nationality. Mason (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No other language category for novelists is subdivided by genre. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Urdu-language fiction writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Urdu-language fiction writers to Category:Urdu-language writers
- Nominator's rationale: Per the parent Category:Fiction writers Fiction writers is "intended as a parent for more specific subcategories only; writers should not be filed directly in this category. Please reclassify writers found here into more specific categories by their country of origin and/or type of fiction (novelists, short story writers, etc.)" I interpret this to mean that we shouldn't have a category dedicated to fiction writers for a specific language. (And notably the only category of Fiction writers like this) Mason (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Youth activists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Youth activists to Category:Child activists
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should just merge these two categories, they're both extremely similar with the defining feature being that the activist is notable for being young. Mason (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom or reverse merge per article title Youth activism. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. Reverse merge would conflict though with all of the Fooian children categories. Mason (talk) 23:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Right, so we should also nominate those. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are a "lot" of those, just look at for example Category:American children Mason (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would merely propose renaming the subcategories of Category:Child activists and move these under Category:Youth in the United States etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- So would they no longer be parented by American children etc? I'm just trying to make sure I understand the final vision. I'm not opposed, but I'm also not not opposed. Mason (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am inclined to say yes, no longer be parented by American children etc. But that would not be a big issue for me. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- So would they no longer be parented by American children etc? I'm just trying to make sure I understand the final vision. I'm not opposed, but I'm also not not opposed. Mason (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would merely propose renaming the subcategories of Category:Child activists and move these under Category:Youth in the United States etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are a "lot" of those, just look at for example Category:American children Mason (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Right, so we should also nominate those. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Reverse merge would conflict though with all of the Fooian children categories. Mason (talk) 23:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge, which should also come with renaming all subcategories from "child" to "youth". QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose merging, in either direction - I've slightly reworded for greater clarity the head note for Category:Child activists to read as follows: "This category is for individuals who were notable as activists during childhood, i.e. before the age of 15." Whereas the head note for Category:Youth activists refers to the age range of 15 to 24 years, which conforms with the definition of "youth" that was adopted by the United Nations. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0: if it is really desirable to make this distinction (which I am not convinced of) it means that every subcategory by nationality needs to be split too. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, a split between Hebrew Bible and Old Testament does not make too much sense in biblical art which largely originates from Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents per Fayenatic london. NLeeuw (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination. "Hebrew Bible" is the name for the 39 books common to Judaism and Christianity, and I see no reason why Christianity should be regarded as more important.
- On second thought, it might be better to upmerge Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents, as it is currently a mostly redundant layer. How does that sound? NLeeuw (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
", as things stand the "deuterocanonical books" category is within the "Old Testament" one, so isn't this an argument against the status quo as well? But it's resolved if Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament is upmerged to its parents, leaving the subdivisions of the (Christian) Bible as "Hebrew Bible", "deuterocanonical books" and "New Testament" – with no "Old Testament"? I hope I've got that right. Ham II (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect parent Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (now tagged). There is a Paintings tree within the Art tree, and there is a Hebrew Bible tree within the Old Testament tree. However, I have just removed Choir of San Lorenzo from Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (as it seemed mistaken or unjustified), leaving only the subcats Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes and Paintings of people in the deuterocanonical books, so there is little justification for keeping that layer at present. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, having a gap for OT in that layer (paintings by theme) would be consistent with the hierarchy for paintings of people – we have Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people but not Category:Paintings of Old Testament people. – Fayenatic London 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disclosure: I have just created Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art, which I judged to be a worthwhile and missing category. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Analysis Ok, I worked it out on paper (I wish I could easily show how I worked it out on paper, but that would require a lot of effort using Template:Tree chart or something). The whole category tree from Category:Biblical art downwards is a mess, with the "Hebrew Bible" art tree and "Old Testament" art tree frequently entangled and mixed up. There are many redundant layers and "incestuous" connections (such as Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art being both a sibling and a child of Category:Old Testament themes in art), while Category:Hebrew Bible people in art and Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes are siblings (children of Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art), as well as partners who procreated the child Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people. (Truly a biblical phenomenon?). However, before we start blaming the "Hebrew Bible" art tree for ****ing things up, it is really the "Old Testament" art tree that messes around in making most of these connections, as it is trying to be the parent of the "deuterocanonical books" art tree as well as "Hebrew Bible" art tree.
