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Title: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: toden on March 30, 2012, 09:02 am
Hello,
There was big article about order from silk road in one of bigest polish newspapers on first page.
Links on their website to article that was in newspaper :

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75478,11440237,Heroina_przyszla_poczta.html

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,11447835,Tropem_heroiny_przez_internet.html

You can see she ordered heroin from Noriega, 72% purity after they tested it.
Polish police said they are in contact with police in holland.
The best is that customs said that they don't check letters sent from other EU countries :D
Anyway they don't know how to handle it from what i've read , polish police only monitored internet for child abuse sites and pedofiles, it's new for them.
They only acted (i mean police) becasue of that article , i don't think there will do anything else..
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: blackend646 on March 30, 2012, 12:25 pm
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this. Imagine the shitstorm if "Your children could be ordering heroin on the internet!" was plastered all over fox news. It is strange to me that a story on SR has yet to be ran in the US, surely the major news organizations know about it. It's on wikipedia for fuck sake. I assume they haven't run the story because LE fears that it will make more people flock here?

Also I love how predictable the media is with their scare tactics. Of course they didn't order MJ, of course they didn't order shrooms, and of course they didn't order any nootropics or any of the cheaper prescription medication for sale here that could potentially help countless people. No. They went straight for the heroin so they could paint us in the most negative light possible. Truly a pathetic move if you ask me.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: etal on March 30, 2012, 12:45 pm
There was a news broadcast about SR a few months back. That's why so many new people (like me) joined, innit? I was baffled that it didn't go any further than that.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: That 1 Dude on March 30, 2012, 01:09 pm
I doubt there is much a local police department can do. My biggest fear is DEA of FBI creating a specialized team/task force dedicated to the demise of SR. 

Long live the road!
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: N1ghtmare on March 30, 2012, 02:10 pm
The road can not be killed, for there is simply no one to kill.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: total on March 30, 2012, 02:57 pm
couldn't have made a better advertisement. in the news spot even a uniformed border agent admits that there is nothing they can do, because within eu they are not checking so rigorously.

If I were a consp. theorist, I would think that the whole news spot was planned and paid for in the same way you strangely learn about reagularily before christmas and easter in some neutral publications about the miraculouseffects of black chocolate. Right then you have extensive promotions of a premium brand.

back to the original piece of news - it was a complete manual how to get here and what to do, step by step.


No, it doesn't necessarily take some group of dark manipulators, but businesses may have greatly benefited nonetheless. Just as before, bbc, discovery and broadsheets all over the place told in detail about shrooms and about iboga and aya trips to Latin America and Holland.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: northsidepk on March 30, 2012, 03:12 pm
They can shut down a server tho


Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: White Light on March 30, 2012, 03:44 pm
You can see she ordered heroin from Noriega, 72% purity after they tested it.

Good news about quality, isn't it ?! I would be pleased if they could go on and test the purity of other products !!!

WL
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: High Friend on March 30, 2012, 04:57 pm
They can shut down a server tho

Wow... how insightful... The FBI has known about SR for quite a while. Don't you think if it was as simple as shutting down a server they would have done that by now? The SR servers are hidden behind a series of TOR relays. Therefore, the only people that know the location are the people that run them. I'm sorry if I sound like a dick but I would think someone with 256 posts would know a little bit more about SR than that...
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: northsidepk on March 30, 2012, 05:11 pm
I'm aware of all of what you just said, and considering the political influence of the U.S. it is still just as possible to have those servers shut down.

Which in an indirect fashion proves the theory that SR just isn't a big enough fish for the DEA to put the resources necessary to shut down.

Of course SR is also just one bad media exposure away from being a "big" enough problem.

As for all of the technical angle, who do you think invented all that stuff?

Internet and computers, GPS, microprocessors etc...

I'm sure that if the Fed wanted SR down it would happen.

Its just a matter of priority, why take SR down, why spend the money, the time, the man hours, the international communication and influence it would take to locate the servers, then if you locate them your committed to prosecution, more money,more man hours, more time spent looking up low level buyers and dealers.....

SR can be found.....were just not important enough. Lets keep it that way.

BTW there are only 3 countries in the world with direct connections to the pacific submarine fiber optic cable, and to the CFX-1 submarine fiber optic that goes under the Atlantic, 1 of those countries has 4 redundant connections to both and optic cables Arcos and Maya to U.S. and Mexico/Caribbean, plus the hosting companies in that country advertise discretion.

Anyone with common sense and google knows where these servers are. 

Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: perky on March 30, 2012, 05:16 pm
to bad the articles are written in Egyptian hieroglyphics   
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: OldGuard on March 30, 2012, 05:34 pm
I'm aware of all of what you just said, and considering the political influence of the U.S. it is still just as possible to have those servers shut down.

Which in an indirect fashion proves the theory that SR just isn't a big enough fish for the DEA to put the resources necessary to shut down.

Of course SR is also just one bad media exposure away from being a "big" enough problem.

As for all of the technical angle, who do you think invented all that stuff?

Internet and computers, GPS, microprocessors etc...

I'm sure that if the Fed wanted SR down it would happen.

Its just a matter of priority, why take SR down, why spend the money, the time, the man hours, the international communication and influence it would take to locate the servers, then if you locate them your committed to prosecution, more money,more man hours, more time spent looking up low level buyers and dealers.....

SR can be found.....were just not important enough. Lets keep it that way.

Regardless of what people think they are many countries where the political influence of the US means nothing and there is no treaty between the US and those countries. No treaty means any servers in those countries are off limits to them and there is not alot they can do about, I know a few sites that are based on servers like that so I would bet SR is there as well which means they cannot be touched by any of the governments that would like to shut SR down.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Delta11 on March 30, 2012, 05:41 pm
Anything the government does costs money, money they don't have. You really think they're going to spend money/manpower to try and shutdown SR? It wouldn't even be worth trying and they know it, I mean look at the cartels, they're decapitating people in public and calling out the government and no one does anything for a reason.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: northsidepk on March 30, 2012, 05:56 pm
I'm aware of all of what you just said, and considering the political influence of the U.S. it is still just as possible to have those servers shut down.

Which in an indirect fashion proves the theory that SR just isn't a big enough fish for the DEA to put the resources necessary to shut down.

Of course SR is also just one bad media exposure away from being a "big" enough problem.

As for all of the technical angle, who do you think invented all that stuff?

Internet and computers, GPS, microprocessors etc...

I'm sure that if the Fed wanted SR down it would happen.

Its just a matter of priority, why take SR down, why spend the money, the time, the man hours, the international communication and influence it would take to locate the servers, then if you locate them your committed to prosecution, more money,more man hours, more time spent looking up low level buyers and dealers.....

SR can be found.....were just not important enough. Lets keep it that way.

Regardless of what people think they are many countries where the political influence of the US means nothing and there is no treaty between the US and those countries. No treaty means any servers in those countries are off limits to them and there is not alot they can do about, I know a few sites that are based on servers like that so I would bet SR is there as well which means they cannot be touched by any of the governments that would like to shut SR down.

Your taking for granted that the U.S. plays by the rules.

For which there is ample evidence they do not
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: chronicpain on March 30, 2012, 06:48 pm
Not to be a paranoid type. but the US Government is spending billions out in the Utah dessert to build a  massive building that will intercept ALL internet communication, tv, radio, etc. The building will spend 40 million dollars a year just on cooling the computers. They also claim that they will be able to decrypt any and all messages/communication. (I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one).. I cant remember where i read it, maybe it was here somewhere, but i did follow it to a link to a regular article...(doesn't mean its true)

Im sure most of it is propaganda, but still makes you wonder what type of capabilites they have.. that's for sure...

Whats the polish gov going to do? they dont have the real address of the H dealer, im sure, just the zipcode, i guarantee this will go nowhere...
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: dr34dl0ck on March 30, 2012, 06:51 pm
Not to be a paranoid type. but the US Government is spending billions out in the Utah dessert to build a  massive building that will intercept ALL internet communication, tv, radio, etc. The building will spend 40 million dollars a year just on cooling the computers. They also claim that they will be able to decrypt any and all messages/communication. (I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one).. I cant remember where i read it, maybe it was here somewhere, but i did follow it to a link to a regular article...(doesn't mean its true)

Im sure most of it is propaganda, but still makes you wonder what type of capabilites they have.. that's for sure...

Whats the polish gov going to do? they dont have the real address of the H dealer, im sure, just the zipcode, i guarantee this will go nowhere...

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: dr34dl0ck on March 30, 2012, 06:53 pm
Your going to have to shut off the internet to keep online black markets from happening. Use heavily encrypted passwords always! 25 characters at LEAST!
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: northsidepk on March 30, 2012, 07:00 pm
The U.S. had Stealth technology 35 years before it was public knowledge

Who knows what they have now????
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: SouthSquareBiz on March 30, 2012, 07:17 pm
Careful, we all should be. Take it from some one who has SR experience in real life, if you use common sense, and bodies do not show up, you can get high or supply people with their high whenever, however, and wherever you want.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: toden on March 30, 2012, 07:30 pm

Whats the polish gov going to do? they dont have the real address of the H dealer, im sure, just the zipcode, i guarantee this will go nowhere...

They will do nothing.. they don't have resources to do anything.. or knowledge.. But they needed to say something , they couldn't said "we dont know.. we cant do nothing about it"
Anyway i forgot to add very fuynny thing about that woman who wrote this article, she wrote :

"From that envelope ( 0.5 grams of heroin)  diler could do 40-70 dozes of heroin which blackmarket value is even 4000 polish zlotych (1300 dollars) " 
LOL.. no comments..
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: lefthandspinner on March 30, 2012, 07:57 pm
it wouldnt be a newspaper article without crazy price estimations or amounts there writing it for media controlled drones who no nothing about drugs so can write any shit it dont matter.and they love to write drugs are getting cheaper
ive done noris h and its good but there on about no3 stuff and i very much doubt its 72% thats unreal for no3 youd be lucky to get no3 at that % in afghan/pak
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: aliasx on March 30, 2012, 08:30 pm
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this. Imagine the shitstorm if "Your children could be ordering heroin on the internet!" was plastered all over fox news.

I totally imagine this exact scenario all the time when I think about Silk Road getting attention from the media.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Buster39 on March 30, 2012, 08:38 pm
I hate fucking news people with a passion. Thats all they do is be little bitches for ratings, they would sell out there fucking grandma for using silkroad if it was good ratings. I can see it now "Grandma ordering drugs, GETTING HIGH" tonight on new channel 23. Your right they wouldn't order weed or xanax no they go for Heroin, what about the children there all going to be junkies.

I hate the news around here with their local investigations into the guy who didn't pay taxes or who owns a strip club that gives lap dances. The journalist talks so condescending to these people just cause they know if they do anything they have the cops. There always little fucking bitches with their nose in everything.


We should fight back. We know their news station everyone should take a little bit of their drugs and mail it to em non vacuum bagged. What does losing 1 bud hurt or 1 xanax or just rubbing your nuts on. Ill send em a fucking a turd with a xanax in the middle of it.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on March 30, 2012, 10:12 pm
Journalists trying to score points with the mainstream anti drug hype. Same people are using drugs just as much as anyone else and they damage society by supporting outdated ideas at the request of old doddering media tycoon and slimy politicians.

Some journalists would not touch such a story but many journalists are just paid to use their intelligence to manipulate public opinion. Its not working though. In the UK almost anyone under 50 agrees that heroin ought to be legalized. In my town the heroin is sold by guys who are so obviously making money. The journalists miss out that because its easy to sit in an office and order a half gram of heroin. They likely ordered an 8 ball of coke to write up the article also. Many of the anti drug propaganda is written or designed by people high on drugs. The advertising world is awash with coke and other drugs.

Maybe journalists can do a story on themselves in future and not force us all to buy the usual gear which is dangerously cut and likely to kill the average addict injecting before they are 50.

As for the half gram of heroin being enough to literally kill off half of Poland - lol.

Maybe the child porn sites are FAR more dangerous than a site which offers heroin.

Heroin hurts those who use it - we all know that - but consider the users who work hard and pay for the gear and if using a decent batch the health is not affected too badly. Heroin is one of the most benign drugs actually. If we are talking pure gear then its medical fact that its fairly harmless. You could use pure heroin all your life and look in good shape. Using the street gear is the killer. Inject that a few thousand times and damage will be done. In my area I know people with no legs. Street gear. The same gear that has been sold under the noses of cops for 30 years in the UK. The same gear that fills the prisons.