- The problem is one of semantics: what is meant by "Old Testament" is dependent on religious tradition. As I said above,
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
. This is best illustrated by Old Testament#Content: the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) (24 books) corresponds exactly with the Protestant Old Testament (39 books; same contents, just split into more books), but the Catholic Old Testament (46 books) adds 7 deuterocanonical books, and the Orthodox Old Testament (49 books) adds 10 deuterocanonical books. Therefore, arguably the "Old Testament" tree (at least when it comes to Biblical art) is a WP:POV-based WP:ARBITRARYCAT, which presumes that Roman Catholicism / Eastern Orthodoxy are theologically "correct", and that Protestantism and Judaism are theologically "wrong". Obviously, this is not a POV Wikipedia can adopt. The simplest and most elegant solution is to phase out the "Old Testament" art tree wherever it is an unhelpful WP:OVERLAPCAT or WP:NARROWCAT, and have an independent "deuterocanonical books" art tree that is a direct child of Category:Biblical art, separate from "Hebrew Bible" art. Template:Hebrew Bible category (widely used in the "Hebrew Bible" tree) already suggests such an approach; although that might itself suggest a "Jewish/Protestant" POV, it is one informed by pragmatism in categorisation. - On closer inspection, it appears Fayenatic and I completely agree, and we are suggesting the same initial steps towards solving the problem. But more is necessary to fix the entire problem. Just phasing out "Old Testament" is not enough. As I suggested, "Hebrew Bible" needs to be Purged of "incestuous" parent/sibling/child categorisation, and "deuterocanonical books" needs a separate, independent tree directly under Category:Biblical art in order to fully disentangle this mess. Good day, and hopefully my commentary is helpful to you all. NLeeuw (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep and follow the course of action NLeeuw has outlined instead (of removing "Old Testament" categories, etc.). Ham II (talk) 07:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: it is not surprising, and I think not even wrong, that the art category deviates from the rest. Nearly all notable biblical art is art made by Christians, for the larger part made by Catholic people who were used to an Old Testament including the Deuterocanonical books. I certainly agree that this is a POV issue but it seems reasonable to take the artists' POV as leading here. @Johnbod: what do you think of it? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification, Marcocapelle, I hadn't seen this! I think to "have an independent "deuterocanonical books" art tree that is a direct child of Category:Biblical art, separate from "Hebrew Bible" art" will confuse people, as the term is these days unfamiliar to most. I think the structure should be:
- Biblical
- Old Testament
- Hebrew Bible
- Deuterocanonical books
- New Testament
- Old Testament
- And User:Fayenatic london, can we NOT use "themes" when we mean "subjects" - "love", "death" and "war" are themes, the Sacrifice of Isaac and Tobias and the Angel (my new Deuterocanonical article) are subjects. I don't personally object to cats being "simultaneously siblings and parents" - sometimes you need that. Johnbod (talk) 01:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Johnbod – I agree with you in full. Happy to nominate the "themes" categories for renaming as soon as this discussion is closed. As for NLeeuw's and Ham II's suggestions, I don't mind rationalising small categories so long as the contents are not lost from the parents. – Fayenatic London 07:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Biblical
Template:Bhutan-tv-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Bhutan stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grutness: when you say
redirect
, do you meankeep the template but have it populate Category:Bhutan stubs
? (This also applies to other nominations on this page; I am arbitrarily picking one rather than pinging you a bunch of times.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)- Yes, exactly. That's standard stubbing practice. If the template is there, then it can still be used, it just doesn't need a category. It's the categories which should be nominated for deletion, not the templates. Stub templates are quite often either left unused, emptied, or simply used to fill a parent category. Grutness...wha? 04:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Great, thanks for confirming. Just wanted to make sure you weren't asking for a literal redirect (in this case, replacing {{bhutan-tv-stub}} with
#REDIRECT Category:Bhutan stubs
).@LaundryPizza03: does this work for you? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. That's standard stubbing practice. If the template is there, then it can still be used, it just doesn't need a category. It's the categories which should be nominated for deletion, not the templates. Stub templates are quite often either left unused, emptied, or simply used to fill a parent category. Grutness...wha? 04:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grutness: when you say