Tobacco is far worse than heroin. But lets not let facts get in the way of a sensationalist story.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Ktpp on March 30, 2012, 11:01 pm
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In the UK almost anyone under 50 agrees that heroin ought to be legalized.

No they don't. I live in the UK and that just isn't true.

I'd say that most people under the age of 50 agree that drugs like weed and magic mushrooms should be decriminalized and potentially legalised, but most people are still very afraid of heroin. I speak to people about stuff like this all the time and most people are very apprehensive about the class As.

Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: mdmamail on March 30, 2012, 11:05 pm
Pretty good advertising for Noreiga, 72% purity is not bad for heroin you typically get absolute shit on the street
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on March 30, 2012, 11:34 pm
I hate to be a downer, because I know we all are loving Silk Road, almost as if it's our wildest dreams come true, but I'm afraid that it is inevitable that word will spread and the media, probably in the US, will create mass hysteria and draw too much attention to what's going on, ending SR as we know it.

SR may not be permanently shut down after this event that I predict will happen, but it won't be the same. This journalist story is just the beginning. I think the US media is too busy covering the upcoming presidential election, but I could definitely see a report in the near future. Chris Hansen comes to mind as someone that would buy some Heroin.

What we can do to ensure that this is around as long as humanely possible, is to be extremely careful regarding purchases and shipments that we make, the way we conduct business, and who we tell about Silk Road. The first two are easy, even an idiot knows certain things that should be done, like not leaving a paper trail or a messy place with paraphenalia and stash everywhere for the cops to find, leaving your computer on for someone to see Silk Road pulled up with Heroin and Cocaine being advertised. But the issue about who we should and should not tell about the Silk Road is a different story.

My opinion on who we can tell about Silk Road? Nobody. Not your best friend, not your wife, not your girlfriend, not some guy who you are arguing with regarding the fallacy of drug laws...absolutely nobody. I found Silk Road on my own from a whim and a prayer, and I had no idea if it was even for real until I spent my first $500. I was prepared to lose it just to see if this whole thing was real or not. If I had to find it myself and go through the process of figuring out that it was legitimate and how the process works, so can everybody else. Don't let anyone know where you are getting your stash from, and really don't sell or give any away to anyone else, because loose lips, people that can't handle their shit, etc., tend to fuck things up.

What I think is going to happen? Some idiot seller is going to sell some kind of fake or adulterated product and kill one or a few young people, and the surviving members are going to tell their stories all over the media on how their friend got sucked into the fast life of Silk Road, etc., etc. Some bullshit laws about checking the post or something like that for illegal drugs will be enacted, and likely fail, but they will still try anyway. The govt will then make a very futile effort to try to stop the technology invloved, and that will be ridiculous as well. Who knows how it will end.

Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: againstparadigm on March 30, 2012, 11:39 pm
(I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one)..

Actually I have first hand information, for a FACT, that PGP has been broken by a US government agency
Even worse, is it was cracked way back in 2002

However along with that fact, I can tell you, that its not easy to crack even for said agency... at least of 2005 (I know nothing new past 2005)

Not to freak you out, I dont think its much to worry about in all honesty.  One problem with spying on information, is without a 'lead'.. its just TONS AND TONS AND TONS of data.. until AI is truely perfected (as in Sci-FI style, where a computer can think like a human).. its just alot of information.. ALOT of information.  Without a team of infinite monkeys to search through every last piece of information.. its actually pretty useless.  Unless they are trying to focus on ONE persons communication. ... even then you've still got this needle haystack problem.

However I have been telling people for years that PGP is not nearly as fool proof as they think it is.. only because I know for a fact, its broken.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: phubaiblues on March 30, 2012, 11:50 pm
It's hard to say.  That Wired article mentioned earlier shows the capabilities they have, and I doubt seriously that if they *really* wanted to throw a lot of juice our way, that they couldn't bring this place down.  I try not to get cocky or underestimate the various governments, and as I'd posted in another thread asking for people's ages, and another asking where we were, and just seems like a good idea not to presume they aren't looking to build some profiles on buyers, and even better, on sellers.  I'm not paranoid: I doubt any serious paranoid would come near this site.

But it's important to just use reasonable precautions, and always operate under assumption that LE monitors us to some degree or another.  Only time will tell...The Poles are just doing the same thing the yanks did when those senators saw the articles and got all riled up.  Probably all countries will do it, once or twice, same as U.S., then move on to other things.

I've actually talked to a criminal attorney about this, and suggest others that have money/time/interest do the same.  Gets into some interesting facets of federal vs. state law as california marijuana growers well know...Knowing something and 'proving something beyond a reasonable doubt' are two very different things....Have Fun but Be Prepared  ... 
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Ktpp on March 31, 2012, 12:02 am
Anyone that says that LE would not try to bring down SR or that its off their radar is a FUCKING IRRESPONSIBLE MORON.

Really, that might be true right now. But what world do you live in? This is the world of sensationalism. Of media frenzy.

ALL it would take. And I mean literally, all it would fucking take is one kid ODing or one kid buying a gun off the armory and shooting up his school and it is very likely that they will be gunning to bring the darknet down.

It doesn't matter if there are bigger organized criminal gangs out there. It doesn't matter if SR is mostly for people buying personal amounts. It doesn't matter that there are bigger players in the drug world to catch.

We are talking about the irrational and nonsensical police agencies and governments of the world here.. These are the same people that shut down MEDICAL MARIJUANA CLINICS.. For fucks sake, people with actual recommendations from medical professionals..  their clinics were shut down. It'd seem like they'd be off the radar too wouldn't it.. that the resources used to shut them down wouldn't be worth it..?

So to suggest that we are somehow invincible or below the radar is frankly idiotic.

The only way, the ONLY way that SR will stand the test of time is if everyone here is VERY paranoid about law enforcement. We have to ALWAYS assume that we are under surveillance. I mean, for fucks sake have some foresight. You think because nothing has gone wrong so far it will never happen? Anything can happen in this world. Law enforcement are NOT rational, not at all, not in any sense of the word. It does not mean SHIT that most of the sales on here are for personal amounts.

If the public/media got behind shutting SR down, you'd be a fucking clown to think they wouldn't try.

So for example I think all sellers should wear hair nets/mouth guards/double latex gloves and never touch any of their envelopes with their hands or even breath on them. They should be stored in double sealed plastic bags and only exposed to air when the product is being placed in them, and then should be stored again in plastic bags until they are posted. I think anything less than this is running some serious risks.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: USdirectforyou on March 31, 2012, 01:01 am
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this. Imagine the shitstorm if "Your children could be ordering heroin on the internet!" was plastered all over fox news. It is strange to me that a story on SR has yet to be ran in the US, surely the major news organizations know about it. It's on wikipedia for fuck sake. I assume they haven't run the story because LE fears that it will make more people flock here?

Also I love how predictable the media is with their scare tactics. Of course they didn't order MJ, of course they didn't order shrooms, and of course they didn't order any nootropics or any of the cheaper prescription medication for sale here that could potentially help countless people. No. They went straight for the heroin so they could paint us in the most negative light possible. Truly a pathetic move if you ask me.

Dude the US media has but out stories about this already. From the start of SR. It's nothing new to the US media or LEO about SR. I even think it was on cnn if I'm not mistaken
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: cacoethes on March 31, 2012, 01:20 am
(I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one)..

Actually I have first hand information, for a FACT, that PGP has been broken by a US government agency
Even worse, is it was cracked way back in 2002

However I have been telling people for years that PGP is not nearly as fool proof as they think it is.. only because I know for a fact, its broken.

Interesting.  Have you a source, or is it classified?
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Ktpp on March 31, 2012, 01:34 am
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this. Imagine the shitstorm if "Your children could be ordering heroin on the internet!" was plastered all over fox news. It is strange to me that a story on SR has yet to be ran in the US, surely the major news organizations know about it. It's on wikipedia for fuck sake. I assume they haven't run the story because LE fears that it will make more people flock here?

Also I love how predictable the media is with their scare tactics. Of course they didn't order MJ, of course they didn't order shrooms, and of course they didn't order any nootropics or any of the cheaper prescription medication for sale here that could potentially help countless people. No. They went straight for the heroin so they could paint us in the most negative light possible. Truly a pathetic move if you ask me.

Dude the US media has but out stories about this already. From the start of SR. It's nothing new to the US media or LEO about SR. I even think it was on cnn if I'm not mistaken

True but so far noone has died.

Just wait for the day some 18 year old ODs on heroin and they find out it was from silk road.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: ThisOneGuy on March 31, 2012, 01:39 am
I would assume from my limited understanding of cryptology it isn't that they don't know how it is that there aren't enough resources.  I mean I am sure whatever method of cracking pgp encryption they have takes massive computing power and a long time.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: phubaiblues on March 31, 2012, 02:33 am
The hard thing is just to keep at it, u know, with whatever protection you find necessary, from putting address in PGP (which I never figured provided all that much protection anyway, to using TAILS  https://tails.boum.org/about/index.en.html and a different notebook flash drive  and go somewhere I don't live, to do sales and all (separately).  Not to get all bogged down in it right now, but any newbies, please read thru the 'Security' forums as in the first few months and onward, there was a whole lot posted on how to protect your pc and you from intruders and spies...a few hrs could save your freedom, and start a thread if you have questions.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: againstparadigm on March 31, 2012, 03:45 am
(I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one)..

Actually I have first hand information, for a FACT, that PGP has been broken by a US government agency
Even worse, is it was cracked way back in 2002

However I have been telling people for years that PGP is not nearly as fool proof as they think it is.. only because I know for a fact, its broken.

Interesting.  Have you a source, or is it classified?

Well I have no documents to prove this... I just at at one point in my life had access to certain TS classified information.  Nothing too interesting or things most people dont already know.. However the fact about PGP being cracked by the government is one of the few things people actually dont know about.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: mdmamail on March 31, 2012, 04:27 am
GPG, aka GnuPG has *never been cracked*.
Maybe PGP, because it was widely suspected Zimmerman capitulated during the crypto wars to the government to be able to sell his product. All corporate closed source PGP should not be trusted either.

GnuPG, no. Never. Impossible. Only if you use terrible implementation, meaning an easily brute forced password, or the agencies can seize your system and recover the key. Otherwise it's never happening, not in our lifetime. The world's GPU clusters and supercomputers can't break AES, Twofish, Serpent or GPG. They don't need to, because most people don't use sufficient entropy in their passwords and use bad implementation.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: h3n on March 31, 2012, 05:10 am
GnuPG, no. Never. Impossible.

I think you're most likely right that there's no real break, but it's too strong to say "never" or "impossible". All that needs to happen is for someone somewhere to realize that some math operation isn't as hard as most people think it is. I like to think that the best cryptographers are on our side, but this isn't necessarily true. Or maybe it is true, but maybe the government has cryptographers that are, say, 80% as good, but they have hundreds of billions of dollars to put into number theory research and custom microprocessors. It's scary.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kwiktrip on March 31, 2012, 06:51 am
I bet you the reason they dont shut down silk road, is cuz silk road is really run by some black op government organization.
They couldn't  control all the drugs, so they figured out a way to tax the drug trade, at least in a individual user sense.
a few percentage points on everything that goes on here, probably adds up to a lot over a period of time.
All the bit coins they get from this site probably gets funneled and laundered in some crazy way, that I can't even begin to imagine.
what do you think? I mean, I haven't heard any BIG news stories, or super big busts. Not to say that it can't or won't happen. But this is
one of the only reason I can think of why they haven't done so. With all the DEA and government resources. It's certainly possible for them to
make a Big Dent. Of course another reason is cuz they are busy busting multi ton shipments of drugs that all of us on here are just peanuts.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Ktpp on March 31, 2012, 01:39 pm
I bet you the reason they dont shut down silk road, is cuz silk road is really run by some black op government organization.
They couldn't  control all the drugs, so they figured out a way to tax the drug trade, at least in a individual user sense.
a few percentage points on everything that goes on here, probably adds up to a lot over a period of time.
All the bit coins they get from this site probably gets funneled and laundered in some crazy way, that I can't even begin to imagine.
what do you think? I mean, I haven't heard any BIG news stories, or super big busts. Not to say that it can't or won't happen. But this is
one of the only reason I can think of why they haven't done so. With all the DEA and government resources. It's certainly possible for them to
make a Big Dent. Of course another reason is cuz they are busy busting multi ton shipments of drugs that all of us on here are just peanuts.