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Bhutanese television stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep template but populate Category:Asian television stubs as well as Category:Bhutan stubs. Merge Category:Bhutanese television stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:India-cricket-season-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Cricket season stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Indian cricket season stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Might as well delete template, as category seems to duplicate Category:Indian domestic cricket competition stubs, but if not then Merge Category:Indian cricket season stubs to Category:Indian sport stubs as well as Category:cricket season stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:2020s-Western-film-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Western (genre) film stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:2020s Western (genre) film stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This is a sorting category. These are somewhat elastic in that they may be empty from time-to-time and other times may be populated. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep template. Merge Category:2020s Western (genre) film stubs to Category:Western (genre) film stubs and Category:2020s film stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:1960s-Tamil-film-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Tamil-language film stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:1960s Tamil-language film stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep template. Merge Category:1960s Tamil-language film stubs to Category:Tamil-language film stubs and Category:1960s film stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:New Zealand-cricket-ground-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:New Zealand sports venue stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:New Zealand cricket ground stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Template might as well be deleted, but if not then Merge Category:New Zealand cricket ground stubs to Category:New Zealand sport stubs and Category:Cricket ground stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Religion in China[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in Qing dynasty to Category:Religion under the Qing dynasty
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Ming dynasty to Category:Religion under the Ming dynasty
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Shang dynasty to Category:Religion under the Shang dynasty
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Song dynasty to Category:Religion under the Song dynasty
- Nominator's rationale: rename, "in" is an odd preproposition in relation to a dynasty, "under" or "during" makes more sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:1950s-UK-single-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:British single stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:1950s British single stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Songs/singles have traditionally been stubbed by decade and genre ({{1950s-pop-song-stub}}, {{1950s-R&B-song-stub}} etc.) not by the nationality of who wrote/performed them. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Really? British single stubs is sub-catted by decade. – Fayenatic London 21:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep template, merge Category:1950s British single stubs to Category:1950s single stubs and Category:British single stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Uruguay-cemetery-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parents (Category:Uruguay geography stubs and Category:Cemetery stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Uruguay cemetery stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete template and related category, as unlikely to be useful. – Fayenatic London 21:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:WashingtonCountyID-geo-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Idaho geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; Generically, it would be great to eliminate unused stub classes, but:
- 1) it would be the ONLY county without the category
- 2) There are some articles that are weak "Starts" that are in there.
- 3) There should remain a "place" to put new stubs when needed.
- Mjquinn_id (talk) 13:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Washington County, Idaho geography stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:WestIndies-cricket-season-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Cricket season stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:West Indies cricket season stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Might as well delete template as no longer needed, but if not then Merge Category:West Indies cricket season stubs to Category:Caribbean stubs as well as Category:cricket season stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Wisconsin-road-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Midwestern United States road stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per above. --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 16:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Wisconsin road stubs.
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:North American sports venue stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only contents are a stub template that does not populate the category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Should contain Category:United States sports venue stubs, Category:Canadian sports venue stubs, {{Mexican... as a parent only category. Stub template should be deleted. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Grutness's proposal?