No, actually I bet that Tupac and Michael Jackson are running Silk Road from Area 51, because Paul Mccartneys twin was seen near the world trade centre on 9/11 after he created AIDS and they had to start protecting people by selling drugs, because the reptilians from the star system draco would be able to drink our blood unless it contained psychoactive chemicals that are poisonous to them. That's why Biggie does chemtrails over LA to stop the merovingian bloodlines from feeding on us so we survive to buy more copies of Life After Death, which he made whilst working as a set designer for the moon landings.

Of course another reason is that people sell drugs, and also have the internet.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kmfkewm on March 31, 2012, 02:35 pm
(I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one)..

Actually I have first hand information, for a FACT, that PGP has been broken by a US government agency
Even worse, is it was cracked way back in 2002

However along with that fact, I can tell you, that its not easy to crack even for said agency... at least of 2005 (I know nothing new past 2005)

Not to freak you out, I dont think its much to worry about in all honesty.  One problem with spying on information, is without a 'lead'.. its just TONS AND TONS AND TONS of data.. until AI is truely perfected (as in Sci-FI style, where a computer can think like a human).. its just alot of information.. ALOT of information.  Without a team of infinite monkeys to search through every last piece of information.. its actually pretty useless.  Unless they are trying to focus on ONE persons communication. ... even then you've still got this needle haystack problem.

However I have been telling people for years that PGP is not nearly as fool proof as they think it is.. only because I know for a fact, its broken.

Which PGP algorithms have been broken (after all PGP is just a suite of algorithms, it can't really be broken)? RSA? ELG? DSA? 3DES? CAST5? BLOWFISH? AES(128? 192? 256?)? TWOFISH? CAMELLIA(128? 192? 256?)? MD5? SHA1? RIPEMD160? SHA(256? 384? 512? 224?) For that matter what about the key sizes of the asymmetric algorithms? Anyway I just humor you I already know you are just trolling because you seem to think that PGP is in itself an encryption algorithm lol.

Was there a mathematic breakthrough in factoring large composite numbers into primes? Are all of the non-government cryptographers from academia in on the conspiracy? Why have you not sold this information to foreign governments, that is some pretty valuable intelligence!

Bruce Schneier said he doesn't think NSA can pwn strong crypto in response to that wired article. He thinks they can hack into computers and steal keys. He thinks they can do timing analysis and other fancy attacks to steal plaintexts and keys. Implementation is a lot more than using a good password. It is really something that must be done correctly by the person who makes the software. There are a lot of ways that implementation can be fucked up, for example in a streaming encryption program maybe it takes longer for the CPU to do one type of operation involved than another, and by measuring timing characteristics of input/output the attacker can slowly or quickly gain bits of the key (because the person who implemented it didn't make sure to use constant rate operation time set at the maximum time any of the operations could potentially take). Pseudo random number generators have a pretty established history of frequently being poorly implemented, and if your PRNG doesn't really randomly pick a number from a range it will potentially greatly reduce your keyspace (for example one PRNG always generated numbers from certain planes instead of even distribution through out the entire range, when represented in a certain dimensional space, I really don't know math well enough to talk about this though....). Also PRNGs need a random seed and entropy accumulation is not a perfected art. There are a lot of ways that encryption systems can be compromised, but the actual algorithms being compromised is pretty much the *least likely* way for modern strong encryption algorithms to be pwnt.

I talk with a few cryptographers on occasion. One of them did speculate that it is possible that some previously published attack on AES-128 was implemented by the NSA (talking about the same wired article) and that they may be able to compromise *some* things encrypted with it. I really don't know enough about crypto to even relay the highly technical things he was saying on without fucking it up, but I am pretty sure a less than ideal PRNG was a prerequisite to the attack. Bruce also said that he wouldn't be totally blown away if he found out that NSA has enough classical computing power to brute force 1,024 bit RSA keys, but he said he leans towards side channel attacks.

So in short, it still seems as unlikely as ever that NSA can directly break strong encryption algorithms, and in the worst case scenario they might be able to break a small amount of ciphertexts encrypted with AES-128 under certain circumstances, and they might be able to brute force RSA-1,024 when they want to bad enough to focus their resources on it. I guess it is possible that they made a quantum computing breakthrough, but none of the professionals seem to think this is very likely.

GPG works like this. First a PRNG is seeded with randomness and used to generate a random string. I am not sure how its entropy accumulation works but it probably hooks into the OS entropy pool cryptgenrandom on windows and /dev/urandom on unix, which are always gathering entropy from events like you moving your mouse and typing on your keyboard etc. The output from the seeded PRNG is then hashed to create a session key. Your message to whoever is then encrypted with a symmetric algorithm using the previously generated hash as the key to decrypt it, and also a randomly generated initialization vector which is used to initiate cipher block chaining mode (CBC mode) (without an IV the word "dog" will always encrypt to the same ciphertext....not good...especially since if you have an image that is black and white the black and white pixels will all encrypt into the same respective ciphertexts !..look up ECB mode....)  . The session key is then asymmetrically encrypted with whoevers public asymmetric key. The final message is then base64 encoded to make it into text that can be worked with (ie: sent through email). Then when whoever gets the block, they base64 decode it, use their passphrase as a key to decrypt their symmetrically encrypted private asymmetric key, use the private asymmetric key to decrypt the session key and then use the session key to decrypt the symmetrically encrypted message.

All that said, I could really not give a fuck less if NSA can pwn strong encryption. NSA doesn't share information with federal police except in matters of terrorism and espionage, and even then they rarely do and it seems only with FBI. Since I am not a major international terrorist, am not safe guarding foreign military secrets and am not commiting espionage against the USA or its allies, I can be pretty confident that NSA will never target me and will never share the dragnet intelligence they have gathered on me with any of my adversaries.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: That 1 Dude on March 31, 2012, 06:27 pm
for fucks sake have some foresight. You think because nothing has gone wrong so far it will never happen? Anything can happen in this world.

So ture. I try to maintain a VERY well hidden stash. I like to think I'm almost always "raid-proof". It is waaaay to easy to get sloppy. One slip up can start an investigation. So please, GUARD YOUR GARBO! Ive known many who have thrown away stems or baggies w/ residue and later seen it used as evidence. If you draw enough attention they will get in your trash as it is public once it hits the curb.

Im not tech smart enough to be confident in my safety against the govt's computer tracking and code cracking capabilities, But I can ensure that I will not give local LE an easy target.


And YES, the media will have its proverbial "field day" with this.
The headlines are to big. And as we all feel its too good to be true, the closed minds will surely find it too bad to be true. I hope to see many changes and updates to constantly stay steps ahead. Before they start cracking PGP.. invent GPG (great protection gadget or some shit lol idk). A montly addy change that is messaged to all accounts prior to the change? Anything to divert reporters and LE from finding us, but then there is the catch 22 of new possible buyers and sellers.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Joserodrigo on March 31, 2012, 07:03 pm
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this.

Though I am new to the Road, I am not new to this lifestyle.  If nothing else, I have learned that nothing lasts forever.  Especially when it is a "loophole". 

Enjoy it while it lasts, I will.  And pray that we all come out intact on the other end.  That is probably the best we can hope for, at least until something major happens in the world and changes the LE/drug attitude/paradigm that we suffer through, today.

It's nice to see that I'm not alone in any case!

Peace...
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: ProfADaemon on March 31, 2012, 07:15 pm
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this. Imagine the shitstorm if "Your children could be ordering heroin on the internet!" was plastered all over fox news. It is strange to me that a story on SR has yet to be ran in the US, surely the major news organizations know about it. It's on wikipedia for fuck sake. I assume they haven't run the story because LE fears that it will make more people flock here?


The media did run stories on it. and a Senator demanded that the DEA shut this place down... like a year ago. Nothing was done.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: boniface1100 on March 31, 2012, 07:30 pm
How do we know that the goods came from Noriega? Certainly they dont know, so how could we know?
Cant confirm from the articles because they are not in English' but still, nothing on the packaging would betray this.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: perdu on April 01, 2012, 12:29 am
Anyone who thinks the US gov isn't interested is mistaken. SR mightn't be top priority right now but they have patience. There's a student here in the UK that hosted ads on his website for a tv rebroadcasting site, He made a few quid off it. The US has been trying to extradite him, spending many millions. They'll get him soon as he's running out of legal options. Looking at 10 years in US prison. It's a nothing case but once they want you, they get you. That megaupload guy Kim DotCom made massive money. He'll not get out for decades once they get him back in the States and these are just piss ant copyright breaches. The DEA is a worldwide organisation whose primary motive is to justify its budget and extend its global reach as part of the matrix of US imperialism. Sooner or later (and I would say right now) they will be looking very hard at SR because it is the perfect reason (in their eyes) to justify a crackdown on the net and civil liberties more broadly
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: perdu on April 01, 2012, 12:33 am
Also I bet most of the people here heard of SR from the press. I saw a report on Channel 4 news, one of the UK's biggest news shows. ! minute later, I was hitting the net  :) The main effect of that Polish report is that every dope fiend in Poland will be battering down Noriega's door trying to get some of his 72% good shit, rather than that kompot crap they have over there....
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: againstparadigm on April 01, 2012, 12:37 am
I wasnt trolling.  I am not here to troll.  I just found the discussion interesting.

And yes, I didnt specify much information, and I am well aware of what PGP is, and what it isnt. I wasnt speaking out of ignorance.
I have a history in Unix system administration.

Which at a point in my life I was employed as a Sys admin for certain agency (and in fact, good guess as to it being NSA, because thats who it was).

I was trying to be brief, and elusive, because I dont want people on here to be paranoid of me, but since I am speaking on a matter of principal now.  I will admit that at one time in my life I worked as a Unix system administrator for an agency under NSA.  So while I may have not been the one breaking code, or spying on communications, I kept network operations for that data.  And so, I had access to that data, and yes, had clearance for that data.

Yes.. I know what PGP is, and yes, there are different algerythems, and some are safer than others.  Also I did say that it takes alot of effort to crack things (IE brute force, in some cases).

I dont wanna come off cocky or anything, I was just trying to share part of what I know without giving too much away.
(for my own sake)..

but you know.. what the hell... lets go for it and get it out there.

NSA can break alot of aspects of PGP, but as of 2005 (the last time I worked there).. it wasnt -easy-... but if they had a pgp encrypted communication that they had reason to believe contained information viable to them. They could -usually- decrypt it.

You  have no idea what these guys are up too, what their resources are, or what they have done in the past.

I do.. and I am here to say and put it out there, if you -draw- attention to you, and give them reason.. there is pretty high likelyhood they will read your communications.

Like I said, not to make anyone paranoid because, you first have to have their attention... and I can say at least with the NSA they have no interest in whats going on here...  DEA FBI, sure... but they dont have the same capabilities as NSA or CIA.. and to say NSA doesnt share with other agencies, is purely outrageious ... THEY DO..   Mostly CIA/NSA do share. because they are in the same business SPYING and Communications.  and while Im at it, Ill just keep going.  NSA isnt supposed to spy on domestic communications or people, and in fact are forbiden to do so by federal law, but as of 2005 they found loop holes and were activly spying on -some- domestic communication via various court orders.

I had to sit through a lawyer telling me why it was ok, so Im not yankin anyones chain here.

I wasnt trolling at all..

and forgive me, I am a newbie here.. and I really hope I havnt hurt my reputation already, but I do like to share what -little- i do know..  sorry to cause any trouble.. but I assure yo uI wasnt trolling or ignorant.

The people who worked where I worked, were all phd mathemations and computer science majors. They spent every day all day breaking cyrpto, 

and just to put everyone at ease about me, the NSA doesnt give a flying fuck about drugs, hell I wasnt even drug tested working there, and would regularly show up at work fucked up. 
But I havnt worked there in a long time, and have since changed careers, but I do have a strong background in Networks, programing, and crypto.

after all.. who do you hire to keep people out of your networks?
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: againstparadigm on April 01, 2012, 12:53 am
sorry to continue on..
but yeah are there mathmatical breakthroughs that others dont know about?