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- Keep cat, delete template per Grutness. Her Pegship (?) 18:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep category; there is currently no template. Ah, it was Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub. Category:North American cricket ground stubs with just 4 members looks ripe for a merger nomination to Category:Cricket ground stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Executed French people[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Brittany to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Centre-Val de Loire to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Corsica to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Île-de-France to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Normandy to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Pays de la Loire to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur to Category:Executed French people
- Nominator's rationale: manually merge, follow-up after this earlier discussion. Only the second reason of the previous discussion applies now: trivial intersection with location. Manually merge insofar the articles aren't already in one of the other subcategories e.g. Category:French people executed by Nazi Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cricket articles needing attention to tagging[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category not found in code of Template:WikiProject Cricket anymore so not in use. Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:India MPs 2019–present[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:India MPs 2019–present to Category:India MPs 2019–2024
- Nominator's rationale: The 2024 Indian general election was declared and is currently going on. The term of the previous MPs definitely ended in 2024. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why such a rush? Let's not close this discussion until the 2019 parliament is formally dissolved. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Defer / oppose per Marcocapelle / WP:CRYSTAL. NLeeuw (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I could have justified my reasoning more. The synopsis of the last day of the Budget session of parliament on February 10, has the following statements:
- Page 27: "Hon. Prime Minister and Hon. Members, the tenure of this Lok Sabha is drawing to a close today with this session of the Seventeenth Lok Sabha."
- Page 35: "The National Song was played. (Thereafter, Lok Sabha adjourned sine die)" -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Really, is India without a functioning parliament for a couple of months? In that case by all means rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question Why don't we speedy rename it to Category:Members of the 17th Lok Sabha per main article List of members of the 17th Lok Sabha (WP:C2D)? Otherwise we are bound to be renaming these categories every time Parliament is adjourned or disbanded or whatever, but the ordinal number remains the same and therefore stable. NLeeuw (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 12#Indian Members of Parliament by term. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Pilot licensing by country[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is borderline c2c, but it could also be that there is no parent category for Pilot licensing. Mason (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as a pilot can pilot a ship in the water, such as the two pilots on the boat that crashed into the bridge in Baltimore, or the two pilots on the ship that crashed in the Suez Canal -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former Laicized Roman Catholic priests[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining, and borderline perfectcat Mason (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aircraft categories[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Aircraft categories to Category:Aircraft by type
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category with confusing name Mason (talk) 15:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Aircraft category is a technical term, not the same thing as an aircraft type. cagliost (talk) 15:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per cagliost. The confusion is understandable though; I suggest we add Template:Category see also to both and refer to each other to aid navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of bankruptcies[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lists of bankruptcies to Category:Bankruptcy
- Nominator's rationale: There's only two pages in there that are actual lists. The rest is a collection of categories for companies that have declared bankruptcy. This isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 15:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
:Oppose. I have removed one page that shouldn't be in the category. Now we have two pages that should be in this category, and some subcategories. I don't see the problem for navigation. cagliost (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The subcategories don't belong here, they do not contain lists. Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lifeboats of the Titanic[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Lifeboats of the Titanic to Category:RMS Titanic and Category:Lifeboats
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. These two pages are already interlinked. This category really isn't helpful at this stage. Mason (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. The category only has one member. cagliost (talk) 15:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disability and lesbianism[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Disability and lesbianism to Category:LGBT and disability and Category:Disability and women and Category:Lesbian history