Yes!

Do they have computer equipment that nobody else has?

oh hell yes.. Ive seen it

All these people who speculate away that the government cant do this or cant do that.. none of them have actually worked for them.. The people who have actually seen it, are pretty paranoid to leak actual direction solid information..

why?? Hell I am scared more about typing this, than I am about buying a couple of grams of MDMA thats for sure.

Why didnt I sell information?>?

ARE YOU CRAZY?

fuck no!  treason is not a fun thing to be prosecuted for.. and yeah I am scared.. I feel that I am still trying to be vague, without giving to much info about myself.  last Thing I want after working for those assholes to be busted for sharing sensative information (they dont find this to be a joke at all)

anyways.. Im just gonna stop now.. but PGP is -mostly- safe.. but it isnt as safe as others would like to think it is.  Is it safe for whats going on here? yeah pretty much unless you are already drawing attention to yourself, in which case, pgp isnt gonna save your ass.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: goofus on April 01, 2012, 01:47 am
thanks, againstparadigm for keeping us on our toes. But, mostly thanks to the clear and precise Kmfkewm for elaborating what issues are real and what is hype. Since I'm partial to coherent writing style and good spelling, Kmfkewm, continues to rate highly in my book for style/content. I hope that your drug of choice doesn't fuck up your left brain. I wonder if you did some X, your style would be more...well, empathogenic. I note that you don't suffer fools lightly. But you frequently rip them new assholes when maybe a lighter come-uppance would do.

Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: USdirectforyou on April 01, 2012, 02:13 am
My biggest fear is that the media in the US will catch on to this. Imagine the shitstorm if "Your children could be ordering heroin on the internet!" was plastered all over fox news. It is strange to me that a story on SR has yet to be ran in the US, surely the major news organizations know about it. It's on wikipedia for fuck sake. I assume they haven't run the story because LE fears that it will make more people flock here?

Also I love how predictable the media is with their scare tactics. Of course they didn't order MJ, of course they didn't order shrooms, and of course they didn't order any nootropics or any of the cheaper prescription medication for sale here that could potentially help countless people. No. They went straight for the heroin so they could paint us in the most negative light possible. Truly a pathetic move if you ask me.

Dude the US media has but out stories about this already. From the start of SR. It's nothing new to the US media or LEO about SR. I even think it was on cnn if I'm not mistaken

True but so far noone has died.

Just wait for the day some 18 year old ODs on heroin and they find out it was from silk road.

I totally aagree, but who knows if even when that happens if they have the capabilities to stop it
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 02, 2012, 03:08 am
thanks, againstparadigm for keeping us on our toes. But, mostly thanks to the clear and precise Kmfkewm for elaborating what issues are real and what is hype. Since I'm partial to coherent writing style and good spelling, Kmfkewm, continues to rate highly in my book for style/content. I hope that your drug of choice doesn't fuck up your left brain. I wonder if you did some X, your style would be more...well, empathogenic. I note that you don't suffer fools lightly. But you frequently rip them new assholes when maybe a lighter come-uppance would do.

Durrr...
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 02, 2012, 03:10 am
I bet you the reason they dont shut down silk road, is cuz silk road is really run by some black op government organization.
They couldn't  control all the drugs, so they figured out a way to tax the drug trade, at least in a individual user sense.
a few percentage points on everything that goes on here, probably adds up to a lot over a period of time.
All the bit coins they get from this site probably gets funneled and laundered in some crazy way, that I can't even begin to imagine.
what do you think? I mean, I haven't heard any BIG news stories, or super big busts. Not to say that it can't or won't happen. But this is
one of the only reason I can think of why they haven't done so. With all the DEA and government resources. It's certainly possible for them to
make a Big Dent. Of course another reason is cuz they are busy busting multi ton shipments of drugs that all of us on here are just peanuts.

No, actually I bet that Tupac and Michael Jackson are running Silk Road from Area 51, because Paul Mccartneys twin was seen near the world trade centre on 9/11 after he created AIDS and they had to start protecting people by selling drugs, because the reptilians from the star system draco would be able to drink our blood unless it contained psychoactive chemicals that are poisonous to them. That's why Biggie does chemtrails over LA to stop the merovingian bloodlines from feeding on us so we survive to buy more copies of Life After Death, which he made whilst working as a set designer for the moon landings.

Of course another reason is that people sell drugs, and also have the internet.

You forgot about Elvis Presley.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Gary Oak on April 02, 2012, 07:01 pm
Um.....am I the only one that already assumed SR was public? ??? Honestly, if there's a fucking wiki page on SR it really can't be that secretive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_%28marketplace%29

All a person even needs to do is Google 'Silk Road' and it's as easy as that. The second link is the Gawker article, and the fifth link down is a website dedicated to show people how to access SR. While these news articles may increase the market's publicity, it really won't make a noticeable difference if it's this simple in the first place. ::)

www.gwern.net/Silk%20Road
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 02, 2012, 08:40 pm
Anything the government does costs money, money they don't have. You really think they're going to spend money/manpower to try and shutdown SR? It wouldn't even be worth trying and they know it, I mean look at the cartels, they're decapitating people in public and calling out the government and no one does anything for a reason.
I think it's hilarious that you think the US government couldn't find the funds to shut down Silk Road, or at least fuck it up so that it was never the same as it was. If you really believe that you're delusional.

Comparing this to the drug cartels is an apples and oranges argument, and you should realize that. I'm not even gonna take the time to argue with it.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 02, 2012, 08:45 pm
I'm aware of all of what you just said, and considering the political influence of the U.S. it is still just as possible to have those servers shut down.

Which in an indirect fashion proves the theory that SR just isn't a big enough fish for the DEA to put the resources necessary to shut down.

Of course SR is also just one bad media exposure away from being a "big" enough problem.

As for all of the technical angle, who do you think invented all that stuff?

Internet and computers, GPS, microprocessors etc...

I'm sure that if the Fed wanted SR down it would happen.

Its just a matter of priority, why take SR down, why spend the money, the time, the man hours, the international communication and influence it would take to locate the servers, then if you locate them your committed to prosecution, more money,more man hours, more time spent looking up low level buyers and dealers.....

SR can be found.....were just not important enough. Lets keep it that way.