- Nominator's rationale: I encourage the category creator to make a main page about this intersection, because right now this just seems like a narrow collection at this 3xintersection of gender+disability+sexual orientation. Mason (talk) 14:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge, trivial intersection, per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject LGBT studies and WikiProject Disability have been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lesbians with disabilities[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lesbians with disabilities to Category:LGBT people with disabilities
- Propose deleting Category:Women with disabilities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining interseciton between gender+sexual orientation+disability, per WP:EGRS. (For the record, I am both queer, female, and disabled; and after searching the academic literature, I am extremely skeptical that this intersection is defining for individuals, given what litle i found). Mason (talk) 14:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete, trivial intersections, per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question So we're keeping Category:Disability and women and Category:Disability and lesbianism, but considering deleting subcategories for specific women and lesbians with disabilities? Because the phenomena are notable enough, but for individuals it is non-defining? Or at least, lesbians with disabilities do not stand out amongst the larger group of Category:LGBT people with disabilities? I think I might support that reasoning. NLeeuw (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty much. There's broader literature on the topic for women; so it might be helpful to have gathered together. Disability and women could include gender-based health discrimination etc. Disability and lesbianism could include topics at the intersection, case law, trade magazines, etc, but right now... I don't think there's enough content (see above). (I'm on the fence). But for specific people, there's not something particularly unique about being a disabled lesbian above and beyond being a disabled LGBTQ person. Mason (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep they are defining but separately. Also, why delete Lesbians with disability and keep Category:Transgender people with disabilities?. --MikutoH talk! 23:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
North Yorkshire geography stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:Craven-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Hambleton-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Harrogate-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Richmondshire-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Ryedale-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Scarborough-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Craven-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub templates. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:North Yorkshire geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. See comments under Central Bohemian geography stubs, above. Again, as there, the templates would be autimatically kept - it should be the categories that are proposed for deletion/upmerging. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- They're now all finally used as they should be. Some of them (Harrogate, Hambledon, Richmondshire) have categories which are well over 60 stubs; the other templates can be upmerged - although serveral are close to the 60-stub threshold. Not sure why these were never used in the first place. Grutness...wha? 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- They were not used as I changed them to the parent North Yorkshire ready to delete them. Keith D (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Gah. 1) why didn't you say that they were no longer used rather than unused, which implies that they had never been used?; 2 why didn't you comment when I said they were victims of undersorting?; and 3) why did you empty them prior to a deletion discussion which may result in them being kept? If you wanted to change them all to North Yorkshire, all you had to do was turn the templates into redirects to {{NorthYorkshire-geo-stub}}. You didn't need to go through this whole process! If you do go through this process, don't empty them first - do what it says to do on the tfd template! PS - if these districts are no longer used, what areas do you suggest splitting North Yorkshire into for stub purposes, as the NYk geo stub category will be over the 600 stub threshold for splitting? Grutness...wha? 16:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- They were not used as I changed them to the parent North Yorkshire ready to delete them. Keith D (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- They're now all finally used as they should be. Some of them (Harrogate, Hambledon, Richmondshire) have categories which are well over 60 stubs; the other templates can be upmerged - although serveral are close to the 60-stub threshold. Not sure why these were never used in the first place. Grutness...wha? 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as "what links here" gives a list of articles that someone working on, for example, Craven, would want to develop. (The proposal is to delete the template, not the category, so admittedly the category could serve the same purpose.) --Northernhenge (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete districts aren't generally a good way of dividing stubs (or set categories) into. Its normally best to just put all in the ceremonial county. In addition these districts have been abolished for over a year. Also do the same with the Cornish ones. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete they are all out of date as have been abolished and just upmerge the categories they populated to North Yorkshire where they should now reside. Keith D (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Grutness, now that the cats are populated. Her Pegship (?) 17:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think there is some confusion here. The proposal seeks to delete the templates, but many people are commenting on whether the categories should exist. As the categories have not been tagged, I will do so. I will also note that many of the templates/categories are now in use.