Regardless of what people think they are many countries where the political influence of the US means nothing and there is no treaty between the US and those countries. No treaty means any servers in those countries are off limits to them and there is not alot they can do about, I know a few sites that are based on servers like that so I would bet SR is there as well which means they cannot be touched by any of the governments that would like to shut SR down.

What you fail to realize is that shutting down the servers is not the only thing that can be done, and is probably not the first thing that will be done to disrupt the Silk Road.

All the govt has to do is put enough pressure on the Internet companies so that they will block access to the Tor network. That can be done pretty easily, actually.

The only reason they aren't doing anything about it right now is because there is no reason to. As soon as there's a reason to try to disrupt the Silk Road, it'll happen.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 02, 2012, 08:54 pm
Um.....am I the only one that already assumed SR was public? ??? Honestly, if there's a fucking wiki page on SR it really can't be that secretive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_%28marketplace%29

All a person even needs to do is Google 'Silk Road' and it's as easy as that. The second link is the Gawker article, and the fifth link down is a website dedicated to show people how to access SR. While these news articles may increase the market's publicity, it really won't make a noticeable difference if it's this simple in the first place. ::)

www.gwern.net/Silk%20Road

What do you mean "public?" It's certainly not a corporation, as the term "public" implies. I think you simply mean it's not a secret. Well, it sort of is. The media hasn't reported on it to any significant degree, and the reason I know this is because my ass just heard about it recently, and you can be damn sure I was looking for hook ups for a long time prior to hearing about it.

The fact that someone can look up "Silk Road" and get information about it is really beside the point, because you actually have to be looking for a way to buy drugs off of the Internet or have heard about the Silk Road to be looking in the first place.

But regardless of whether you feel the Silk Road is underground or not, it's our duty to keep it a secret. From everybody. Even your best friend.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: beefy on April 02, 2012, 10:24 pm
It really frustrates me that these reporters will do anything for ratings and don't care if they ruin people's lives in the process. It really is sad the stigma that is associated with H. I've actually heard a college professor admit in class that uncut heroin is one if the safest drug you can put into your body.
I also share that fear that a big US news reporter will do a story on SR and then shit will hit the fan. What if there is a wave of stories about SR. Should we blame the media for all the 14 year olds that would attract? How about the ODs that would result from attracting the people who don't respect this freedom or the substances and just want to do massive amounts of drugs. I hope SR will somehow do something to take care of itself in case this were to happen. Maybe close registrations for a while. IDK.... :(
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Hawker on April 03, 2012, 01:22 am
to me it's a real catch 22, if the media reports it but nothing happens to SR, all you have really done is advertise the site and drive folks here that never knew about it, something that I doubt they would really want to do.

I bet there are dozens of articles/stories written that never get past the editors desk for just this reason.

I sure would have been interested if I heard it on the news, i only found this place by accident.

Hawk
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: cacoethes on April 03, 2012, 01:34 am
(I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one)..

Actually I have first hand information, for a FACT, that PGP has been broken by a US government agency
Even worse, is it was cracked way back in 2002

However I have been telling people for years that PGP is not nearly as fool proof as they think it is.. only because I know for a fact, its broken.

Interesting.  Have you a source, or is it classified?

Well I have no documents to prove this... I just at at one point in my life had access to certain TS classified information.  Nothing too interesting or things most people dont already know.. However the fact about PGP being cracked by the government is one of the few things people actually dont know about.

I'm seriously intrigued...  What does it take to crack PGP in terms of raw computing power, assuming one uses a strong password?  Or is it more a matter of finesse?
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 03, 2012, 03:32 am
(I doubt they can decrypt pgp, unless they figured out that one)..

Actually I have first hand information, for a FACT, that PGP has been broken by a US government agency
Even worse, is it was cracked way back in 2002

However I have been telling people for years that PGP is not nearly as fool proof as they think it is.. only because I know for a fact, its broken.

Interesting.  Have you a source, or is it classified?

Well I have no documents to prove this... I just at at one point in my life had access to certain TS classified information.  Nothing too interesting or things most people dont already know.. However the fact about PGP being cracked by the government is one of the few things people actually dont know about.

I'm seriously intrigued...  What does it take to crack PGP in terms of raw computing power, assuming one uses a strong password?  Or is it more a matter of finesse?

Damn, you guys need to create a new thread to discuss your hacker bullshit. Nobody cares, quit trying to sound smart.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: DropGuy751 on April 03, 2012, 10:38 am
More media generally means more members! Which is good. xD
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kingprawn on April 03, 2012, 09:27 pm
SR was unmasked publicly about this time last year. Anyone who joined post-gawker article (majority of you) have publicity to thank for it. The authorities know about this - SR was used a pro-argument for passing SOPA (or ACTA maybe). Problem is if idiot low brow papers like the sun and prob this useless polish one print articles about this is might become a problem - I doubt it though cos I remember there was the same stir after the gawker article.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: kidx on April 03, 2012, 09:38 pm
SR was unmasked publicly about this time last year. Anyone who joined post-gawker article (majority of you) have publicity to thank for it. The authorities know about this - SR was used a pro-argument for passing SOPA (or ACTA maybe). Problem is if idiot low brow papers like the sun and prob this useless polish one print articles about this is might become a problem - I doubt it though cos I remember there was the same stir after the gawker article.

I don't remember any sort of stir at all. But, I guess if you're comparing the article that this topic refers to, and if its the same stir, considering that this article in the sun was complete bullshit and has caused no stir at all, I guess I would agree that it is indeed the "same stir."

I don't remember anyone mentioning it in regards to SOPA at all, so I'm not sure what you're referring to there either.
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Mitanox on April 03, 2012, 11:20 pm
Noone has mentioned this in this topic yet, but isnt it great to be a journalist? If I was one I would order a few kilo of 2cb from China and if anything happens say im writing an article about it :P
Title: Re: Journalist ordered heroin , big article in polish newspaper , police involved
Post by: Gary Oak on April 04, 2012, 04:39 am
Noone has mentioned this in this topic yet, but isnt it great to be a journalist? If I was one I would order a few kilo of 2cb from China and if anything happens say im writing an article about it :P

Don't forget to make a YouTube video about this, and then write about the experience in a blog, so it can be referenced to in the Silk Road Wikipedia article.  ::)