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- Delete sensible to delete these as districts no longer used so as to avoid confusing people. 86.187.229.36 (talk) 16:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment some (all?) of these named areas had a history before the local government districts used their names, so abolishing the local government districts may not, in itself, always make the name redundant. --Northernhenge (talk) 18:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disinformation operations[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Disinformation operations to Category:Disinformation
- Nominator's rationale: this is follow-up on this previous discussion. After purging it is more clearly about disinformation, but does not clearly distinguish itself from its parent Category:Disinformation. Hence manually merge (only insofar appropriate). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Coddlebean, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Hmains: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- do not agree 'Disinformation' is a about a fact: false and misleading information. 'Disinformation operations' is about a process, something that people are organized to carry out, generally by a political entity of some kind. Very different articles involved, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Murdered Australian rules footballers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining 3x intersection between cause of death, occupation, and specific sport within that occupation. (Delete instead of merge because Murdered sportspeople only has this category in it, and has the same intersection issue) Mason (talk) 03:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of films by date[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lists of films by date to Category:Lists of films
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't agree that it is redundant, it helps keep the parent category less crowded.★Trekker (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is 14 or 15 subcategories, that does not make the difference. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mountaineering organizations[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mountaineering organizations to Category:Climbing organizations
- Nominator's rationale: These are both climbing and mountaineering organizations so the separation is no longer useful, better to have one single category called Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations Aszx5000 (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the two to Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations, they are very overlapping. I will tag Category:Climbing organizations too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Works about mountaineering[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Works about mountaineering to Category:Works about climbing
- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent CfD on Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, the Category:Works about mountaineering should be merged into Category:Works about climbing, which should then be renamed as Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the two to Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering, they are very overlapping. I will tag Category:Works about climbing too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mountaineering films[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering films. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mountaineering films to Category:Climbing films
- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent CfD on Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, the Category:Mountaineering films should be merged into Category:Climbing films, which itself should be renamed as Category:Climbing and mountaineering films. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the two to Category:Climbing and mountaineering films, they are very overlapping. I will tag Category:Climbing films too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Invasions by country[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions by country to Category:Invasions and Category:Wars by country involved
- Nominator's rationale: This category will never have more than its current 2 subcategories: Category:Invasions by country invaded and Category:Invasions by invading country. It exists only by virtue of the ambiguous meaning of the word "country", which is only explained by the two subcategories. It therefore does not aid navigation, and should be upmerged to its parents so that direct navigation to the subcategories is possible. NLeeuw (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated and delete all new subcats, merely creating extra container categories doesn't improve navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support deleting all new subcats as nom. I don't know if I should tag them as well, but I think we should make clear to the creator that creating new subcats isn't very helpful in the middle of a CFD, and in fact somewhat disruptive. (There is probably a guideline against it, but I can't find it right now). I would ask @AHI-3000: to please stop creating new subcategories of this category for the duration of this CFD. Thanks in advance. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: Then cite which specific rule is against doing that. Your initial claim was that this category cannot grow larger than 2 subcats. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support deleting all new subcats as nom. I don't know if I should tag them as well, but I think we should make clear to the creator that creating new subcats isn't very helpful in the middle of a CFD, and in fact somewhat disruptive. (There is probably a guideline against it, but I can't find it right now). I would ask @AHI-3000: to please stop creating new subcategories of this category for the duration of this CFD. Thanks in advance. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and delete subcats Per WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AHI-3000: if you were just trying to make a point it would be the most elegant solution if you would tag the new subcategories as G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: G7? AHI-3000 (talk) 06:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: G7? AHI-3000 (talk) 06:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I don't see a reason to create multiple subcategories of Category:Invasions with little difference from the parent category. Dimadick (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the subcategories of Category:Invasions by country. As it stands, I currently am reading consensus to merge Category:Invasions by country as nominated and delete the subcategories (though, of course, consensus can evolve).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)- Note to participants (not to HouseBlaster, who has understood this correctly): only deleting the newly created subcats that have been created in order to populate the category under nomination. Category:Invasions by country invaded and Category:Invasions by invading country are to be preserved (and have not been tagged). NLeeuw (talk) 05:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia[edit]
- Propose renaming: Category:Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia should be changed to Category:Crystal City, Virginia so that it is consistent with the primary page, which is Crystal City, Virginia. Thanks. Keystone18 (talk) 20:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting per request; I will tag the category.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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